Might Sox Try To Trade Ramirez?

There's no way the Sox will deal or waive Manny this season. They have a good chance to repeat and would never take the risk that the Yankees would claim Manny. Then again, Theo dealt Nomar in an unpredictable three way four years ago. (Of course, Nomar was not in the same class as Manny is in now.

I definitely think the Sox will decline his option for 2009 after his latest antics. As a Yankees fan, I'll be estatic when he leaves Beantown.

Why would anybody trade for him?

Force the Red Sox hand. Either they take his option and pay a guy they don't want $20 million or they let him go and you can pick him up.

He might sign as a FA for a little more but the teams that'd want him (Mets, Yanks, etc) can afford it.

Unless the Red Sox get a prime time bat right now, Manny stays.

I would be ecstatic if the Sox could acquire Matt Holiday. Think about the damage he do to the Monster.

The Red Sox will most likely not trade Ramirez and then decline his '09 option.

Manny on Waiver??? LOL SIGN ME UP PLAY HIM IN LF AT SHEA!!

Thats what I was saying trade Manny for some lower prospect add some of you own to tha pot to go after Holiday.

D Wright 5 is HIGH they NEVER get that type of a package for a pain in the ARSE that is Manny let alone everybody know that the Red SOx are more than ready to cut ties with Manny and we all no that there is no way that they pick that option up .

Manny has 10 and 5 rights, i.e. no trade clause.

From the LoHud blog on Washburn:

UPDATE, 3:12 p.m.: Hmm, maybe not. Says Brian Cashman, “I have no irons in the fire. I’m cold.”

Of course that could change in a second.

I believe stove611 is right that Manny has full no-trade rights as a 10-and-5 player.

So odds are Manny won't be going anywhere without some financial reward - at a minimum, forcing the other team to pick up the '09 and '10 options. (There's a $1M trade kicker in the contract, so presumably those options are at $21M a year, not $20M.)

Disregarding the no-trade issue, Manny would almost certainly be traded only to the NL, so that limits suitors considerably. By my count, only the following teams still in the NL playoff hunt really need a LF:

Mets
D'Backs
Cards (maybe)

Arizona's largely tapped out at the minor-league level following last offseason. St. Louis could center a deal around Colby Rasmus, but their LF situation probably isn't desperate enough to warrant giving up Rasmus.

That leaves the Mets, as DWright5 suggests. Martinez and Niese would be a very good start for such a deal, and might well be the only viable option the Red Sox have should they decide to move Manny.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3506307

Anthony Reyes dealt to the Indians.

"Anthony Reyes, who won Game 1 of the 2006 World Series for St. Louis, was traded by the Cardinals on Saturday to the Cleveland Indians for minor league pitcher Luis Perdomo."

lol scribbletone,
we should make a hell of the combo come the deadline

Like Ari said, the Manny non-stories just get so old. Every year or two ManRam gets mad at the Sox organization, stages some kind of silly, childish mini-rebelion, almost gets himself traded or released, then comes back, mashes, and Theo decides that maybe he's worth the money and the pain in the ass afterall.

Wake me up when Manny's hitting .350 in October (not that I want to happen as a Yanks fan, but you know it will).

"Am I the only Red Sox fan who doesn't care about this mostly-media-created story?"

Nope. I'll sign that petition. I think the Red Sox had been trying to be clever in using the media to slowly build up a nice case against picking up Ramirez's option, which I think they might have been leaning towards more than people thought. It went bad in two ways: first Manny started pushing back some (from his point of view, and fairly so I might add, the worst possible thing is that he gets only one year picked up, not to mention the negative side of his reputation focused on) and second the media decided to really roll with it once they got a hold of it.

As far as being an immediate issue I find it laughable. This same thing has happened in the past. Shank is Shank. The idea the Red Sox put Manny on waivers is hilarious. Almost every year manny gets hit by the media and then by the end all is forgotten and forgiven. Why are we continually caught up in the same old eventual non-story?

Obviously the wrong place to post the info but I wasnt sure where else to go, so sorry if this is the wrong place.

I think this site runs much better when Tim is on the clock.

I think putting Manny on waivers back then was easier b/c not many teams wanted to pick the contract but now that it is short term there would alot more interested teams.

When Huntington says he wants a teams top prospects for his players he means prospects in the team's top 100. We'll need two guys listed in the RedSox top 100 and two more in the top 150 for Bay.

I don't think there would be a big market for Manny. How many teams out there have a $20m/year player today? Not many.

I doubt that the Red Sox would trade with any contending AL team (like the Angels). That really leaves the NL. And from that group, what teams have extra payroll ($20m pro-rated is still a ton of money) and who can afford to take a gamble on a headcase like Manny.

If I'm the Red Sox I would rather sit him than risk putting him through waivers and running the chance that a team like the Angels or Yankees pick him up.

"Heilman, Chris Aguila (AAA), and Single A pitcher for Manny seems about right"

Oh please allow us to take your pile of sh!t

"seems about right"
Do you have a brain?

Adam Dunn can be a Free Agent after the season so he HAS something to work for. He can also be an insurance policy in case Otiz gets inured again or doesn't perform as well as he is expected to.

If the Red Sox don't like what Dunn gives them, they can let him walk and get the same Amateur Draft picks as they would for Manny R.

If the Sox DO like what Dunn gives them then they can afford to sign him to a long term contract.

So, Dunn for three years and $45 million or Manny R for two years and $40 million??

What does McCarver know?

"What does McCarver know?"

He spoke to Theo before the game. Theo said "you can say this on the air."

In regards to the Red Sox putting Manny on waivers a few years back. What everyone always seems to forget is that Vlad was a FA at the time and the Yankees made the bonehead decision to sign Sheffield. If Manny had gotten picked up Boston would have signed Guerrero.

Now, if the Red Sox could trade Manny for some top notch prospects or pitching and decided to give one Barry Bonds a call that would be fine. Save them money get about the same production and would have the same headaches except at least Bonds would play in the big games.

Gary Matthews Jr, Reggie Willits and Sean Rodriguez for Manny.

I see the only way Manny would be traded is if somebody came and offered a big hitting SS and a solid RP... This happens every year and the only thing that ever sounded like an OK deal was when Tajada was in the conversation... He may have antics but he's always had them but he is still considered one of the best right handed hitters and is a threat that ensures Ortiz doesn't get walked.... my prediction is on Aug. 1 we will hear...

- "I love Boston and want to spend the rest of my career here," Manny said.

Back in '03 Manny was placed on waivers during the offseason.

The Mets need a corner bat and have long coveted Manny. We get Heilman for the pen and 2 upper level prospects. We can then swing a deal for Holliday using these Met prospects and a Bowden-type, or we could swing a deal for a lesser bat like Ibanez and then re-load in the winter.

McCarver's quote of Epstein was very telling.

My prediction: Manny to the Mets because Minaya will guarantee his 2 option years.

Manny would have to bring in 2 top prospects at the very least or else it would be easier to just let his contract expire and take the draft picks. And that way they can try for another World Series.

They want to move Manny. With that being the case and the fact that no team is going to cough up two big prospects for him, they're going to have to lower their asking price. And Buster Olney says as much on his blog. I think you can get one really good prospect for him and that's why I think the Mets would ultimately cough up Niese for him. The only problem is the Red Sox would not get a bat in return, which if they were willing to accept that trade, might mean they make another trade to replace Manny's offense.

Manny is the new DH for the Jays? Doubt it would happen cause the Jays don't have the money, Manny might not want to DH. It's a nice thought though. As for where Manny goes I hope it is somewhere that is not the AL East he's eaten up Jays pitching in his career.

jsoxfan84,

Here is the problem with trading Manny to the Mets or Dodgers (or any other NL team still in contention) there is the possibility that that team makes it to the World Series and THEN the Sox might have to face Manny.

Manny might be indifferent now but trade him to an NL contender that might end up facing the Red Sox in the WOrld Series and I think Manny would definitely be concentrating harder these last two months.

That is why trading Manny for Dunn makes sense. The Reds are out of it and the Sox wouldn't have very much fear that they would have to face Manny in the Post Season.

"dodgers get: manny, arroyo

rangers get: derek lowe, edgar martinez, and juan pierre

reds get: bowden, jamey wright, cris carter

sox get: michael young, dunn."

Why in the hell would the Rangers make that trade? There's not a chance in hell they trade Young and Wright for a 35 year old starter and an OF with a bloated contract that isn't an upgrade over what they've already got, and... Edgar Martinez? Huh?

Does Ramirez have any minor league options left? Not sure how that works for veteran players, but if the Red Sox can, and are serious about showing him who is boss, they should send Ramirez to Pawtucket for a few weeks. Oh right, they won't because he's 80 times better then whoever they would replace him with and principles are not as important as winning.

Manny will probably be placed on waivers...

But only to see if he will clear them, then we will be pulled back.

The Sox have done this a few times with him.

And some GM's will waive every player tradeable to see if they can clear. (for the post deadline trades)

Its not going to be a serious waive as in outright release. That would be ridiculous.