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Time for a new series here at MLBTR called Blocked Prospects. We'll name some position players with Double A or better experience who seem to be buried on their current team's depth chart.
One such player is Cubs second baseman/center fielder Eric Patterson, who turns 25 in April. Patterson hit .297/.362/.455 in Triple A last year. Baseball America applauds his speed and surprising power, but isn't keen on his defense. Patterson is able to draw a walk, something his brother Corey never figured out. Patterson is behind Mark DeRosa, Mike Fontenot, Ronny Cedeno, Sam Fuld, and Felix Pie in the eyes of the Cubs; repeated tardiness last year didn't help.
With a .268/.332/.422 projection from Baseball Prospectus, Patterson's bat would be league average at second base or center field. He could make sense as Brian Roberts' replacement in Baltimore. He could be useful in Minnesota, where center field and second base are unsettled. Patterson could provide competition for Jose Lopez in Seattle. The Giants need any kind of position-playing talent, though their outfield is more than full. San Diego is somewhat feasible, especially since Kevin Towers and Jim Hendry often match up for deals. What kind of future do you see for Eric Patterson?
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sounds like a padres type player. speed power and OBP who is undervalued because hes blocked. like you said the padres and cubs like to trade with each other. but who would the cubs want in return?
Posted by: bkoke | February 27, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Don't see why the Twins would want this guy. Those positions are unsettled, but we're not really in a position where an average stopgap is all that helpful, and I don't see him being a key component later on.
Posted by: twinstapir | February 27, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Tim, that is some kung fu you got. Excellent idea!
Posted by: jrfukudome | February 27, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Not that the Twins don't have options (and a CF of the future), but Patterson could help them. Casilla/Harris is pretty uncertain, and maybe Gomez needs some time and/or Pridie doesnt work out. I think an average stopgap would be kind of helpful for them.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | February 27, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Id say the cubs blocked prospect is Murton, but i guess he isn't a prospect.
On espn 1000 today Bruce Levine was speculating that the best place for E-Pat may be in chicago, however on the south side not the north. I dont see it happening though, he would probably be in a deal to baltimore if that ever happens.
Posted by: baseballguy18 | February 27, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Doubt the Giants would bite. Already need to give Frandsen a shot, and adding a replica player with inferior defense at his position doesn't seem to make sense.
There is no spot in the OF for him.
Posted by: The Juice | February 27, 2008 at 11:19 PM
I agree that perhaps E-Pat has been overlooked and I think it may have to do with the stigma his brother accumulated in Chi-Town. He is certainly a decent offensive force although his defense leaves something to be desired and although his age deems him a trading chip I would hold on to him until he can prove himself in the bigs. He has definitely seen limited time in any sort of big league atmosphere and I would love for the cubs to let him compete for the starting job or bring him up on the 40 man later in the season and give him decent playing time. You can project all you want but I feel that given the opportunity this kid could turn into the next brian roberts without the negative trade consequence,
Posted by: div_ide | February 27, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Tim, I just don't see an extra win or two this year as worth particularly much. Sure, if Patterson were free, I'd take him. Somebody other than the Twins is bound to be willing to trade something of moderate quality for him, and I don't see reason for MN to do that.
Posted by: twinstapir | February 27, 2008 at 11:47 PM
I was just doing a post abour Mariners' OF Jeremy Reed over at by blog (tbcmariners.blogspot.com) and I thought that he would be a pergect candidate for this series. I guess at 26 you can't really be called a 'prospect' but Reed would definitly fit in with this idea.
Posted by: canadian_rocket17 | February 28, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Rockies ? How committed are the Rockies to moving Stewart over ? Not that Stewart would be the one coming back for Patterson . The Rockies do have a surplus of outfielders .
D-Backs ? If Hudson doesn't get an extension Patterson might be a cheap replacement ,though I'm not sure how they would match up ? Buckner ?
Both trades though would more than likely happen next winter .
Posted by: hawkeye26 | February 28, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Another thing, E-Pat has a HORRIBLE attitude. they guy gets a shot at the show and comes late? More than once? He got sent home his attitude was so bad.
Posted by: baseballguy18 | February 28, 2008 at 12:09 AM
It's hard to project Eric Patterson's future. With that being said, it is likely that his future will not involve wearing a Chicago Cub uniform. The major reason(s) being that he doesn't display the desired defensive skills as a middle infielder while lacking the power of a corner OF position. If he were to better suited as a CF, he would have to 'wow' Cub mgt. with his defensive ability to project as a long-term solution in center. Unfortunately, I don't think Cub nation could tolerate another Patterson roaming CF without exceeding the equivalent expectations by which his brother failed. Although, I have to admit, I watched him in college and was very happy that we were able to draft him where we did and I felt he was a bargain. I still do. However, from what I have read, Tony Thomas is likely to be the likely long-term solution at 2B with his speed, athleticism, and baseball fundamentals. At this point, I feel that Eric is trade bait and would benefit a team looking for his particular skill set.
Posted by: cr_hartley01 | February 28, 2008 at 12:41 AM
Another thing, I would like to respond to the dude who commented just before mine a moment ago...with all due respect, it's unfair to presume that E-Pat has a HORRIBLE attitude as a result of last years actions. From what I know based on the published reports, he stayed out partying too late and woke up late. Of course, if we were to have an opportunity to walk in his shoes, we would sell our own children to have a chance to wear a Cub uniform. It's difficult to imagine how anyone could disregard such an opportunity where most of us would, without hesitition, sell our soul to the devil to be a Cub. However, in all fairness, it is a bit aggressive to pronounce that he has a HORRIBLE attitude. If you were to say, "he's a dipshit" or "what a stupid fu*k", I'd agree with you. But to say his attitude sucks isn't fair and we all f&ck up every now and then. Although, if it were me, I would have been the first guy at the ballpark and given up beer for the rest of my life to have the chance that he has.
Posted by: cr_hartley01 | February 28, 2008 at 01:08 AM
If EPatt is considered so valuable, then the least we could do is try and turn him and murton for a pitching prospect. I think the stigma is just his last name for Cubs fans. They don't want to be dissappointed twice, so lets use him as a simple trading chip.
Posted by: Cubbiesince83 | February 28, 2008 at 07:46 AM
I have said before that The Twins need a more legit DH. They already owe us a "Player to be named" for Monroe. I would like to see the Cubs trade Murton (DH/LF role) E-Pat and the Player to be named for a prospect that the O's may want. One of those high upside guys, to go with Gallagher/Cedeno and a decent lefty for the bullpen.
Thoughts?
Posted by: Bleacher_Buddha | February 28, 2008 at 07:55 AM
Hartley:
Don't take offense to the conclusion that Patterson has a horrible attitude, it is true. Not just because he was late a lot. His tardiness is indicative of his bigger problem, he won't change for anybody. In college he was a strict pull hitter who, despite his smaller size and lack of pure power, continually swung for the fences. This is problematic because a warning track fly-out makes ZERO use of his great speed. At Ga. Tech and in the Minors with the Cubs, coaches have continually tried to chagne his approach, but he refuses to change it. Who does he think he is?
Remember how Jacque Jones loved to ground out to 2B 2 or 3 times a game? Well get ready for E-Patt to do that, but not be able to go the other way occasionally. Unfortunately he is a 4OF at best, simply because refuses to change his game to the advatnage of his speed. Sounds a lot liek hsi brother really, who refused to legitimately try to be a lead off hitter.
Posted by: skkrman7482 | February 28, 2008 at 07:59 AM
"Id say the cubs blocked prospect is Murton, but i guess he isn't a prospect."
No, Murton is not a prospect. You are right though, he is blocked. As is guys like Marshall and Cedeno who are not prospects either but we don't know their true valuse good or bad because they are blocked. We have seen some flashes with these guys and some failures, too. With Patterson, he needs to be moved to another club this year so he can get a chance.
Posted by: studio179 | February 28, 2008 at 08:32 AM
As an average hitter at second base and poor fielder, he's not really a good stopgap, which is why a rebuilding team like the Twins or the Orioles should not want him. If you're trying to bring young pitchers along, you could stomach a good fielding, poor hitting middle infield stopgap, but not the reverse. And he wouldn't even be a good hitter. Center field is somewhat the same, though I know E.Patterson doesn't project as a poor fielder there. Still, you'd rather have a good fielder, for similar reasons to why you'd want a good fielder at second. And all reports I've read do suggest a HORRIBLE attitude. So, why bother, except if he's free?
Posted by: Playwright | February 28, 2008 at 08:40 AM
While Eric Patterson has made mistakes, he shouldn't be lumped with Corey. Corey was a loner in the clubhouse and dugout, Eric is not. Eric will take a walk. Corey won't. Eric was the first position player to report this spring for the Cubs. He has been in early to take extra fielding practice everyday. That sounds to me like someone who is at least trying to learn from his mistakes. That's much more than I can say for Corey. Most of what I'm reading are simply transferring Corey's characteristics to Eric as if they were clones.
Posted by: crunchy1 | February 28, 2008 at 08:59 AM
Eric was late, that doesn't mean he has a horrible attitude. He was the 1st position player at ST this year and called a meeting with lou and hendry, and told him he has learned from last year and he is ready to compete.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | February 28, 2008 at 09:19 AM
That's great if he's adjusted his attitude. He's young. I still question his value as a poor-fielding second baseman and a passable-fielding centerfielder with average offensive value. How much is that worth?
Posted by: Playwright | February 28, 2008 at 09:36 AM
Depends on his offensive output. I think he would be league average at worst, but he has hit at every level he has been at. He sounds a lot like Alfonso Soriano at his age...but he will never have that much power. He is faster though...really fast. I'd say if he realizes his potential, he would be a average defensive 2nd basement that put up a line of
.310/.370/.450 or so...and would be a terriffic lead off hitter.
A lot depends on him getting average defensively though, that would do a lot for his value.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | February 28, 2008 at 09:46 AM
And before I get jumped on for comparing him to Soriano, I'm just saying at their ages. He isn't going to be Alfonso, but he is a bad fielding, good hitting 2nd basemen with ability to steal 50 bags in a full season. That is very similar to Alphonso...that all I'm saying.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | February 28, 2008 at 09:48 AM
I think he's a lot like his brother: good athelete, but unable to really find a position and will never quite relize his full potential. I'd look for him to be a backup OF or something.
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | February 28, 2008 at 10:19 AM
It depends on how much he hits and if he can at least become an adequate fielder. Todd Walker got a lot of starts being a below average second baseman. Patterson adds the dimension of speed along with a good bat. I'd say his value is most as part of a package deal. Straight up you can't get too much, probably another young, talented, but flawed player. It would have to be two teams trying to match needs and willing to take a flyer on guys with lots of ability - but lots of improving to do.
Posted by: crunchy1 | February 28, 2008 at 11:27 AM
I know this a is a bit of a stretch but since you mentioned Cubs, Giants & Prospects I was wondering what the Cubs fan take on Scott Moor is? With Ramirez at third and Lee at first he would seem to have a tough row to hoe in order to make the big club.
Of coarse this is all theoretical from a Giants fans point of view because out front office does not trade for prospects.
Posted by: daveinexile | February 28, 2008 at 11:55 AM
You mean the Scott Moore that was traded from the Cubs to the Orioles last year (along with others) for Steve Trachsel?
Posted by: studio179 | February 28, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Yup Studio. Which is why I don’t offer opinions here much out side of the few teams I can am more then conversant about. I also figured some of the Cubs followers would have take on him since he was in the system a few years. In just a general baseball way he interests me because he is in his third franchise to get to his cup of coffee at the bigs but he is still young. I know it a bit of topic.
Posted by: daveinexile | February 28, 2008 at 12:09 PM
My take on Scott Moore is that his upside is a .260 hitter with 20 hr power. He’s a decent athlete and a good fielder. His upside? Probably something like Steve Buechele. Same size, good defense, a decent, but not great, bat with some power.
Posted by: crunchy1 | February 28, 2008 at 12:27 PM
The Cubs signed Ramirez to 4 years in the '06 offseason and then took a 3B in Vitters with the 3rd overall pick last draft. They have Lee at first and Scott had nowhere else he could switch to as a position. Moore was going nowhere with the Cubs. Maybe he gets some playing time in Baltimore.
Posted by: studio179 | February 28, 2008 at 12:29 PM
My gosh, if Patterson were such a hot prospect would they be begging Baltimore for Roberts? Pie, Cedeno and Patterson - the Cubs would trade any of those failures for a major leaguer and a case of beer.
None of them have panned out.
To be honest, I had even forgotten that Patteridiot was banished last year cuz he couldn't show up on time....LoL....How could he be so STUPID ? Who would want him - a clubhouse cancer with marginal talent
Posted by: Jim T | February 28, 2008 at 01:38 PM
I'd like to add that I saw Lou Pinella hit in his prime with K.C. amd N.Y. If anyone ever asked me who are the top ten batters you've ever seen - Then Mr Piniella would be in there - the guy could flat out hit
But as a manager, Piniella diappoints me. He sucks up to his highest paid guys - like Siriano who has no business hitting leadoff. Piniella is a major disappointment as a manager, he's a kiss-ass to his highest paid boys.
Posted by: Jim T | February 28, 2008 at 01:54 PM
Patteridiot? Really? Wow...
Clubhouse cancer because he was late? Wow...
Posted by: Aduncaroo | February 28, 2008 at 02:13 PM
Great stuff today Tim! I especially like this new Blocked Prospects segment. Keep up the good work.
Posted by: cardsfan05 | February 28, 2008 at 03:02 PM
What kind of future do I see for Patterson?
His lousy defense at second pretty much invalidates his "league average offense" at that position (he's no Jeff Kent),
He lacks the arm to play play shortstop, third base or right field, meaning he doesn't profile as a utility guy,
His offense and arm don't make him an everyday leftfielder,
His history of arriving late in AAA and the majors speaks to a lack of maturity and focus,
All that adds up to a AAAA player who'll squeak out a few at bats over the next couple years, mostly in September, before disappearing into the ethos.
Posted by: Devlsh | February 28, 2008 at 03:43 PM
His projected offensive numbers are league average and he hasn't even played in the bigs yet! That means with maturity he woudl be putting up much better than league average numbers with a bunch of stolen bases on top. He has the potential to make up for below average defense, and time to work on that defense as well.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | March 02, 2008 at 07:17 PM
His projected offensive numbers are league average and he hasn't even played in the bigs yet! That means with maturity he woudl be putting up much better than league average numbers with a bunch of stolen bases on top. He has the potential to make up for below average defense, and time to work on that defense as well.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | March 02, 2008 at 07:18 PM