Jarrod Washburn Rumors

Scraps for scraps.

Seems fair enough.

"AS much as i would love to see the Yanks rid themselves of Igawa and the money, is Washburn any better than Darrell Rasner?
Rasner has faired decently filling in the Yanks rotation, and while he hasnt started as many games, has similar numbers to washburn, his strike out ratio is much higher, and is younger."

But wouldn't you feel better going down the stretch with Washburn starting instead of Rasner? Washburn has a bunch of playoff experience from when he won a WS with the Angels, and has actually been pitching quite well the past couple months. In the Yankees position no doubt I make that move. Can't really hurt all that much.

"Topacan Field."

Which is, of course, how my people spell Tropicana Field.

I can deal with Washburn the rest of the season. But is he really worth having in the rotation next season as well? Plus, he'll likely require some compensation for waiving his no-trade clause. So, figure that's another two year extension.

Is Washburn worth giving 3+ years for that rotation?

"Plus, he'll likely require some compensation for waiving his no-trade clause."

Pretty sure he'd just want money to waive it. Don't recall a player ever demanding a 2 year extension to waive a NTC.

Furthermore, this Washburn may actually do pretty well for the Yanks.

With the name of the game in Yank stadium (old and new) being 'neutralize the lefties' Washburn does very well against them: Career .245/.302/.398 ain't chopped liver.

But I guess that leaves the question, who'd be willing to eat Washburn's & Vidro's contracts. Argh...

"Jose Vidro has his good moments."

Yep, like that one time he and Bartolo Colon formed a buffet tag team in 2002(they both played for the Expos that year) and polished off the entire after-game buffet themselves....

Oh, wait, you were probably referring to on-the-field moments, right?

Hmmmm....can't think of one good moment recently. ;)

If the Yanks trade Gardner and Cabrera for Washburn, who's left to play the outfield positions they currently play? One can only conclude if they do pull off that trade, the Yanks have already lined up another trade for an outfielder or two.

I can't seem to fathom the M's (or any team for that matter) wanting to trade for Igawa.

enchinga/johnflaherty:

I don't think the rumor means they are considering trading BOTH melky and gardner...just one or the other. So whoever wasn't included in the trade would be their everyday center fielder. I don't think Washburn is worth either of them. Not that either of them is that great but just take him on as a salary dump.

I'm all for the yankees giving up igawa for washburn, but melky too? that would be a terrible move for the yanks. first of all, i dont think gardner is ready to be the everyday center fielder right now. granted, he has played almost everyday in left field. damon DH and share left field with gardner.

and anyways, cano wouldnt be happy if melky was to leave.

"Pretty sure he'd just want money to waive it. Don't recall a player ever demanding a 2 year extension to waive a NTC."

I remember this one guy demanding a 7 year extension nto too long ago ;)

"But then you have to ask, who would you rather have Vazquez or Washburn?"

Oh my god c'mon of course you'd rather have Javy Vazquez. He's reverted back to his older less consistent ways, but last year he was one of the best pitchers in the AL. When the guy is on he's an ace, while Washburn hasn't really pitched that well in a few years. I could still see the Sox adding Washburn, but he'd be their 5th starter/insurance because they're not moving anyone from that rotation.

This is typical NYC bias when evaluating players. Washburn is a legit 4 or 5 pitcher in the rotation while Igawa isnt qualified to pitch for Tacoma. The fact that anyone would deem a Washburn for Igawa trade as fair only shows that they have no clue about baseball. I agree that the M's should trade Washburn, but if the best they can get is Igawa then we should just keep him. It is not that big of a money dump. It would be giving up a so so pitcher with a huge contract for a terible pitcher for a huge contract.

This still doesnt make much sense to me. Unless the Yankees have another deal on the table for an outfielder why would they offer melky or gardner?

Its no secret that melky hasnt produced this year, but who steps in within the yankees organization to even put up the same numbers?

Im a die hard yankee fan and try to look at everything with an unbiased eye, but the yankees pitching has been very good lately, VERY good, they need a bat, and if they are going to add a starter, they need to add something a little better than washburn.

If im seattle, i dont want igawa either, i dont blame them.

If Bonds goes to the Bronx, can Damon still play center?

And, my mistake: Bonds isn't up on tax fraud charges. It's perjury. Either way, I bet he makes a lot of musclebound new friends after his MLB career is over.

cmac1973

The cavernous Yankee Stadium outfield consisting of a 44 year old Bonds (with shot knees), Damon (with a shot shoulder and no arm to begin with) and Abreu (who never met a wall he wasn't scared of) ?? Are you serious?? LOL!!!

Personally, I don't want Washburn at all. Not because of this year...but because there is money to be spent next year and better free agent options to fill out the rotation. Wang and Joba are set. Andy is a maybe if he keeps pitching well and wants to play another year. I think you count this year for Moose as a blessing and thank him for the memories. If Hughes/Horne/Kennedy/Aceves is ready, maybe one takes a spot. Still possibly one more spot to fill and Sabathia, Sheets, Burnett, Dempster, Garland and Lowe are ALL better options than Washburn.

Hahahahaha this just gets funnier every moment. If anyone thinks its fair sending Melky AND Gardner for a washed up washburn, then you guys maybe the dumbest people ever! Melky for Washburn straight up is over paying! Igawa and a low level prospect is perfectly fair for a terrible pitcher in Washburn.

It cracks me up reading people saying that Bonds will be a Yankee. His name was brought up by Hank, but so was every other name. They have no interest what so ever, who ever thinks the Yankees have interest in Bonds is an idiot, and really needs to start paying attention to baseball.

"I would pay big buck to watch an OF of Barry Bonds in LF and Johnny Damon in Center. It would be a riot and possibly the worst defensive OF in the history of the game."

You're forgetting about when the Red Sox had Kevin Mitchell in left, Mike Greenwell in center and Jose Canseco in right. Now THAT defense sucked.

"if the yankees do that deal, trading melky for washburn, they could just sign kenny lofton to play center"

As a Red Sox fan, I hope the Yankees do sign Lofton. How does that move make any more sense than signing Bonds? Is Lofton's defense much better than Bonds' at this point in his career, especially after sitting out all year? Also, didn't Lofton hate New York and vice versa? He was a part of the 2004 chokers though, so I guess it wouldn't be so bad.

You're forgetting about when the Red Sox had Kevin Mitchell in left, Mike Greenwell in center and Jose Canseco in right. Now THAT defense sucked"

You're right...that defense DID suck. What's your point? In case you're one of the zillion NEW Sox fans...you didn't win with that outfield...or ANY outfield for that matter...for 85 YEARS!!! LOL!!!

The Yankees need to finally pull the plug on Pavano after this season.

Why don't people realize how bad Melky Cabrera is? Just because he is young? He is a crappy fielder, a crappy hitter, with an above average arm. That is all he has going for him.

wilk75 (houston): Rangers-Yanks trade...Salty for Ian Kennedy?

Joe Sheehan: Saltalamacchia seems to be third on the list in Texas, so this deal might make sense for both teams, but I think Daniels would want more back. Would Kennedy and Edwar Ramirez be too much? Kennedy's value has plummeted this year. It'd work for the Yankees, who would have an offense/defense combination behind the plate, and a candidate for a job-share with Posada at C/DH for the next couple of seasons. I just don't know if it's enough to get him.

Get'r done M's. Anything in addition to a bag of balls for Washburn and $13M is a bonus.

"won't include even low-level prospects unless the Mariners eat money or take Igawa."

Hang up the phone, Seattle. Don't let the Yankees strong arm you into taking garbage for at least a serviceable pitcher.

"That said...
.268/.333/.400
That sucks, right?"
Look at how he's only gotten worse since 2006.

"Age 24: http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/8190

(no, I am not comparing Melky to that player. Just saying... age 23 stats aren't the end all be all on anybody)."

Bernie hit .306/.393/.485 at AAA in 1992 when he was 23 years old. Melky has never had an 800 OPS on any level of professional baseball. He had a .798 OPS in A and A+ ball and a .996 OPS in AAA in 2006 but that was only 31 games.

Stary Eyed: hahaha, are you serious Vidro and Colon actually did that? That's freakin' hilarious. Well, I meant how Vidro only hits well when his team is already in the lead. I guess I would retract "has his good moments" and replace it with "can catch his team's hitting contagent once in every blue moon". Insurance runs never hurt, that's for sure!

IceDrake's "Hang up the phone, Seattle. Don't let the Yankees strong arm you into taking garbage for at least a serviceable pitcher" comment is absolutely spot on.

The first team able to trade on a contract like Washburn's was the Yankees, and now if they're too choosy on who to send out (assuming the Ms would even consider taking Igawa as well) I'd move onto the next team willing to talk. It'd either shut the Yankees up or make them play the trade fair, and either way it's more beneficial for Seattle. It's not like the Red Sox or Cardinals wont trade for Washburn/Vidro. Plus, those two other teams have better offers.

Igawa is'nt a piece a carp. He was great in Japan. I know he's been horrible in the bigs so far. I think he just needs to stay in the minors for another year to get used to U.S. batters.

The Yankees put a lot of presure on him too be like Dice-K in Boston.

Trading him to Seattle might be good for him and he'll probably be more comfortable on a non-contending team. He'll also be pitching to Johjima, a Japanese native.

I don't know if Washburn for Igawa would work other than for salary dump purposes, especially since Washburn isn't the same pitcher he was years ago with Anaheim. If anything, he is a decent innings-eater at this point in his career. Someone made a good point about Igawa using Kenji Johjima as a batterymate - things like that with Japanese pitchers always made me wonder considering the language barrier.

However, and most importantly here, is there any other team in baseball that needs to cut bait with a player more than Seattle with Vidro? They continue to hold onto the idea that he belongs in the DH spot, even putting him in the cleanup spot more than a few times this season. Please get rid of him and bring up Wladimir Balantien or put Clement at full-time DH and let Johjima earn his contract at catcher, or do something other than keep Vidro! Why is Seattle such a poorly run organization at this point?