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The Rangers are next in our Offseason Outlook series. Their likely commitments for 2009:
C - Gerald Laird - $1.6MM+
C - Taylor Teagarden - $400K
1B - Chris Davis - $400K
2B - Ian Kinsler - $3MM
SS - Michael Young - $16MM
3B - Hank Blalock - $6.2MM club option, $250K buyout
IF - German Duran - $400K
IF - Joaquin Arias - $400K
LF - David Murphy - $400K
CF - Josh Hamilton - $400K
RF - Nelson Cruz - $400K
OF - Marlon Byrd - $1.8MM+
DH - Frank Catalanotto - $4MM
SP - Kevin Millwood - $11MM
SP - Vicente Padilla - $12MM
SP - Scott Feldman - $400K
SP - Brandon McCarthy -$405K+
SP - Dustin Nippert - $400K
RP - Joaquin Benoit - $3.5MM
RP - Frank Francisco - $775K+
RP - C.J. Wilson - $418K+
RP - Josh Rupe - $400K
RP - Warner Madrigal - $400K
RP - Wes Littleton - $400K
RP - Kameron Loe - $411K+
Other commitments: Julio Borbon - $325K, buyout for Kaz Fukumori - $200K
Other rotation candidates: Kason Gabbard - $400K, Matt Harrison - $400K
If Blalock is retained, the Rangers have $62.8MM committed before arbitration raises to Laird, Byrd, McCarthy, Francisco, Wilson, and Loe. So, payroll could near $70MM with the current group. The Rangers had an opening day payroll of $67.7MM.
The Rangers had a league-leading offense this year, but also the AL's worst pitching staff. Pitching is clearly the offseason priority.
The Rangers have the game's best catching surplus, with Laird, Teagarden, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, and Max Ramirez. The Red Sox, Royals, Marlins, and Reds might be looking for help at the position. It would not be surprising if Jon Daniels inquires on pitchers like Clay Buchholz, Zack Greinke, and Homer Bailey. However, Jamey Newberg raises a good point - the '09 rotation already has at least six viable candidates. Standing pat with the catcher surplus this winter would not be a crime.
I'm not sure how they'd fit in, but maybe the Rangers will pursue reclamation projects like Bartolo Colon or Freddy Garcia. Texas could also be an interesting longshot destination for C.C. Sabathia, if the Rangers are willing to raise payroll to secure their ace.
The offense has two question marks in Blalock and Milton Bradley. Is it worth $6MM to give Blalock one more chance? He's having a strong September and could be used at first base or DH if necessary.
Bradley presents a trickier decision. He requires multiple guaranteed years, and he's been an incredible offensive force this season. He's driving toward his first 500 plate appearance season since '04, battling numerous injuries despite only playing 20 games in the field. Does two years, $20MM plus incentives get it done? Otherwise the Rangers might have to let their best hitter sign elsewhere.
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I don't think Homer Bailey and Zach Greinke belong in the same sentence. Homer, on his own, won't fetch one of the Rangers catchers.
Posted by: MickS | September 23, 2008 at 04:50 PM
Tim, just wondering: is the reason you did not include Jarrod Saltalamacchia on their 2009 roster indicate you strongly believe he will be traded this offseason, or just an honest mistake?
I do agree that they will move one of their catchers for a pitcher, although Laird would be the one who will go.
Posted by: Ink&Paper | September 23, 2008 at 04:57 PM
You are killing me Tim! How are you not going to lump Cain into that group? It seems that its always Greinke, Cain, or Buchholz that swirl with the Rangers.
The question I have for Rangers fans is how do you feel about trading away farm pieces for young controllable proven SP?
Out of the above 3 mentioned, who would you prefer, and what would you be willing to offer?
Posted by: The Juice | September 23, 2008 at 05:00 PM
I don't follow the Rangers that much, but I would say that they're my #2 team so here's what I would do.
#1. Milton Bradley - He's had some health problems but when he's played he's been pretty nasty. He's earned a "multi-year" contract
#2. Hank Blalock - When he's healthy he's good. I'd see if he'd take a cheaper contract if his option was declined. Either way, I'd have him at 1B when the season started.
#3. Third Base - I'm not really clear on this situation. Let the young guys slug it out for the spot or maybe sign Casey Blake. Like I said, I don't have alot of info here.
#4. Pitching - Get a reliable starter and 'pen arm. Maybe trade one of the surplus cathers or even sign a FA. Lowe fits with just about every team this offseason and a reliable bullpen arm or two here would make a big difference.
Like I said, I don't follow the Rangers too much but I've always liked them. Just looking on the surface, I don't think what I've said is too unreasonable.
Posted by: bravesfan91 | September 23, 2008 at 05:02 PM
I don't see Bradley on the Rangers next year. I think the Rangers take the draft picks and move on. Tim I agree on the possible acquisition of Buchholz or Blake.
Wonder if Derek Holland is a Ranger in 2009.
Posted by: Mike Simms | September 23, 2008 at 05:07 PM
Texas needs to save it's offensive prospects for pitching trades. It's going to be darn near impossible to lure a FA pitcher into that park. The FA's that they have signed to pitch have generally been downright awful.
On the flip side, Texas presents a unique opportunity for offensive players to come on short-term contracts and boost their value. Bradley is just the most recent example of that.
Most importantly, they have to figure out how to dump M. Young's contract. That might end up being the equivalent of the Zito contract before all is said and done. They are on the hook for $16m/year until 2013. Considering how Young's OPS has dropped from 898 (2005), 815 (2006), 784 (2007), 728 (2008) he is just looking to be an awful player in the years to come. Throw in that his defense is Jeter-esque (living off reputation not off performance) and you have a real recipe for disaster.
Posted by: bjsguess | September 23, 2008 at 05:18 PM
If Scott Olsen is available then i would expect the Rangers to go aggressively after him.
Posted by: BaseballFanatic40 | September 23, 2008 at 05:46 PM
Can Chris Davis legitimately stick at 3B?
Posted by: aGIANTfan | September 23, 2008 at 06:02 PM
Derek Lowe would be a good fit because his high ground ball rate would play well in the homer happy ballpark in Arlington. Let Bradley go you do not need hitting. They should focus all their resources on pitching. Next year they need to continue to let their farm to develop and make a run for it in 2010.
bjsguess I agree with you on Michael Young he needs to be traded.(Dodgers?, Giants? maybe)
They need to unload Padilla and Millwood for salary relief.
Posted by: metsfan | September 23, 2008 at 06:02 PM
Milton Bradley does not deserve a multi-year deal, and any GM that gives him one is nuts. At the very most, if I were a GM, I'd give Bradley the same contract Frank Thomas got from the Jays - 2/18 with a 10m option that vests based on PA. If he hits the open market, Bradley is definitely somebody the Jays should be players on - he won't require the massive commitment and methinks Cito could handle his personality - I'd never recommend it Gibbons was still around.
Posted by: 92-93 | September 23, 2008 at 06:04 PM
The Rangers will also have a top 15 draft pick next year so they will not lose it when they sign a type A free Agent like Derek Lowe.
Posted by: metsfan | September 23, 2008 at 06:13 PM
I highly doubt this, but if Young's salary is as bad as you say, I'm sure the Giants would consider trading their poor contract (Zito) for Young's.
Posted by: The Juice | September 23, 2008 at 06:17 PM
I think it would be a major mistake for the Rangers to go into next season with that kind of surplus. When you have as many holes as the Rangers have its rather foolish to hold on to four catchers (more like three though since Ramirez projects more as a 1B/Dh type from what I've read)
Holding on to prospects has been great for the Angels, they've had a number of players that could have brought back solid returns, but instead held them till they were pretty much worthless.
It also worked well for the Reds back when they had Dunn, Kearns, Griffey, Pena and Casey...back when all five had value.
The Rangers need to pick the best of the lot and deal the rest. Personally I believe I would keep Teagarden and Ramirez.
Liard has the least value to a rebuilding team like the Rangers...why pay millions when you can get similar production for minimum.
Salty and Teagarden both have good value and either would get a good pitching prospect in return, I believe Teagarden is the superior catcher and that he will hit enough to warrent the job. Catcher you should always go defense first as long as the glove guy isn't a complete zero with the bat.
I think Ramirez has the least value of the four, because he really hasn't done anything at the ML level and teams may see him as more a 1B. So I'd keep him and let him build up some value as a 1B/C/DH getting around 300-400 ABs
While I think Boston will be the winner I hope that a Bailey/Salty deal could happen for the Reds. Neither kid has really delivered for their teams, but both still are well regarded.
Bailey goes home and perhaps figures things out, he has shown some flashes, but right now he's probably in the race to be the Reds number 5 starter, and when you are starting Paul Bako behind the plate you need more. As a switch hitter Salty would break up the Reds lefties and hopefully become a solid offensive option for them.
I just don't think teams are lining up to deal proven players for Salty with what he's shown at the ML level and that the Rangers would be better served keeping Teagarden who right now could probably fetch more.
Posted by: schellis | September 23, 2008 at 06:56 PM
bradley should be the top priority. he's earned a multiyear contract this season
blalock should be cut. at third they could probably get away with moving kinsler over there, young to second, and trying elvis andrus at shortstop. if that fails then i bet they could use arias as a stopgap for him.
and i'm all for dealing salty and max ramirez for pitching help. putting together a package for a grienke, cain, bucholz would be a nice coup.
after that, i think they should trade padilla while his value is fairly decent. they could probably swing a decent prospect for him. then i'd throw about 20 a year for 4 (maybe 5) years or so at sabathia to come in and be an ace. then go out and sign a proven set up man as well. my theory there is the set up guy could have some closing experience and mentor wilson a little bit. the kid has good stuff but has a tendency to overthrow. he could use someone to get advice from (besides eddie guardado). don't forget about guys like matt harrison and neftali feliz either. here's what i'm thinking for the 09 squad
sabathia
millwood
grienke/cain/bucholz/whoever they get
feliz/mccarthy/harrison for the last two slots
wilson
proven set up guy (is wheeler still going to be a free agent?)
francisco
feldman
rupe
benoit
a lefty they can find somewhere in their system
kinsler 3rd
young 2nd
hamilton cf
bradley dh
davis 1b
cruz rf
murphy lf
teagarden c
andrus ss
and then arias, boggs, laird, catalanotto on the bench
input?
Posted by: boomshwa12 | September 23, 2008 at 07:31 PM
o and btw, a deal involving salty/ramirez for pitching help would be a package deal of some sort. i realize salty alone for some of those guys is unfair, but i think he'd make a nice piece to the puzzle along with some other quality prospects
Posted by: boomshwa12 | September 23, 2008 at 07:33 PM
"Can Chris Davis legitimately stick at 3B?"
I believe, if memory serves correctly, he was drafted as a 3B. However, his defense there is suspect, as he tends to struggle there a bit. But I mean, Miguel Cabrera managed to stick in 3rd for a while, and his D is awful. I know Davis and Miggy are not even close at all skill-wise, but I just thought I'd point that out.
In the long-run, however, I don't believe he'd be their solution at 3rd.
Posted by: Ink&Paper | September 23, 2008 at 07:42 PM
Will Andrus be ready by next season? I thought he was projected to be up mid to late 2009 but there in 2010.
Posted by: metsfan | September 23, 2008 at 07:43 PM
Will Andrus be up in the beginning of 2009? I thought he was projected to be up mid to late 2009 but here by 2010.
Posted by: metsfan | September 23, 2008 at 07:46 PM
The rangers already tried the jason jennings reclamation project, and trading padilla may be a good idea(the only real successful rec.project!)
Posted by: taarboy | September 23, 2008 at 07:51 PM
that's the projection, they may want a stopgap shortstop for the time being. andrus had a pretty good year at AA though, so i would think he'd get a look, if not a shot at ss in spring training
Posted by: boomshwa12 | September 23, 2008 at 07:54 PM
Boomshwa12, the Rangers are not going to be even close in getting Sabathia. Nor Sheets. Nor Burnett. Nor Lowe, even.
Point of the matter is, it is rare to find a pitcher WANTING to pitch in Arlington simply because, well, it's the best HR park in the AL. If anything, I would think that the Rangers, if they were to go and sign an FA pitcher, should go after a groundball pitcher. With good control. Similar to Lowe. Maybe even Livan Hernandez, although he still did pitch terrible in the pitcher's park that the Twins call their home.
But back to what I was saying, there is no way that the Rangers can pony up the money to sign Sabathia, as his first preference is playing near his west coast home, and being able to hit.
But no,
Posted by: Ink&Paper | September 23, 2008 at 07:58 PM
Unless the Rangers are willing to trade Davis, I don't see them in the mix for Cain.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | September 23, 2008 at 08:03 PM
@ Schellis
What players should the Angels have traded?
Let's see
-Kotchman was their starting 1B and was flipped for Tex.
-Kendrick is their starting 2B.
-Aybar is their starting SS.
-Figgins is their starting 3B.
-Napoli/Mathis split time as starting catchers.
-K-Rod has been their closer.
-Saunders/Weaver/Santana have all made huge contributions in their starting rotation.
Exactly what young prospects have the Angels held onto and then been burned by not trading them? Willits maybe?
It's real easy to say that the Angels have mishandled their young talent. I read it all the time. Unfortunately, people have a real hard time backing up that argument.
Posted by: bjsguess | September 23, 2008 at 08:11 PM
I do agree with others that moving a catcher (or 2) is necessary. Flip two of them for a couple of young arms. I think a guy like Bailey would be an ideal target. Could Bailey be had for Laird? Then Salty for Buccholz?
That would be a great start to a high upside rotation.
Posted by: bjsguess | September 23, 2008 at 08:14 PM
The Angels definately have miss handled Willits, when you keep going out and signing big name FA OFs is there any real reason to hold on to him when you have some other holes that could be filled.
McPerson is another, now he has been poor, but there were times when he could have brought back a nice return and I feel Brandon Wood is heading that way as well.
There have been a few bullpen guys and starters that could have brought back something as well
I just hate seeing young talent have to sit behind vets for years especially when they're more then ready.
As for Bailey for Liard I don't believe that is possible. Liard isn't much better then what the Reds have ran out there this year. I'd let Ryan Hannigan and Wilkin castillo split the catchers duties before I overpay for a year or two of Liard.
Since the Sox are fairly well stocked I could see them dealing Buchholz or Masterson for Salty though.
Posted by: schellis | September 23, 2008 at 08:38 PM
Bradley and his fragile body are redundant due to the much cheaper presence of Max Ramirez.
I hope Feldman and Harrison aren't part of the rotation next year. They have to have the weakest arms I've seen. I don't see any difference between Harrison and John Koronka and John Rheinecker, except Harrison is way more overhyped than they were when they started out. Talk about flutterballers.
I don't know why, but McCarthy became extremely injury-prone only after he came to us. He's a write-off.
That leaves guys like Hurley, Mendoza, Loe, Tommy Hunter, Doug Mathis etc. as rotation candidates. Ugh. Hurley got pounded two years in a row in OKC, especially getting killed this year. Hurley looked good after only being called up due to injuries. I'd be surprised if Hurley didn't make the rotation this year. After that, it's pretty clear we need to go outside the organization for viable starting prospects until Feliz and Holland and Kiker etc. are ready.
I think only one of Loe and Littleton will be in the bullpen as we need a 2nd lefty. A.J. Murray might offer the versatility of being a lefty specialist as well as being able to start in a pinch.
Posted by: rangerchick | September 23, 2008 at 08:48 PM
If we are talking about these teams wanting a catcher so bad, don't you think that Kelly Shoppach should be in the mix as well? Shapiro would jump if he could give up Shoppach and a Laffey or Lewis for one of those starters.
Posted by: Adam | September 23, 2008 at 10:12 PM
"McPerson is another, now he has been poor, but there were times when he could have brought back a nice return and I feel Brandon Wood is heading that way as well."
Yes McPherson was poor for the Angels, but how can you blame a guy for having a injury-plagued back. He was dominating the minors for years and the Angels thought he would be a superstar... He still can (by the way) since he is sill quite young... if you didn't know, he is in the Marlins organization and hit 40 HRs in AAA this year.
As for Wood, he is starting to hit the ball consistently... he cut down on his strikeouts (something McPherson was unable to do)... and is hitting for power too, so I think he's adjusting to MLB pitching very well. We could see him as soon as next year in the starting lineup.
"There have been a few bullpen guys and starters that could have brought back something as well"
Name them... cuz I cant think of any. I see Arredondo who has a 1.54 ERA, Bulger who has had dominating outings, Jepsen who has a 1.69 ERA in limited play, and as for starters, Santana, Saunders & Weaver are a combined 43-23 with a 3.65 ERA. That seems solid to me.
Posted by: #1 Angels Fan | September 23, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Untouchables should be Davis, Feliz, Holland, Main, Andrus, and Teagarden.
Some people suggest on here that Andrus should be involved in some trades for top pitching. First, the Rangers WILL need a SS by the end of next season. Second, just because the above guys are untouchable doesn't mean that the rest of the prospects in the system aren't top flight.
If a team can't get top flight pitching in exchange for guys like Salty, Laird, Ramierz, Cruz, Borbon, Beltre, Duran, and Vallejo. Then the Rangers don't know how to trade or the other team is carzy/stupid. Those guys could easily be at the top of most teams prospect lists if it weren't for the Rangers' depth in the system.
That being said... Cain, Bailey, Olsen, or Bucholz could easily be had for a mix of those guys. Heck, Bailey and Bucholz BOTH could be in reach.
Posted by: rangersvoice | September 23, 2008 at 11:44 PM
I think the Rangers have to make a decision on which way they want to go next year. Do they add a SP or two via FA and try for the playoffs next year, or do they try and move some of these big contracts and trade for younger players and look towards 2011 or 2012?
I think whichever way you go, there are two things that have to be done-let Bradley walk and try and trade Blalock. Bradley has hit very well this year, but I wouldn't want to bet a multi-year deal on him staying healthy. Nelson Cruz should be able to approximate Bradley's production, and for less than 1/10th the cost of this season(and like 1/20th of what Bradley would cost next year).
Blalock I'd try and move to a team in need of a 3B, like maybe Minnesota? I wouldn't expect a ton back for him, maybe a guy like Glen Perkins? Anyway, if I couldn't get a pitcher back for Blalock, I'd probably buyout his option for the $250K required. So what to do at 3B? Well, you could either go for a platoon of Vazquez/Duran(pass) or look for a 3B via a trade. I'd target Edwin Encarnacion in a deal with the Reds. Laird won't be enough on his own, but if you pair him with one of the many C+/B- type prospect the Rangers have, I think you could get a deal done.
That would set your infield as Davis/Kinsler/Young/EE from first to third, not a bad group at all. Behind the plate I'd stick with Teagarden as the catcher, he's the best defender of the 4 C's the Rangers have, plus he's got enough pop to make him useful. Ramirez I'd keep as the backup C/1B and I'd get him some work at DH as well, ideally 350-400 AB's next year. So what to do with Salty? Move him to the Red Sox seems to be the most popular idea, and I don't disagree with it. I know that Buchholz is the prize everyone seems to want, but I'd rather grab a couple of guys in a deal instead. Justin Masterson is a pitcher that is made for Texas, he generates TONS of groundballs, and that means no chance for a HR. He's definitely someone I'd want in a deal, along with probably Josh Reddick and maybe a lower tier guy. Masterson can step into the rotation as probably your #4 starter, or the #5 spot, depending on if you got a guy like Perkins for Blalock.
So what do you do with the rest of the rotation? Millwood is stuck here for 2 more years probably, until his contract runs out. Padilla.....I think could be moved this offseason. He's got one year left at $12M with an option for 2010 and a $1.75M buyout. I think if you cover the buyout amount in a deal you could move him. Why move him? Well, so you can pickup 2 pitchers on the FA market that should both be much better-Ben Sheets and Derek Lowe. I know, Sheets has the injury history, but I'd rather pay him $15M a year for 25-28 very good starts than pay Padilla $12M for 28-30 average starts. Sheets slots in as your #1, with Millwood and Lowe following in some order. Lowe is like Masterson in that he can generate lots of groundballs and limit HRs. So you'd have Sheets/Lowe/Millwood/Perkins/Masterson. You can compete with type of rotation.
The infield is squared away already(although paying Young $16M a year thru 2012 will suck), so how about the OF? We know that Hammy has CF locked down for now(eventually a move to RF will happen), and with Bradley gone RF is open for the taking. Nelson Cruz should be able to replicate Bradley's numbers so that is taken care of. LF? I'd go with Murphy vs. righties and either Byrd or Boggs vs. lefties(depends on if you want to pay Byrd $2m+). With Ramirez getting some AB's at C and DH, you're going to need someone else to cover the DH AB's, so bring up John Mayberry. He kills lefties, posting an OPS of 1.094 vs. them this year in AA and AAA, and his MLE vs. LHP for this year puts him at an OPS of .925-definitely worthwhile. He can get some at bats vs. RHP too, but with him and either Byrd or Boggs the OF is covered from the bench and you've got guys to cover the DH spot. I'd go with Arias and Duran to round out the bench, cheap INF options that cover your bases.
For the pen, I'd slide Harrison to LR, Nippert would be groomed to close, so work him in the 7th with Wilson, Francisco, and Benoit for late innigs too. Loe and maybe Feldman round it out.
McCarthy needs a change of scenery, along with Hurley. I like Hurley, but he's too HR proned to fit here, Maybe flip him to SD for a RP? With all the talented arms in the system(Holland, Feliz, Ramirez, Kiker, Main, Beaven, Poveda, etc), moving Hurley and McCarthy won't hurt.
Posted by: gatling | September 24, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Why on earth would the Twins part with a young starter for Blalock? Buscher is better than Blalock already.
Homer Bailey is awful.
Nippert groomed to close ? LOL, that is the funniest thing I have heard yet. The clown shouldn't even be in the majors.
Posted by: kinsler5 | September 24, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Well, I am a little embarrassed to admit I actually read your entire post Gatling, but the one thing I found ridiculous is that you naturally assume that Nelson Cruz "can replicate Bradley's numbers". Are you for real? Do you realize that Bradley has a .439 OBP? .439! That is absurd. On top of that he is slugging .565, and when you put those two numbers together you get an OPS of .1004!
I will write you a personal apology note if you can tell me the last time a player with roughly 440 AB's and a career Major League OBP, Slugging %, and OPS of .282/.385/.667 essentially doubled his numbers in a full-time role? In case you are confused those are Nelson Cruz's stats in his combined 3 Major League seasons. WOW!
Posted by: The Juice | September 24, 2008 at 09:53 PM
The Juice-
Replicate probably was too strong of a word, I probably should have repeated the word "approximate" which I used in the first paragraph. I don't think you will get much of a dropoff from Cruz to Bradley really, especially when you factor in the cost differential. If my choice is Cruz at league minimum(or thereabouts) or Bradley at $8M+(possibly over $10M based on this year), I'm taking Cruz everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.
For the example you asked for, I'm not going to dig really deep to get a perfect match, but a guy that instantly jumped in my head was Ryan Ludwick. Prior to last year in STL, Ludwick had a career line of .237/.295/.416/.711 in the bigs over 334 AB's. He was alot like Cruz, guys that produced in the minors but never got a real shot. Ludwick has posted an OPS of .850 over the last two years at league minimum price. Not an exact match for the numbers you mentioned, but it took me like 2 seconds to think of Ludwick and find the similarities.
If you want to take 440 odd AB's and say that Cruz can't hit, that's fine. I prefer to work with bigger sample sizes, so the 2600 MiLB AB's where he OPS'd over .900 tells me there is a hitter in there. The guy has cut his K rate over the last two years and improved his walk rate. Cruz also has health in his favor.
Not sure that any of that will convince you, but check out this from Jamey Newberg, which I believe was linked on this site last week or so.
http://www.newbergreport.com/article.asp?articleid=1152
Posted by: gatling | September 26, 2008 at 12:03 PM
rangers need to let bradley walk, he had a good year but was always hurt. get cruz and borbon into the outfield and wait on the young pitchers unless you can land a young ace like C.C.
Posted by: frisco-drillers | September 30, 2008 at 01:28 PM
To answer the question about the omission of Salty...it was neither a mistake nor an indication of a trade. After all, I mentioned him in the body of the article. The rosters in the Offseason Outlooks are predicted Opening Day 25-man rosters using only internal candidates. Right now I don't have Salty as #1 or #2 on the catching depth chart.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | October 01, 2008 at 12:10 PM