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Red Sox Not Interested In Bonds

According to Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald, a club source said Barry Bonds is "not a fit" for the Red Sox.  David Ortiz may be ready to play in July, anyway.

Bonds will continue to wait for a phone call.  I believe he would've put aside negative feelings for Boston, had the Red Sox come calling.  Just for the fun of it, the following contending teams have gotten below-average production out of the DH spot: Indians, Tigers, Angels, Twins, Blue Jays.  You could probably find a reason for each of these clubs to pass on Bonds, however.


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Left off the White Sox and A's. The A's have been below-average overall at DH, but Thomas has come on strong. For the Sox, Jim Thome is actually right at league average (and will probably improve).

The Red Sox won't acquire another bat in Ortiz's absence. They have too many internal options that can get them through the next month. Besides, Bonds wouldn't have played in Boston. It's too "racist" if you remember his comments from last year (or maybe the year before).

Does anyone actually believe at this point in time that Bonds will play again? I don't see it happening at all. I think there's a better chance that someone ponies up the money for Sammy Sosa than Bonds.

Did anyone really think Boston would sign Bonds?

I can see Bonds still getting job this year, does anyone know how close he is to being ready? In other words would he only need to work out in the minors for 2 weeks?

the only interested party with Bonds is Congress, and the only team that wants to sign him long term is prison.

the sox will handle this internally, with either chris carter, brandon moss, sean casey or manny rameriz (highly unlikely for him since he hates dhing)

the Jays are still the prime team to sign him, and still probably won't.

I'd bet an awful lot of money that Bonds won't be signed this year.

If Ortiz doesn't need surgery and he's healthy in a month, then it would be stupid to sign Bonds. However, if Papi is out for sure, then Boston would have to sign Barry in order to pursue a World Series. I still like the Jays for Barry though.

"However, if Papi is out for sure, then Boston would have to sign Barry in order to pursue a World Series. "


Not going to happen and it's not true anyway.

“Not going to happen and it's not true anyway.”

…Are you that sure a Ortiz-less lineup can fend off TB, Tor and even NY the rest of the way? Let alone overcome an Anaheim team that he almost single handedly sends home every year… The RedSox are a really, really good team ~ but without Ortiz the teams dynamic changes. I think most would consider him the single hardest hitter to replace on the team; it makes a big difference…

Hmmm...that's pretty much what those of us who know anything about the Sox were saying yesterday.

"However, if Papi is out for sure, then Boston would have to sign Barry in order to pursue a World Series."

Probably the dumbest thing I've read on this board.

"Probably the dumbest thing I've read on this board."

Probably the most enlightened thing I've read on this board. Put away your Red Sox glory for a second and hear me out. Ortiz is one of the best hitters in the game (the major league RBI leader since 2003), but if worse-case scenario he's done, then the organization and the fans have to cut the crap and sign Bonds. Case closed.

It's not "Red Sox glory" that is making people question your logic. It's the deeper understanding that Barry Bonds is not the only short-term DH solution, coupled with awareness of the fact that he might not even be the best short-term DH solution.

For the record, I'm one of the few who thinks the Red Sox should have looked closer at signing Bonds, chemistry-be-damned. But that does not make your absolutist stance any more rational. Bonds could no doubt be a difference-maker. But this is a far cry from what your proposing -- that he's the ONLY solution.

Without Ortiz, the Red Sox go nowhere the past four years. No WS in 2004 for sure, no WS in 2007 most likely. It's amazing to think how one struggling no-glove lefty Minnesota castoff has made such a difference in a team. Having an open DH slot and being able to take a flier on that kind of guy (remember, he was set to platoon with Jeremy Giambi, yeah, that guy), that's the equivalent of buying a dollar lottery ticket and winning the jackpot.

It may seem like sunshine and lollipops now, but if Ortiz is out for the year, and Manny continues his decline of the past four years, it's gonna get a lot tougher. Signing Bonds would be a coup for the Sox. He would be the best hitter on most of the teams in baseball, not just the Sox.

Yes, have the Sox sign Barroids and have the clubhouse demeanor and camaraderie which has been built up over the past 5 years go to piss. That's probably the best method of getting to the post-season I've ever heard.

If you think stats are the only thing that gets a team to the WS you're a sad, sad individual. Believe it or not, there is an emotional side which would likely be destroyed by the addition of Bonds.

Also, perhaps you are unaware of how business is done in the land of the Fens. The ownership recognizes that money isn't made strictly on the field. The interaction and appreciation of the fans has been as big a role in their business model as making sure they have players which can achieve the goal of winning. They know that if Bonds was signed the fans would be very unhappy with it.

Sure Barry's not the only solution, but which of the three scenarios would you rather have:

1)Coco Crisp in the starting lineup, playing superb outfield but substandard offensively
2)some AAA nobody's heard of playing LF, Manny DHing
3)Barry Bonds protecting Manny in the lineup, Bonds DHing

Any Boston fan who refuses the third option is content with coming up short in the postseason (if they make the postseason). You can have your "clubhouse chemistry", but I'll take a championship any day.

It comes down to this, if your team is so reliant on a single player that you're not going to the playoffs without him, well you're not a WS team. An Ortizless Sox are not in trouble. A middle order of Youk, Manny, Lowell, Tek, and Drew still can go toe to toe with most offenses. Add to that, Boston has a different kind of lineup phillosophy with Ellsbury leading off (before anyone scoffs and reminds me of Damon, I'll remind you he wasn't as big of a runner that Ellsbury is) and just an overall more speed in the lineup.

Carter and Moss will be fine as replacements. They won't replace the numbers of Ortiz, but it's not like the team will fall apart without Ortiz.

Another interesting note, Rotoworld commented this was the best time for this to happen and it's strangely true. Boston during this span has 9 games in National League ballparks. You don't have to worry about the Youk/Lowell/Ortiz conundrum.

theillen, trust me when I say your arguement doesn't hold water. If Theo tomorrow signs Clemens, Bonds, orchastrates a trade for Arod, and releases Tek... you'll still buy tickets to see the Sox and you'll still cheer them on. My friend has always thought Lugo is the scourge of the universe, but still cheers him on whenever he's at the plate.

Serious question....how do Bonds' pending judicial matters factor into the schedule for the rest of the season? Would his perjury trial start up during the playoffs?

I would love to play for Boston.

Bonds won't have to go to court until after this season is over. Since the prosecution had to redo their charges, the thing was pushed back so the only thing Bonds might have to do is show up for court to hear when the trials will start. Nothing that'll change really.

The guy is one of the most surly characters and it would only take a very strong GM/Manager to be able to handle him. I think Boston would be okay for a year with him on the team for the rest of the season. IT's not like he'll be the only star ...

I'll say it again, there is NO CHANCE the Sox sign Barry Bonds. Ok, maybe a 3.75% chance, if Ortiz is done for the year, Bonds is clear of his perjury hearings, the Sox offense goes cold for 2 months, Curt Schilling is deemed done for the entire year (its no secret that Curt and Barry don't like each other), and Barry comes to Beantown begging for a job, then you could see Bonds.

good team chemistry is the result of winning, not whether or not your teammates are nice to you....why do people constantly overplay this? if team chemistry is that important you guys would still have Kevin Millar.....

there are plenty of examples of teams that won despite their teammates not getting along with each other.....I may be setting myself up here, but baseball players really aren't as thin-skinned and emotional as we make them out to be....

and really, Barroids?

you got any Titanic jokes?

"theillen, trust me when I say your arguement doesn't hold water. If Theo tomorrow signs Clemens, Bonds, orchastrates a trade for Arod, and releases Tek... you'll still buy tickets to see the Sox and you'll still cheer them on"

Sure, I'll still cheer on the Sox. But, I'll also boo Bonds whenever he steps up to bat. See, I'm not a blind homer. I'm objective in my fandom. So much so that I don't see the Celtics winning the NBA Finals.

"and really, Barroids?

you got any Titanic jokes?"

What's wrong? You think nicknames should be topical? Maybe I should call him Bail Bonds instead since now it's all a matter of the courts.

theillen: actually you are not objective in your fandom, you're subjective....which means "good guys" are more important to you than winning....to me, being a fan means supporting the name on the front, not the name on the back.....

as far as nicknames, I'm not sure if they should be topical or not....but Barriods is the type of crap I'd expect from my dad....and besides, nicknames are sort of terms of endearment, and I don't think Bonds has earned one...

Actually, subjectivity would be me thinking the Sox can't lose when clearly they can. Subjective is what the typical Yankees fan is.

Nicknames aren't always terms of endearment. And the fact that you think Barroids is something you'd expect to hear from your dad is of no relevance to me. Besides, I didn't coin the name, I simply use it.

“good team chemistry is the result of winning, not whether or not your teammates are nice to you....why do people constantly overplay this? if team chemistry is that important you guys would still have Kevin Millar.....”

…Besides, (like countless players before him) Bonds has problems with the Media, but we hear mixed input from players he has shared a clubhouse with. Many of the players we have heard negative from also seemed to have ulterior motives ~ and of course the Media does. The whole “he will ruin or chemistry” thing seems it is little more than the fallback complaint for when ya want to complain about him, instead of something of substance…

…Of course Bonds isnt the only option that the Sox will have if they need to replace Ortiz for the remainder of the year ~ but he is the only one which will cost nothing more than cash. Someone like Dunn is a great fit in my mind, but Dunn cost more cash and multiple prospects ~ while almost certainly providing less production. But as a non-BoSox fan, I hope they don’t sign him because I don’t want them to be near unstoppable ~ leading me to say, I hope you Barry-Hating fans get your wish…

I will never forgive any of you for this thread.

"The Bonds idea does not make sense. He is no longer a feared hitter"

Your post lost every ounce of credibility right there. Pujols and A-Rod aren't feared hitters either, according to you, I suppose.

scatterbrian: "theillien: http://dictionary.reference.com"

If this is an attempt to somehow prove me wrong as to what a nickname is, maybe you should have done a search on it first yourself.

"1. a name added to or substituted for the proper name of a person, place, etc., as in affection, ridicule, or familiarity"

You'll notice it says "ridicule". Much like I had said nicknames can be.

If that isn't your intention, maybe you should put your passive-aggressive nature aside and simply say what you mean.

“If this is an attempt to somehow prove me wrong as to what a nickname is, maybe you should have done a search on it first yourself.”

…Actually, I think he was directing you to the dictionary for this:

Objective ~ “not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.”

Subjective ~ “pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation. placing excessive emphasis on one's own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc.; unduly egocentric.”

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