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Marc Topkin of the St. Petersburg Times has the latest on the Rays' moves today. The first two were expected.
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I bet Crawford can't wait to bolt out of Tampa. He needs to start throwing bats at umps and hope to get traded soon.
Posted by: la16 | April 01, 2008 at 02:09 PM
That new contract for Wheeler is nonsense. I bet you would get better numbers from three different relievers over the next thre years for half the money...
Posted by: SwissBaseballManiac | April 01, 2008 at 03:13 PM
Crawford is not only an excellent player, he is a class act. He would not disrespect the game in order to get traded. However, like Kazmir, I think he has had enough of the "Rays Way" and will opt for free agency as soon as he can.
Posted by: HoratioAlgae | April 01, 2008 at 03:26 PM
I don't think his comments were a direct indictment of the Rays as much as a statement that he's going to go after big bucks when he's a free agent. That probably will mean he's out of TB no matter how one slices it, but it sounded more like "I'll be making more money soon" than "I can't wait to get out of this hell-hole" to me.
Posted by: Jon B. | April 01, 2008 at 03:28 PM
Im not a huge Rays fan, but it seems like there getting better the past couple of years and making better decisions. It seems to me that over the next couple of years they are set up nice to contend. But with that said can you really see the Rays competing with the Yanks and Red Sox on a yearly basis? I wish them the best and thank god my Braves arent in the AL east.
Posted by: bennie2323 | April 01, 2008 at 03:59 PM
Do you guys really think Crawford is gonna wanna leave when his team is about to be stacked?
He'll be surrounded in the lineup by Longoria, Pena, Upton, Iwamura, Jennings, Brignac and other good players. Their rotation will likely be incredible with Kazmir, Shields, Price, Garza and either Wade Davis or Jacob McGee. The majority of those guys won't be making a ton of money, so if the Rays really want to win they'll spend that money wisely to hold onto studs like Crawford and Kazmir.
I'm surprised people still see the Rays as a cheap, crappy team. Even though they haven't spent a lot of money, it really doesnt make sense to. Why spend the money while their kids are still developing? How about spending that money in 2010 to make the team a serious contender?
Posted by: scribbletone | April 01, 2008 at 04:05 PM
Players care more about $$ than they do winning...
See Zito/Rowand for Example
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | April 01, 2008 at 04:23 PM
Only people who follow baseball know the Rays have an up and coming team. The average person in Florida could care less about the Rays.
Posted by: studio179 | April 01, 2008 at 04:25 PM
Well if Crawford can get 6/100 on the open market or 6/80 to stay with a potentially incredible Rays team, then I think he takes the 6/80. I have this feeling that Tampa may end up bringing that payroll from like the $50M it is now to closer to $75-80M at least by the end of 2010.
Posted by: scribbletone | April 01, 2008 at 04:36 PM
Is there something about Crawford that makes you think he'd leave $20MM on the table? Especially if the other offer is from a perennial contender?
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | April 01, 2008 at 04:51 PM
First off, just realize that Crawford's "statement" was actually written by a Public Relations person, that's the way it's generally done.
Second, this is no knock on either Crawford or Kazmir or any other player, but if a person is offered 25% more salary to work for a more prestigious company they usually take the offer. I know I would.
The Rays generally play in front of 9,000 people. Unless of course they are playing a popular team (ie. Yankees, Red Sox)in which case most of the "home" crowd is rooting against them. They get very little recognition compared to other teams, nationwide. On top of that the losing has got to wear on the players. Who wouldn't want to leave that situation if they could?
Posted by: HoratioAlgae | April 01, 2008 at 08:52 PM
what the hell is wrong with you bsox21..i hope you've never felt anything for jon lester for having a life threatening disease like Rocco has. Baldelli will be just fine except if mediciine continue to have no idea what the hell is wrong with him or any particular cure to it. Maybe he's faking it or maybe he wont be able to play catch with his kids by the time he's 30. So ya maybe for someone who only desires to have millions of dollars in his life in lieu of family, friends, longevity, happiness, career goals, that person shouldn't feel bad for Roccoo.
Posted by: CubFanRaysaddict | April 01, 2008 at 09:38 PM
Scribbletone, I applaud your enthusiasm for the Rays' prospects but they will not be enough to compete. Generally, if you are lucky, 1/3 of the prospects become stars, 1/3 become average MLB players for 5 yrs, and 1/3 are downright flops. Just a few years ago I heard of the great bounty of outfielders the Rays had in the minors. You may have heard of Josh Hamilton, Elijah Dukes, Rocco Baldelli, Delmon Young and BJ Upton. Out of those 5 players only Upton remains, with a #3 SP, Matt Garza, received in a trade for Young. Things happen, the best laid plans don't materialize.
Posted by: HoratioAlgae | April 01, 2008 at 09:43 PM
I agree that public statements are to be taken with a grain of salt, but there is no reason to assume Crawford is going anywhere or that the Rays will not find a way to extend him. On the contrary, every move they have made in the past two years suggest exactly the opposite.
In any case, with a full understanding that it means nothing, here is part of Crawford's statement:
“I’m very happy,” Crawford said. “I would like to thank the Rays organization and Stu Sternberg for believing in me. I’m grateful for the opportunity for this day. I’m looking forward to being here for a long time because I think we’re at the start of something great going on here. I want to do well for them and represent the team in a classy manner.”
As for Wheeler's contract, it is perfectly in line (actually quite a bit better) than contracts of middle relievers with similar careers. Despite his high ERA and terrible won-lost record last year, his BB and K rates remained very strong, especially the strikeouts. He is just 30 and entirely capable of maintaining his solid performance of previous years.
Naturally it is a risk, but at the price a good one. Certainly better than signing a Vizcaino or Hawkins or Baez or for that matter Gagne or Dotel. With the strong possibility that Percival will not last for two years and that Reyes will be gone after (or during) 2008, and with uncertainty about prospects who might close, it is a good hedge to sign Wheeler who has had some success as a closer.
As for the Rays competing, they are not relying entirely on prospects. It is true they have a stacked system, particularly strong in pitching, but they have two solid starters already in the majors, and Garza is only a #3 because the other two are so good. They also have a lineup with players who have demonstrated they can do well in the majors. Crawford, Upton, Iwamura, Pena, Bartlett et al are not prospects any longer. They are major leaguers, and good ones.
They also have shown great skill in finding spare parts elsewhere and a willingness to deal from strength to acquire important additions (like Bartlett).
Rays' fans can only hope that 1/3 of their prospects become stars and another 1/3 average. (I think that is overoptimistic.) If only 1/5 manage that, the Rays will have an historically great team.
Posted by: Bob R. | April 01, 2008 at 10:00 PM
I guess a part of it is that I just kinda have a soft spot for the Rays. No logical reason I just like them. I just really wanna see them be successful and I honestly believe that Crawford could/should be a huge part of that. Now if he leaves to come to Chicago to play center, then screw Tampa.
I also have an appreciation for teams that are willing to build up massive amounts of young talent (even if they essentially have to) and let it unfold. Nothing entertains me more than young players, so teams built around them fascinate me. I just really wanna see this team succeed.
And yeah I guess its a pretty damn valid point that if Crawford gets a 6/100 offer from Boston and 6/80 offer from Tampa that he'll be playing for the Red Sox. I just wish he wouldn't..
Posted by: scribbletone | April 01, 2008 at 10:50 PM
lol at bsox comment.
I think I'm going to use that line next time someone tells me about an illness in their family.
Posted by: wihargo | April 02, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Oops, this ended up in the wrong thread yesterday ~ but seems moot now anyway with the new post. Guess I’ll give it anyway:
“Is there something about Crawford that makes you think he'd leave $20MM on the table? Especially if the other offer is from a perennial contender?”
There wouldn’t really be an offer on the table though ~ it would all be speculative money to Crawford because it would be a contract extension prior to you being a FA or play out your time and leave. Its take 6/80 to stay with the team you came up with as they are preparing to and/or are competing, or take your chances on the FA market maybe landing yourself 6/100.
Personally, I think he will get a contract worked out if the two side talk about the real plans of the club. Its not hard to see that this team is preparing to contend, and if the FO tells Crawford that they will do what is needed when its needed; well then his angst should be eased. I mean, we are still talking 3 years of negotiating time, and a lot can happen between now and then. The team could finish in second this year to the BoSox, spend for a needed FA or two for next year and all of a sudden Crawford would be changing his tune. I thinks it’s the Johan thing ~ if we are going to compete, lets compete; but I don’t want half-way commitments or compete solely from within.
Posted by: darkstar1661 | April 03, 2008 at 02:48 PM