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Off Topic: The Griffey Ball

Cody Ross' recent comments about Ken Griffey Jr.'s 600th home run ball really irked me.  A Marlins season ticket holder, Joe, caught the ball and hasn't decided what to do yet.  Here's what Ross said:

Just give it to the Hall of Fame, get to meet him, get an autograph, whatever.  But people get greedy. They want to make some money.  I guess the whole Internet thing kicked all of this stuff off.  It didn't use to be like this, but it's a different era. People get money hungry now.

This is coming from Cody Ross, a man who will have made over a million dollars for three years of baseball.  A guy whose '09 salary alone should be close to a million bucks.  It's ridiculous for Ross to flippantly suggest Joe would be greedy to make money off the ball.

The ball might be worth anywhere from $15,000 to $100,000.  For many people, that's a life-changing amount of money.  A down payment on a new house, maybe.  Joe is right to take his time with this choice, and he's under no moral obligation to give up the ball for some signed Reds bats and jerseys.  He doesn't owe it to baseball to give it up.  If anything, baseball owes him.  He's a Marlins season ticket holder.

Actually, that's the perfect solution.  MLB, the Reds, or Griffey himself should offer a paltry $50,000 to Joe for the ball.  It's not going to set MLB back if they offer up fifty grand for every future milestone home run ball.  They could probably find corporate sponsorship for it. 


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the jerk did steal it from someone else. other than that, i agree with you

Mcgwire said the same kind of thing...."holding the ball for ransom"...

That is a winning lottery ticket. Why should the average fan (who has to spend more than they can afford) pass up a chance to own a home???

F Cody Ross and his marginal talent!!

Cody Ross fails to realize that if it weren't for all of these "money hungry fans" then he wouldn't be making millions of dollars.

People ask Cody Ross his opinions on things?

F the fan that " caught " it this shouldnt even be made into anything cuz that guy didnt even catch it it jerked it from another fan who has 20 - 25 witnesses that said this guy stole the ball from him including a marlins usher who saw the guy take the ball from him so you shouldnt even have wasted your time posting this cuz they guy that really caught it may press charges so he will decide what he wants for the ball not this moron who " has plans for it "

You are absoulutely right on with this post. Would MLB, or Griffey, like to claim ownership of the ball if it hurt a fan? Au contraire, because that would create a liability for them--in other words, they could get sued because "their property" hurt someone. Simply because one baseball has value, sentimental or as an historic baseball artifact, does not mean Griffey or MLB has any claim to it. The fan has a contract on his ticket that makes a ball that he recovers in the stands his property--he can dispose of it how he wishes. Ross' statement is a perfect example of the Us vs. Them attitude so many players have against the fans, not to mention prime example of being a dumb jock. And if Griffey wants the ball badly he can buy it at what the market will bear.

Cody Ross gets a salary that is market value for his job. His work helps create huge revenues his employers and for that he has a short career span and obligations to fulfill.

Suggesting anyone is entitled to money for getting a baseball at a game is sort of a ridiculous point of view to hold.

In fact, Ross's suggestion that we shouldn't place a dollar value on the history of the game shows that he holds a respect and reverence for the sport that you clearly do not.

While it's fun to evaluate an organization's skill by comparing their operating costs to production, it's really a shame that anyone thinks it's their business what someone else make for doing their job.

Even worse is the idea that you would object to a man's opinion due to a market driven salary he receives that we all drive with our enjoyment of the game.

You might enjoy the thought of tons of money falling into your lap, but most people I know (granted, I don't know many teenagers) are comfortable with the concept of working hard for their money and being paid appropriately to the professional field they've chosen to work in.

The term 'work' should be used very loosely. Baseball players are 'entertainers'. We work. We all (for the most part) have a job that helps run this crazy little thing called America. They play baseball. They entertain the people who really work. They have no value other than to make us happy. They get paid what they should based on how much revenue the MLB generates.....
Regardless. Cody Ross should just shut the hell up. What does he know. In 5 years when he's unemployed and he blows all of his money, he'll be wishing he could catch a ball worth some money.

You clearly haven't spent much time around people in professional sports or the entertainment industry.

Perhaps you're jealous that they have a job that you think is desirable, but both fields demand a level of dedication when working and preparation between employment that is beyond what most people comprehend.

They offer short career spans and outsized scrutiny for those who make their living in those fields.

To suggest that the athlete who trains his entire life, spends years in on buses between small cities in the middle of the country, leaves his home for months at a time while brutalizing his body in a way that will make him old at 50 doesn't work as hard as the general population is just offensive.

"Suggesting anyone is entitled to money for getting a baseball at a game is sort of a ridiculous point of view to hold."

Home run balls are legal property of the person who catches it. People are entitled to money they get from selling property they own. I don't see how that's ridiculous.

"In fact, Ross's suggestion that we shouldn't place a dollar value on the history of the game shows that he holds a respect and reverence for the sport that you clearly do not."

It's a life changing amount of money for many people. This is potentially a year or two of salary for the guy. We all love the game, but not everyone can afford to give up that much money.

The only reason Ross "holds a respect and reverence" because his paycheck is big enough for him to. Tim's point is that Ross shouldn't call him greedy because the money may not seem like a lot to Ross, but it's a lot to the ordinary person.

Victor,

I'm not saying it's not a profound amount of money or that the man lacks a legal right to keep it.

I suppose it's nearly anti-American, but I don't believe in accepting money that you don't earn.

You give inheritance to charity. You leave lines of credit for major expenses. You eat a home more than you'd like, go out less than you'd like and you enjoy the life you have rather than looking to get something for nothing.

Is there some good video of the fan grabbing the ball from the other fan? I've looked around on the net, but can't find any yet.

and here's a thought. Maybe Cody Ross should just buy the dang thing.

While your point is very well made, I believe that the fan did earn it. He paid for a ticket in the outfield for a game when an historic home run was hit and had enough skill to catch it. (I'm assuming that he didn't steal it, though clearly he did.) I think it's somewhat analogous situation to, say, buying stock. The buyer can only do so much before fate and the hand of the market give him or her a return. The fan did his homework just as a buyer would too; he probably spent years playing little league to improve his hand-eye coordination and went to the came fully aware of the situation that a ball could be hit to him that would make him thousands of dollars. I think the concept that more people work in industries where they can only try to affect, not produce, an outcome (real estate, entertainment, retail, business in general) makes the point more clear that the term "earn" has varying degrees and that this fan may be closer to earning it than you lead on.

I like to think (and I could be wrong seeing as though I have never caught a ball with any significance) that the right thing to do in this exact situation would be to give it to Griffey, no favors asked. But I think it all depends on the player. There are some who I would give it to, some I would sell it to. I've always like to think of Griffey as a guy would say "thanks" then sign the helmet he was wearing when it hit and give that to you... give you a personal tour of the clubhouse... then score you some great tickets to future games. A "thanks for being an awesome fan" type of gesture.

"Cody Ross gets a salary that is market value for his job. His work helps create huge revenues his employers and for that he has a short career span and obligations to fulfill."

Not sure who you are contesting with that one. I did not say Ross is overpaid or lazy. My point is that his viewpoint on this is BS, because he is a rich man. He is out of place to suggest a stranger would be greedy to choose $50K over BS reverence for the game. The game doesn't exactly revere the fans does it?

As for the generalizations/shots at America and teenagers, those sound like your own personal hangups.

Also the stuff about Joe snatching the ball from another guy has already been disproven by video. He caught it directly and then tossed down a decoy ball to get out of there.

i have a feeling if he would have just gave the ball to griffey, that the kid would have probably taken care of the guy pretty well.

but this whole being an @$$ thing and trying to play hard ball and bargain ... who cares...

Finally somebody said it. Tim, I think you hit the nail on the head here. To Cody Ross, $100,000 dollars is nothing. For most baseball players in the MLB, $100,000 is what they pay for one of their 20 luxury/sports cars. How dare he call this guy greedy.

"Just give it to the Hall of Fame, get to meet him, get an autograph, whatever. But people get greedy. They want to make some money. I guess the whole Internet thing kicked all of this stuff off. It didn't use to be like this, but it's a different era. People get money hungry now."

Lol, when Ross hits free agency and I'm a team trying to sign him I'd bring up this comment right after I offered him well under market value. Then when he rejects it, I'd throw his own words right back in his face. Ross wouldn't want to look like he was 'money hungry' or 'greedy', but I bet he sees things differently when it's his bank account in question. I'd tell him 'just play for the minimum, you get to play a game for a living, it didn't used to be like this, but I guess people get greedy and money hungry'. Lol, then I'd blame the internet! I bet Ross would say he's just trying to get market value, but isn't that exactly what fans who look to sell historic balls are doing?

"To suggest that the athlete who trains his entire life, spends years in on buses between small cities in the middle of the country, leaves his home for months at a time while brutalizing his body in a way that will make him old at 50 doesn't work as hard as the general population is just offensive."

Lol, that statement is offensive to every hard working person who doesn't get to retire at 35 with millions of dollars in the bank for playing a game. Seriously, how long does the average major leaguer spend riding buses around the middle of the country? 3 or 4 years in their early 20's? Please don't start on the rigors of being a major league baseball player. It must be tough to fly on private planes, stay in 4 star hotels, get 6 months off a year and get to retire in your mid 30's with millions of dollars. Yeah, that sounds about like the life of an average American. I'm not saying you don't have to work hard to be a professional athlete, just that it's a completely different kind of 'hard work' than a guy who has to work into his late 60's just to be able to afford to retire.

Sure, it would be great to see the guy give Griffey the ball, but he is under no obligation to do so. I'm sorry, but if someone is offering me $50,000 or more for that baseball, I'm taking the money every single time and I wouldn't feel one ounce of regret. That is life changing money and to suggest someone is being greedy for taking the money is ridiculous. It's not being greedy, it's being smart and using common sense. This guy bought himself a ticket (a full seasons worth of Marlins tickets, actually- who knew they had season ticket holders?) and caught the ball. It's now his property and he's free to do whatever the hell he wants with it.

And why does Cody Ross feel the need to call out one of his team's fans and call him greedy? This is a guy who helps pay your salary Cody. Shut it!

Simple and clear cut, it's the fan ball now so it's his choice. Let him do what he wants with it. If he wants to sell it, give it to Griffey, give it to the hall of fame, whatever. His choice and let him enjoy the moment.

Yah, what should I do with the ball?

Just joking. LOL

Sorry Cody Ross is completely right though ... although it is the fan's choice, this wouldn't have happened in the old days. People had too much respect for the game

AND he took it from the other fan... why? To make a profit!! Bull#%#!

You gotta excuse the Dodger fan...it's only natural for them to be ignorant. Good post Tim!

Again, Joe didn't take it from the other fan. At least that's what the Marlins are saying.

The only reason it wouldn't have happened in the old days is that memorabilia didn't have that kind of value.

How anyone can take issue with an average joe cashing in on a ball like this is beyond me.

In essence, that ball is this guy's lottery ticket.

For a rich guy (and Ross is rich by my standards) to whine only lowers him in my estimation. And to declare the ball is a part of history is a joke; most of today's ballplayers couldn't identify Curt Flood or Bob Feller if they bumped into them on the street.

"Sorry Cody Ross is completely right though ... although it is the fan's choice, this wouldn't have happened in the old days. People had too much respect for the game"

Lol, yeah I'm really sure that Cody Ross wants baseball to be like the 'old days'! Hey Cody, better check the jobs board on your way out of the clubhouse on Oct 3rd, because in the 'old days' when people respected the game the players didn't make enough money to support themselves for the whole year. The day that major leaguers have to work in the offseason is the day they can rip the fans for wanting to make some money.

Kind of a kick in the nuts to get called greedy by a guy on a team you root for. I'd have trouble being a fan of Ross after that.

I can't blame the guy for wanting to make some money, especially in this economy. The odds of catching that ball had to have been very slim. I don't think it's really a question of "earning" it. The guy got lucky, and I don't see anything wrong with cashing in on that luck. Like others have said, MLB can make him an offer if they're so concerned about preserving the history of the game. That kind of money is nothing to them.

The character of this "Joe" is really put into perspective when you recall what the brothers that caught Manny Ramirez's 500th HR did. They asked Manny to borrow the ball for the night, took picture with it with their friends, and then gave it back to Manny and got to take some pictures with him and hang out.

I'm not saying that doing what they did is what everyone should do in that situation but it tells you about the different types of people there are. There are so many things "Joe" could have done in this situation and taking the "I'll sell it and be set for life" approach may end up with him getting sued by the guy who allegedly caught it first. If he gave the ball to Griffey and in return got to meet him and get some signed memorabilia (that he could have turned around and sold later on), he wouldn't be in this mess where he needs to hide his identity and has essentially been publically vilified. I'm not saying what he did was right or wrong but that he created this mess for himself.

"The character of this "Joe" is really put into perspective when you recall what the brothers that caught Manny Ramirez's 500th HR did. They asked Manny to borrow the ball for the night, took picture with it with their friends, and then gave it back to Manny and got to take some pictures with him and hang out."

The brothers who caught Manny's ball already had money. The Woo's were playing golf at Andrews AFB earlier in the day, and I don't think they are Air Force personnel. I wonder why? Big government contractors perhaps?

Did someone say that they don't think he should sell it because he didn't "earn" the money? This guy had season tickets to the Marlins games, right? He sounds like one of the good baseball fans (out of 10) that they have around there. Ross needs to shut his mouth. Like someone else said, if he wants the good ole' days, he should be playing for the good ole' salary of a couple thousand bucks a year, not thousands of bucks per plate appearence.

While selling home run balls probably happened years before the 1998 Home Run Chase that is where it seemed that the selling started to happen on a regular basis. I have been a long time reader and follower of a few of the Ballhawks that Blog online.

The guy that caught Sosa's 61st in 1998 recently wrote a post about selling milestone home run balls. In the opinion of a sports writer he is the cause of the explosion of selling baseballs over the past 10 years. I tend to agree.

Here is the link to the post he wrote about this interview and him being the cause of fans getting greedy!
http://majorleagueballhawk.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/08/selling_milestone_home_run_bal.html

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