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According to John Hickey of the Seattle PI, a long-term deal for Felix Hernandez before the end of Spring Training seems possible. Hernandez won't make much above the minimum for '08, but maybe the Mariners can buy out his 2009-11 arbitration years at a discount. Hickey notes that Ms GM Bill Bavasi "detests the arbitration process."
The Padres bought out Chris Young's arb years for $13.25MM in an extension done a year ago. Around the same time, Matt Cain received about the same amount to cover his arb years (though with a club option for the third). Based on those, Felix could push for $15-17MM or so in my estimation. Thoughts?
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I would personally go year to year with him...he throws so violently, an injury could occur at any time. But if they do buy out his arbitration years...I wouldn't call that a bad thing either. I'm more surprised about Felix's comment about not caring about his contract now.
Posted by: Aron | February 29, 2008 at 02:44 PM
Due to his inconsistency and numbers I don't see 15-17 million as an option yet. I agree that going year to year is the better option however I wouldn't be surprised to see him make that kind of money with just one year of pitching to his potential.
Posted by: KCRoyals5 | February 29, 2008 at 03:13 PM
I would increase 2008s season to lower the yearly hit and make it 16MM over the next 4 seasons and then tack on two years of free agency because with all the things you say about the cons to signing him long-term, the fact is that a pitcher like him still commands $12-14MM a season at last years level and he'll only get better, so it would be very beneficial for the M's to sign Hernandez for 6 years and lower the overall average of the deal later by giving him a little extra now, otherwise they are going to have to sacrifice talent in the long run. I think you go for about $24MM/2YRS for the free agency period and it makes the deal about 40MM, but that ties him up through 28 years old and it means only paying him 6.67MM a season, which he definitely worth.
Even if he makes a couple trips to the DL, also I would like to point out that he is said to have very solid mechanics and actually has less strain on his arm than most pitchers because of his pitching motion, so it's not necessarily true that he's an injury risk. Aside from a leg injury he's been for the most part injury free, so there is nothing to warrant this concern at this point of his career.
Don't forget, he has gone through the most injury riddled part of a pitchers career relatively unscathed and as a pitcher gets older he becomes less likely to become an injury problem. Most injuries that a player has is related to some past trip to the DL. I think Felix will probably never pitch less than 25 starts in a season unless he does something unthinkable like breaking an ankle covering first or something unexpected.
Also, look what Ryan Howard got for his arbitration case and realize that 10MM may be more than Hernandez gets, but even $6-7MM in his second arbitration season would put him half way to 15MM.
Posted by: BaseballGuru | February 29, 2008 at 05:24 PM
grammar error, it should read like this for the first to second paragraph transition:
which he is definitely worth, even if he makes a couple trips to the DL.
I would like to point out...
Posted by: BaseballGuru | February 29, 2008 at 05:27 PM
It's always a good idea to lock up young pitching. I hope by this time next year the Giants will have an extension with Lincecum. If Hernandez gets $15-17MM that could be what Lincecum gets.
Posted by: kdub | February 29, 2008 at 07:30 PM
i think that signing him at least through the arb years would make good sense for everybody. cost certainty for the ms and job security for felix. they dont just give people nicknames like king for nothing. hes that good. on the comment about lincecum i would not be signing those guys if i were the giants. that ballpark inflates pitchers numbers. he is very good but he isnt the king. if i were the giants i would develop pitchers to trade and just keep developing more. i would spend money on bats, just not ones who play in a bandbox(rowand). i bet he doesnt top 20 hmers this year. its the same with the padres. their pitching isnt really that good. the ballpark makes a huge difference. peavy is great but hes not that great. also young isnt that great either.
Posted by: Joelcards | March 01, 2008 at 01:07 AM
I think the kid will be amazing. However, you pay out based on performance, not potential.
What Ryan Howard has done is in no way comparable to Felix. Howard has had epic years. Felix has had a great 1/3rd of a year, a very mediocre 2nd year, and a slightly better than LA 3rd year.
And locking up young pitching does not always work out. The Cubs had a few guys that were dominant youngsters who fell apart through injury. Ervin Santana went 28-16 through his first 2 years at the age of 23. He was AAA for most of last year.
Plenty of guys have great stuff and either get injured or don't perform at the expected level. I would definitely wait and see if Felix can put it together before I offer anything long-term.
Again, for the record, I would bet on the guy turning out to be a dominant pitcher. I just wouldn't bet $30m on it yet.
Posted by: bjsguess | March 01, 2008 at 01:28 AM
NO WAY does Bavasi "wait" until Felix has a Cy Young year! If Bavasi waited that long Felix's salary would be out of control, and by then it would be too late!
Lock him up like they did Putz last offseason. Wow, if Bavasi waited until after 2007 so sign Putz to that deal we'd be paying Putz $10-$15M/year early in his new contract.
I haven't been a big Bavasi fan, but locking up Putz/Lopez/Betancourt for the next 4-5 years was an impressive task that he accomplished early last year.
I would DEFINITELY do my best to tie up Felix for AT LEAST 6 years, if not 7! And somehow add vesting options for the 6th & 7th year.
If I were Bavasi I'd lockup Felix, prior to extending Bedard, because Bavasi's going to have to give way more to Bedard than Felix. Once Felix see's the Bedard extension, he'll probably get huge $$$ in his eyes.
I say:
1) Priority for Bavasi is to not only buyout the Felix arb years, but to extend his contract with his 3 FA years...and do vested options on the final 2 yrs; THEN
2) #2 Priority is to lockup Bedard and buy his 2009 arb year out, and extend him an additional 5-6 years...and maybe 7 yrs with vesting options too.
3) #3 Priority is to start working on a trade for someone like Jason Bay for LF, and moving Ibanez to DH to take bats away from Vidro so Vidro's 2009 option won't vest out.
"If" Bavasi pulls off #1 and #2 above, after the Bedard trade & Silva signing, I will have to say that Bavasi will be the GM of the year this year! AND "if" he can find some offense somehow with Griffey or Jason Bay, that would just be the icing on the cake for M's fans!
Posted by: DRWheelock | March 01, 2008 at 02:37 AM