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The Left Fielder Market
Today let's see which left fielders may be on the trade market in the coming months. I'll limit it to players who have actually played left this year. The Indians, Mets, and Cardinals could be looking for help at the position.
- Pat Burrell, Phillies. Maybe the Phils' surging offense could spare Burrell once Jayson Werth returns from the DL. They're much more likely to hang on to Burrell though.
- Jason Bay, Pirates. The resurgent Bay (.290/.410/.541) is one of the crown jewels of the trade market. The Bucs were right to wait on trading him. Since the acquiring team gets him for a season and a half, could he draw a Teixeira-like bounty?
- Matt Holliday, Rockies. Ken Rosenthal suggested "almost certainly would consider" trading him. Jayson Stark's sources were more skeptical. Like Bay, Holliday is signed through '09.
- Adam Dunn, Reds. Dunn has a full no-trade clause until June 15th; after that he can block trades to ten teams he's specified. According to Rosenthal, Dunn strategically selected high-revenue teams for these ten. Walt Jocketty has to navigate through all that to find a team willing to give up players worth more than two draft picks in exchange for two months of Dunn.
- Raul Ibanez, Mariners. At .263/.325/.444, he's not tearing the cover off the ball. But Ibanez is a free agent after the season and the Mariners are the worst team baseball. Ibanez might maintain Type A status, and I could see Bill Bavasi holding on to him.
- Frank Catalanotto, Rangers. Fairly useful player who can also help at first base.
- Chris Duncan, Cardinals. Trading him now would be selling low.
- Jay Payton, Orioles. Doesn't have any trade value.
- Dave Roberts, Giants. Could be back in June but carries burden of $6.5MM '09 salary.
- Matt Murton, Cubs. Murton believes he has 20-30 HR potential and would seemingly welcome a trade.
- Juan Rivera, Angels. He's still buried behind Gary Matthews Jr. and Garret Anderson.
- Free agents: Barry Bonds, Kenny Lofton, Reggie Sanders.
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Even though I am a Reds fan, I have been i big Matt Murton supporter for awhile. I knows it would be an in division trade, but I would love for Walt to make a move for him, the perfect right handed OF bat we need.
Posted by: redhawk61 | May 29, 2008 at 11:14 AM
I really dont think the Cards are going to need to trade for an everyday LF. Tony is moving guys into the lineup as matchups dictate and it's working out pretty well.
What the cardinals could use is an upgrade at 2B and a better backup Catcher.
Posted by: registereduser | May 29, 2008 at 11:18 AM
I can not wait until we get rid of Payton.
Posted by: XD23 | May 29, 2008 at 11:59 AM
I could only dream that someone would be desperate enough to take Roberts off of the Giants hands. Winn could play LF too. I'd love to get rid of him too. He actually may have at least some value as opposed to Roberts who is worthless.
Posted by: tmacntn | May 29, 2008 at 12:11 PM
I really think Catalanatto could provide the most bang for the buck of an acquiring team from this group. Ibanez could also be helpful
Who would give up what it would take for Bay? Cleveland?
I can't see Burrell or Duncan being moved. Definitely not Burrell, even though he's unlikely to re-sign
Posted by: wayne gomes | May 29, 2008 at 12:21 PM
No word on Juan Pierre? Granted he probably isn't the type of guy that anyone ever says, "we need more of him on our team". Most teams have decent enough out makers already.
Posted by: dusto | May 29, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Toronto and Pittsburgh match up well for Bay. Their owner has stated in the past that he'd like to have a Canadian start on the team. They could use Bay for a playoff push as well. They have a good minor league system too.
Posted by: Newmie | May 29, 2008 at 12:41 PM
A few thoughts...
XD23- I concur
My favorite part: Matt Murton believes he has 20-30 HR potential. The guy is scouting himself?! That's friggin' hysterical.
This just in: Matt Murton is also a fan of the way he 'hustles on every play'. Said Murton, "That Murton kid can do it all. Hit, field, run... I see some All Star games in his future if someone would JUST GIVE HIM A CHANCE. PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!"
Also, it's just plain mean of Tim to suggest to Pirates fans that Bay might net a Tex-like haul. Ummm...no. Bay could bring a nice return, but I think we're talking one or two good prospects and a couple place-fillers, as opposed to four or five stud prospects. Forget the numbers, a trade is just as much a matter of perception and the perception is that Teixeira is a FAAAARRRR superior player. Again, I'm not saying that's necessarily true by the numbers, but if Bay brings back HALF of what Tex brought the Rangers, the Bucs'll be lucky.
Posted by: milehigh78 | May 29, 2008 at 12:58 PM
“No word on Juan Pierre? Granted he probably isn't the type of guy that anyone ever says, "we need more of him on our team". Most teams have decent enough out makers already.”
…with the Dodgers having signed the 2007, not 2002, Andrew Jones ~ and with said 2007 Jones now going into up his best Juan Gonzalez impersonation… Well, lets just say the Dodgers probably don’t want to trade Pierre any longer…
He was always their best choice for LF since they were stuck with him anyway (next to Kemp and Ethier of course) ~ now they are just forced to do what they should have to start…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | May 29, 2008 at 01:36 PM
2003- Bay 145 OPS+, Tex 102 OPS+
2004- Bay 132 OPS+, Tex 131 OPS+
2005- Bay 150 OPS+, Tex 144 OPS+
2006- Bay 138 OPS +, Tex 126 OPS+
2007 Bay 93 OPS+, Tex 150 OPS +
2008(rougly 200 AB each)- Bay 150 OPS+, Tex 105 OPS+
Careers- Bay 131 OPS+ (including his injury plagued 07 season), Tex 129 OPS +.
The idea Tex is so much better then Bay just is not true. Mark Teixeira might be the most overated guy in baseball right now.
Posted by: nrmax88 | May 29, 2008 at 01:37 PM
Couple of things:
1. Burrell has a full NTC, and the last time Philly tried to trade him he was only willing to go to the Yanks and Red Sox if I remember right.
2. Murton could have 20HR pop in his bat, and someone like Texas or Seattle could use him next year, if not this year. He's one of many guys that need a real shot at 500 AB's to see what he can do.
3. The Braves didn't give up 4 or 5 "stud" prospects for Tex. Matt Harrison and Beau Jones are solid proscpects, but by no means studs. Salty was the only proven guy in the deal, while Feliz and Andrus were both very young and talented, and should be very good players in the future. I suppose you could say 3 studs and two solid 'spects for Tex and Mahay. Bay won't bring that much on his own, I'd say two B+ type guys plus another player probably. He may not be Tex's equal, but he also costs a lot less next year then Tex did this year, and Bay isn't looking at a $20M asking price when he free agency like Tex is this offseason.
Posted by: gatling | May 29, 2008 at 01:37 PM
Then there is the fact that Tex has spent his whole career in a launching pad in Texas, and in the middle of a deadly lineup in Atlanta. Bay has been in a crappy lineup as the only main threat for the most of his career.
Posted by: nrmax88 | May 29, 2008 at 01:41 PM
Throw in Marte or Grabow with Bay and I think that package is better than Tex-Mahay.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | May 29, 2008 at 01:43 PM
Well, you can't use OPS+ as a measuring tool and then try and use Tex's home park against him too, because OPS+ is a park adjusted stat. I was surprised to see Bay with a better OPS+, but I did expect it to be fairly close.
Posted by: gatling | May 29, 2008 at 01:48 PM
I would agree with that Tim, but would you get more with seperate deals for Bay/Marte/Grabow(all of whom I think Pittsburgh should trade, along with Nady and LaRoche) or Bay and one LHP in a deal and then the other LHP in a seperate one? If a team needed a LHP and a LF and had a deep farm system, I could a package making sense. Otherwise, you might get more in three individual deals.
Posted by: gatling | May 29, 2008 at 01:51 PM
Yeah, I know Gatling, but Bay has pretty much always the only weapon in his lineup, where Tex has always hit in good lineups, even the Rangers teams he played on could put up runs. Tex is not a vastly superior hitter, if he is even superior at all.
Posted by: nrmax88 | May 29, 2008 at 01:52 PM
I'm not arguing with you on that point nrmax, I don't think Tex is vastly superior either. But saying the OPS+ is close then trying to knock Tex's numbers by saying his park is the reason is not being truthful. Tex plays an easier position, and plays it at a GG level, where as Bay plays solid D. You take that in to account and the fact that Tex is a year and a half younger, I can see why some people like Tex better. But at probably a difference of $5M a year in asking price, I'd prefer Bay for sure.
Posted by: gatling | May 29, 2008 at 02:02 PM
Oh absolutely. When you talk about their overall game, Tex probably has the edge. But in terms of just hitting, it is impressive too see Bay producing runs and putting up big numbers while pretty much being alone in that lineup. I was just mainly trying to point out that Bay should bring in a bounty similar to Tex's.
Posted by: nrmax88 | May 29, 2008 at 02:06 PM
"The idea Tex is so much better then Bay just is not true. Mark Teixeira might be the most overated guy in baseball right now."
...But he has such a nice smile! Doesnt that count for anything... :)
Posted by: darkstar1661 | May 29, 2008 at 02:13 PM
I think we're in agreement on this one nrmax. It's kind of funny, this is the first year that Bay really has a supporting cast around him, and he's likely gone at the deadline. And probably not because they want to move him, but because he's the one guy that will bring back a top flight SP prospect. Even with his struggles I think Snell is a solid bet to be a #2 type guy, and Gorzelanny should be a #3 type guy. Other than that though....the pitching is pretty bleak. Nady/LaRoche/Grabow/Marte are guys that need to be dealt, but they won't bring that SP in return.
Posted by: gatling | May 29, 2008 at 02:19 PM
FYI: Pat Burrell has a full no trade clause. He's not going anywhere.
Posted by: tmichalski | May 29, 2008 at 03:34 PM
I actually really feel for Murton. The cubs value him too highly to trade him away for anything reasonable, yet, value him too low to play him with any regularity.
Posted by: tmichalski | May 29, 2008 at 03:39 PM
…with the Dodgers having signed the 2007, not 2002, Andrew Jones ~ and with said 2007 Jones now going into up his best Juan Gonzalez impersonation… Well, lets just say the Dodgers probably don’t want to trade Pierre any longer…
He was always their best choice for LF since they were stuck with him anyway (next to Kemp and Ethier of course) ~ now they are just forced to do what they should have to start…
The Dodgers need a player with a 78 OPS+? A team with already weak power "needs" Juan PIerre?
Posted by: dusto | May 29, 2008 at 04:41 PM
I don't know why everyone seems to forget about the A's players. But what about Emil Brown? He's naturally a left fielder, but Bob Geren is just a dumba$$ and plays cust out there, and has Jack Hannahan leading off. But I think Brown could net the A's a couple of good prospects. He was 2nd in the league in RBI's until he cooled off a little bit. I could see him go to the Rays, Reds, Mets, and maybe the Indians. All of them have the prospects to get him, with the exception of the Mets. But I think as the trade deadline gets closer, teams might be willing to deal some of their top prospects.
Posted by: AriGoldisaG | May 29, 2008 at 07:14 PM
"I could only dream that someone would be desperate enough to take Roberts off of the Giants hands. Winn could play LF too. I'd love to get rid of him too. He actually may have at least some value as opposed to Roberts who is worthless."
A healthy Roberts is far from worthless, particularly considering the park he plays in and the Giants' need to produce runs. He and Winn are both productive players, they are just saddled with the fact that they play on a garbage team.
"The Dodgers need a player with a 78 OPS+? A team with already weak power "needs" Juan PIerre?"
They play at Dodger Stadium. They will always appear to be weak on power. Having a speed guy like Pierre helps a lot in such a park. Further, guys like Pierre are a good example of where Sabermetrics fail to establish the value of a player. Pierre's OPS will always be hurt by the fact that he will never hit many home runs, and may never hit a single one at Dodger Stadium. What he is going to do is make contact (he has one of the best K rates in the history of the game) and bring unique speed. Further, he has significantly upped the number of pitches he takes and his walk totals have been aided. Further, he is able to get to just about any ball and makes smart decisions in the outfield to minimize the impact of his pea shooter arm.
Posted by: AA | May 29, 2008 at 07:29 PM
“The Dodgers need a player with a 78 OPS+? A team with already weak power "needs" Juan PIerre?”
Man some people are just flat out stupid…
First, who the F* said “needs” ~ I said “since they were stuck with him anyway”… But ok smartguy, we’ll ignore that for a moment and instead you can answer this one ~ who do the Dodgers play in the OF if they did manage to trade Pierre? Oh, and keep in mind that Jones is now out atleast 1-2 months after knee surgery…
...But hey, maybe youre right ~ the team would be much better off having only 2 OFers to fill the 3 spots because Pierre just isnt enough of a power threat for you to be satisfied with… Maybe the league will even allow us to add a gigantic wall behind the SS/3B infield dirt, and we can just go with 8 hitters instead of 9. Cool deal, I like it… and all I can add is thank God youre not in charge…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | May 29, 2008 at 08:29 PM