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By Tim Dierkes [September 1, 2008 at 9:18pm CST]
Here's the latest blog post from ESPN's Peter Gammons...
- Takashi Saito is mentioned as a free agent this winter, but I believe it's a situation where he can only re-sign, return to Japan, or retire.
- Gammons heard talk that Russell Martin could be switched permanently to third base. In that scenario, the Dodgers would sign a pitching-oriented catcher such as Jason Varitek. Would that be a good move?
- Adam Dunn knows it's cliche, but he intends to prioritize winning over money when he hits free agency.
- The D'Backs were asking a lot for Carlos Quentin last winter, with the White Sox, Red Sox, and Indians interested. Josh Byrnes was not able to get Michael Bowden, Jed Lowrie, or Cliff Lee. Arizona ended up getting Chris Carter from Chicago and flipping him to Oakland in the Dan Haren deal. Carter mashed 39 home runs in A ball this year. You can't say the Diamondbacks gave Quentin away for nothing, since they acquired a crucial component for the Haren trade.
- A year ago, Yankees GM Brian Cashman asked Joe Torre and his coaches their opinion on a Robinson Cano for Orlando Hudson swap. Don Mattingly and Larry Bowa were heavily in favor of keeping Cano.
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Ahh yes 'Winning over money'. Of course teams spend money trying to get players to help them win. So in the end he just wants to go somewhere that is already winning without him. Places like Baltimore, Washington and KC have no interest to him. Of course if this was last year Tampa Bay would be on that list.
Posted by: XD23 | September 01, 2008 at 09:44 PM
Moving Martin to 3b would be a terrible decision. he'd go from being an excellent-hitting catcher to a mediocre-hitting 3B, at best, and his defense at third is a big unknown. Unless they can move him to 2B, it's not a good idea to change his position unless he's liable to be hurt physically by staying behind the plate. A .375ish OBP from a catcher is a beautiful thing, regardless of how he slugs.
Plus, maybe he can steal another gold glove from yadier molina by staying at catcher (snicker).
Posted by: SleepyCA | September 01, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Interesting Martin situation...lots of question marks though...I agree, Martin would become just a mediocre 3rd baseman... Not sure if Varitek is willing to leave Boston and not sure if Boston wants him to go... Dodgers would be better off keeping Martin at catcher and resigning Blake.
Posted by: #1 Angels Fan | September 01, 2008 at 10:34 PM
"Ahh yes 'Winning over money'. Of course teams spend money trying to get players to help them win. So in the end he just wants to go somewhere that is already winning without him. Places like Baltimore, Washington and KC have no interest to him. Of course if this was last year Tampa Bay would be on that list. "
You're drunk aren't you.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | September 01, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Greg Zaun could be their solution if they want a Pitchers catcher. Really good with pitchers and still decent with the bat if he's in a role where he can split time.
Posted by: Dev0 | September 01, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Russell Martin is such an athletic and dynamic defender behind the plate that I don't think they should move him until they absolutely have to. Until he starts to show the signs of wear and tear, leave him back there.
Posted by: blueandteal | September 01, 2008 at 11:35 PM
During the Dodgers game the other night, the announcers said that Martin used to be a 3B then was converted to catcher. They said he was an excellent fielder at 3B. So maybe the switch would work.
Posted by: jlowrance | September 02, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Wait a minute. Adam Dunn prioritizing winning? Since when? I heard the guy doesn't even like baseball that much.
Posted by: jacklaf | September 02, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Moving Martin to 3B would be a huge mistake. His value to the Dodgers is in his handling of the pitching staff. The Dodgers need to get a good back up catcher. Martin needs to get regular time off, and that doesn't mean playing 3B every once in a while. The Dodgers should look to re-sign Casey Blake or trade for a 3B. The Dodgers surplus is in the outfield. Any good trade partners?
Posted by: jskohl | September 02, 2008 at 01:08 AM
Jskohl there is only two major problems of them trading outfielders 1) they dont want to move Kemp or Either (dont blame them for that) 2) No one wants Jones or Pierre (not unless the Dodger eat the majority of the contract). If you are looking for a third baseman on the trade market, Kouz in SD (not going to happen), Lowell in BOS (might be available), Huff in BAL, Atkins in COL. Then there are a couple that are free agents.
Honestly Blake is the best option, if they can get him to resign. The trade options are not great, and the only two young with upside are in the same division. Plus there Texas is looking for a 3b, along with the Giants.
If you could get him, Aybar from TAM, could be a nice addition, .250/.323/.413 in 273 ABs. I believe he has 3+ years of team control left, not sure on that.
Posted by: AirmanSD | September 02, 2008 at 01:44 AM
Well considering the previous 2 years of Lee were anything but good, the Dbacks weren't asking a lot if they asked for Lee. Seriously, could anyone have believed the season he's been having. Verlander is a perennial Cy Young candidate at the beginning of the year before throwing a pitch and Lee is never in the discussions. Yet at the beginning of the year had I shown anyone their stats and asked people which stats were which, no one would have gotten the right answer.
"Lowell in BOS (might be available)"
...Ummm, why? No one waiting in the wings to permanent take over first or third (Anderson is at least a season away) and Bailey is considered a back up. Lowell will NOT be available.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | September 02, 2008 at 02:27 AM
If Varitek is not back with the Sox in '09 because he signs a multi-year with the Dodgers I will personally do Boras' laundry until the end of Varitek's contract.
Posted by: PeteOverBondsHOF | September 02, 2008 at 07:45 AM
"Pitching-oriented catcher such as Jason Varitek"? Nichols law! Nichols law!
Varitek really does help the pitchers... on the other team.
Posted by: aap212 | September 02, 2008 at 08:05 AM
I would not rule out Varitek to LA. This is Scott Boras we are talking about. He dragged out the negotiations on Varitek's current contract for nearly six weeks, and there was no one else interested in Varitek. The way he helped Johnny Damon and Manny Ramirez out of town makes me think Varitek could be no different.
If the Sox truly want Varitek, they'll keep him by overpaying. Otherwise, they'll pursue one of the Rangers' catchers.
Posted by: Gstill45 | September 02, 2008 at 10:29 AM
I will echo the sentiments of others. Moving Martin would be a huge mistake.
The Dodgers should maximize his youth and good health and keep him behind the dish. Once he starts to show some wear look at moving him to a different club who needs a catcher.
Teams need to stop thinking about consequences 5-10 years down the road with individual players. It is becoming even more rare that players at age 33-35 are playing with the team they came up with. The Dodgers should look at how long they think they will be able to retain Martin (maybe up until FA) and determine if they believe he can catch that long. If so, let him catch. I would only move him if they thought he was going to break down prior to FA.
Posted by: bjsguess | September 02, 2008 at 12:10 PM
I agree that moving Martin at this point is a mistake, but not because he would somehow be a below average third baseman. Martin is an excellent defensive catcher, both at handling his staff and blocking the plate. His throwing is off this year, but much of that is the inability of his staff to hold runners on and Kent's inability to cover the bag as well as he used to.
Defensively, he is more than capable at third base and his slugging and running numbers would probably climb with the decreased wear and tear.
All that said, if the Dodgers are really considering moving Martin out from behind the plate, they should consider him at short, especially if Furcal doesn't resign. He is well known for taking infield at the position and obviously has the athletic ability and talent skill set to play there (agility, soft hands, strong arm).
Posted by: AA | September 02, 2008 at 01:39 PM
"Takashi Saito is mentioned as a free agent this winter, but I believe it's a situation where he can only re-sign, return to Japan, or retire."
AFAIK, Saito is arb eligible for the first time this year. I believe he qualifies as a straight 3 year player, not a super 2, because he was with the Dodgers the entire year in 2006 as opposed to just a portion of the season. I would guess he and the Dodgers work out a deal to avoid arb. Perhaps something around $2.5-$3 million a year?
Posted by: AA | September 02, 2008 at 05:47 PM
maybe not as a 1-for-1, but how about pierre for chavez??
money is close
pierre is better than anything a's have at leadoff, chavez could be revived as another bat instead of THE bat
Posted by: crash | September 02, 2008 at 06:43 PM
Most of the Japanese veterans who come over have situations where they do not become arb-eligible. I dont know Saito's exact situation though.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | September 02, 2008 at 06:55 PM
"maybe not as a 1-for-1, but how about pierre for chavez??
money is close
pierre is better than anything a's have at leadoff, chavez could be revived as another bat instead of THE bat"
The problem with Chavez is that the Dodgers may as well resign Blake and not worry about injuries.
I think any move with Pierre will be one as salary relief, because he does still have value to some teams, especially if they have a smaller outfield where is arm is less exposed.
"Most of the Japanese veterans who come over have situations where they do not become arb-eligible. I dont know Saito's exact situation though."
Remember, the Dodgers originally signed Saito as a minor league invitee. Since he had no MLB experience, he fell into the traditional MLB contract scheme instead of being signed as an outside free agent. That is why the Dodgers have renewed him (with some negotiation) the last 2 years, as opposed to signing him to an extension. Going very technically, I believe he now falls into the Arb structure.
Posted by: AA | September 02, 2008 at 07:58 PM