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By Tim Dierkes [June 9, 2008 at 8:28am CST]
Ken Rosenthal has a new column; let's discuss.
- Rosenthal notes that many contenders will need relief help come July. We've got a list of available relievers here.
- The Brewers are interested in second baseman Brian Roberts. Rosenthal suggests they offer Rickie Weeks for Roberts and another player. Rosenthal notes that the various rumored springtime Cubs offers are now off the table.
- Barry Bonds is not a consideration for Boston even if David Ortiz's injury becomes long-term. Rosenthal believes Adam Dunn could be on the radar under that scenario.
I think the Brewers should try and go after Roberts and Sherrill, but I'm not sure what it would take. Weeks + a very good prospect maybe? They need some relief help pretty badly...
Posted by: Aduncaroo | June 09, 2008 at 09:01 AM
I think that with all of the analysts saying that Bonds "is not a consideration for Boston" as well as it coming straight from Theo's mouth, that all the so called "experts" (ie. Sox Haters) should stop trying to prove it will happen.
Posted by: theillien | June 09, 2008 at 09:15 AM
The Orioles should try and get Matt Gamel. He i slike Braun in that he is a terrible 3rd baseman defensively but is absolutely raking at the plate...I'm sure Milwaukee is tired of guys who can't play any one position well. The O's can see if he can work it out at 3b or try him at first or DH him.
Posted by: Jared78 | June 09, 2008 at 09:39 AM
I think the only prospect/young player that makes sense for the Os is SP Manny Parra. But a Parra-Weeks FOR Roberts-Sherrill sounds a little thin for the highly patient MacPhail. Again the details are very similar to the Bedard trade earlier. The Os would be in the driver's seat since both Roberts and Sherrill are at least more than a season away from Free Agency. MacPhail has no urgency to trade either of those guys unless the package is right.
Weeks' value right now is at an all time low for him. I think the Brewers would need to part with their best pitching prospect AND throw in another pretty solid one. Sherrill has 21 SAVEs before the break. He's not been just another closer. He's been among the best ones in baseball this year.
Posted by: basemonkey | June 09, 2008 at 09:44 AM
Braun would surely interest the Orioles but I didn't even consider him since I can't imagine the Brewers willing to deal him. He's already proven that he can hit MLB pitching.
Posted by: basemonkey | June 09, 2008 at 09:45 AM
"I think that with all of the analysts saying that Bonds "is not a consideration for Boston" as well as it coming straight from Theo's mouth, that all the so called "experts" (ie. Sox Haters) should stop trying to prove it will happen."
It just makes too much sense for people to throw the idea out the window. I don't think it'll happen either, but nobody can argue Bonds wouldn't be an adequate replacement for Ortiz.
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | June 09, 2008 at 09:48 AM
I guess it depends on which of the two players the Brewers deem to be their future 3B? Is it Braun or Gamel? I'd take Gamel because if there's anyone who's been as hot as Wieters this year it's Gamel. Though that creates a problem for the Os of stacking their positions since Rowell, still only 19, is another highly touted prospect.
Posted by: basemonkey | June 09, 2008 at 10:02 AM
If the Brewers want a 2B, why not take a look at Robinson Cano? Not having a great season himself, but he's still young, and has already battled for a batting title.
seems to make more sense than Roberts because he's younger.
why not a blockbuster-ish trade for all of us to enjoy, and package Cano, Hughes, and a couple other prospects for Prince Fielder, who the Brewers wont pony the cash up for anyway?
Posted by: TurnTwo | June 09, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Basemonkey, I wonder is they see either as a future 3B...both appear to be pretty brutal defensively. I'm sure they would love one of them to be able to stick there. I was thinking Gamel will need to be moved to first which requires a little less reaction time or LF/DH. Rowell is a good prospect but he has not shown much with the bat yet, which makes you think if he is going to make it, it may be 5 years. Gamel could probably hold his own now in the majors, his OPS is currently 1,117 in double-a.
Posted by: Jared78 | June 09, 2008 at 10:44 AM
The Oriols should trade Roberts and Sherill for Weeks, Laporta, and a solid pitching prospect. Laporta would play in left if the Oriols get a 1b, or play at 1b if they don't. They would have a great young nucleus of Markakis, Weeks, Jones, and Laporta.
Posted by: Joe | June 09, 2008 at 10:54 AM
What is it that I'm missing on Ricky Weeks?
He's injury prone, not a great fielder, and a streaky hitter. Last year, his OBP help offset his extremely low BA, but this year he's terrible all the way around. I know he's supposed to have lots of potential, but in over 1,300 major league ABs he's not lived up to that potential. Am I way off?
Posted by: Darin | June 09, 2008 at 11:14 AM
"I guess it depends on which of the two players the Brewers deem to be their future 3B? Is it Braun or Gamel? I'd take Gamel"
Wow! Gamel is at AA. Braun was the rookie of the year last year in the league that's above AAA, posting the highest SLG in history for a rookie!
Posted by: jrfukudome | June 09, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Rowell hasn't shown much with the bat mainly because he hasn't had a fullyear yet due to health. His last couple seasons have been eeked out in between nagging injury DL stints. I only mentioned Rowell because the Os invested a 1st round draft pick in his high potential. Does it make sense to trade for a player who is playing at the same level, high A?
Posted by: basemonkey | June 09, 2008 at 11:36 AM
"Rowell hasn't shown much with the bat mainly because he hasn't had a fullyear yet due to health. His last couple seasons have been eeked out in between nagging injury DL stints. I only mentioned Rowell because the Os invested a 1st round draft pick in his high potential. Does it make sense to trade for a player who is playing at the same level, high A?"
Gamel has put up a 1117 obp in double-a...not single a. I was not blasting Rowell or saying he would not be a player eventually...I just wouldn't go after a lesser player in return since Rowell has a .657 ops in high-a. I realize he is 19 but he has a ways to go where as Gamel is dominating double-a to the point where I bet anything he could outperform Mora right now (no major feat...just saying he is likely mlb ready now. Since Gamel may not be able to stick at third base anyways for defenisve reasons I would not let Rowell's presence keep me from taking Gamel.
Posted by: Jared78 | June 09, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Haudricourt has Melvin denying it here: http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/06/09/melvin-denies-interest-in-roberts.aspx
"He has a low batting average but some stat people say he's still productive, with the runs scored and that." Doug isn't exactly singing praises tho, so who knows. I could see a deal for Sherrill with a Weeks/Roberts exchange playing a role.
Posted by: boringname | June 09, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Not that I think Mora is an above-average 3B, but I actually don't think Gamel's likely to outperform Mora right now. Not that I don't think Gamel isn't a quality ballplayer but only that he hasn't seen ML-quality secondary stuff yet so you can't count on him being able to adjust that quickly. Even the best discipline hitters need some time. He has proven that he can hit quality fastballs and is a patient hitter. In the long run Gamel has a chance to be the better ballplayer than Mora by a long way but not necessarily right now.
That being said, with the Os investing in future performance, I can't think this would be a bad trade. My only issue is that Rowell has the ability to explode through the minors and they are a little close in development. It's not as far as you think. If you consider Rowell's age, he'd have been a Top 10 pick this year and not be considered an old prospect at that.
Posted by: basemonkey | June 09, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Roberts is at .284/ .363/ .453 and Sherrill is 1-1 21 Saves 2.93 ERA 1.12 WHIP.
So apparently those are worth a 2B (who is no longer a prospect and is already making over a mil) and a prospect? Sure Weeks has 20/20 ability but he has a horrid K rate and hit over .250 in a season once.
I'm glad its just Ken throwing out ideas. But I don't foresee Roberts going for anyone with that much ML time.
Posted by: XD23 | June 09, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Perhaps, but Ryan Braun had a .956 ops in double-a in 256 at bats to close out 2006 and then in 2007 put up a 1004 ops in the majors. The fact Gamel has put up a 1117 ops in 227 at bats in double a thus far makes me believe he could be pretty good now in the majors. Either way, he is not far off.
If Rowell does explode then that does not effect much since Gamel is a marginal 3b defensively anyways ...you could try him at 1b, lf or just DH him to keep the bat in the line-up. It really is an enviable issue to have to deal with.
Posted by: Jared78 | June 09, 2008 at 12:58 PM
The funny thing is that Rowell might need to switch to 1B eventually for the same reasons. Rowell's physique is best described as a young Troy Glaus. He is solid defensively for the time being but there is some talk of how much he will improve.
Posted by: basemonkey | June 09, 2008 at 01:58 PM
But Jared, your comments are very much on point. It doesn't have to be Gamel for the Os. I was just wondering out loud who would be a good fit. Parra is a nice fit but I'm not sure of what the Brewers lilihood of trading any kind of pitching is like.
Posted by: basemonkey | June 09, 2008 at 02:00 PM
I only leaned toward Gamel just because the Os have Mora there and he's one of the more obvious spots to replace. I think the Os are pretty crowded in the OF througout the system. Infield position players would be welcome. Pitching always is in spite of the Orioles sudden logjam at all levels in SPs.
Posted by: basemonkey | June 09, 2008 at 02:01 PM
Geez, the Brewers don't need MORE hitting. Roberts does nothing for them. They need starting pitching, and desperately. Yeah, the bullpen stinks, but it's moot if the SP can't even get you to the point in the game where the BP comes into play.
Ryan Braun and Weeks for Clayton Kershaw and Delwyn Young. If Young really CAN'T play 2B, Brewers could probably plug Bill Hall in there.
I am assuming Melvin will play his hand for 2009 with this deal, and have Gamel and LaPorta ready for the bigs at that time. Dodgers get their slugger.
Posted by: Johnny Rotten | June 10, 2008 at 04:58 AM