Manny Ramirez Notes

He may be a clubhouse cancer, but damn does he produce. Even when he's "dogging it" he still puts up beastly numbers.

If the game is all about winning, and the Mets/Yankees want to make the playoffs, you go for Manny.

That being said, anything more than 4 years with an option for a 5th is extreme overkill. Really, more than 3 years with 1-2 options is somewhat ridiculous.

As for the years, I am betting Manny goes for a deal that has options just like he did the last time.

"If there is a god in heaven i pray that one of the n.y. teams gives that selfish predator 5 years."

How soon we forget who the best player on the team was. For his entire time there.

"He may be a clubhouse cancer, but damn does he produce."

According to what the Dodgers have been saying, there is nothing cancerous about his clubhouse presence.

Ah yes, the old "my girlfriend is sleeping with my brother" syndrome. Guess we've all been there a few times, eh?

"manny helped but i firmly believe we win 2 titles even without him."

You apparently are not old enough to have seen much of the Red Sox before 2004. It wasn't just Manny's production, but the "who cares" attitude he and Pedro brought to that team that change the culture. You can MAYBE argue that a lesser hitter in Manny's spot last year would have still given the Sox a chance, but there is absolutely no way in hell that the 2004 team wins without him.

"Except that Manny played 100 games for the Sox this year..."

And was, as usual, the team's best player.

"Also defending someone who attacks teamates and elderly men who also lies and quit on his team shows a major lack of character on your part unless you are a lawyer."

I'm defending his behavior off the field, and I'm surprised you would insinuate that.

My point was that many Bahstahn fans act like they're thrilled Manny is gone when in reality he was arguably the best player on the team and the biggest the reason the Sox won those 2 championships.

I don't know much about the Red Sox clubhouse culture, but it seems like a lot of people consider Kevin Youkilis the jerk of that team. Plus if you are, for example, the Dpdgers, I wouldn't put too much stock into how Manny dogged it in Boston. He has worked hard and been the MVP of both leagues since August so I'd be inclined to believe that if he is in a city where his family can go out and watch a movie without getting hassled he'll be an All-Star for the next 3 years.

"I don't know much about the Red Sox clubhouse culture, but it seems like a lot of people consider Kevin Youkilis the jerk of that team."

Even if that were true and I can't confirm or deny Youk gives 100% ever minute he is on the field.

Lol at Redsox fans. Certain ones anyway.

Your "dynasty" is nothing without Manny, and the reason you are there without him this year (for a third of this year that is) is because you got someone who is also good (not manny good, seems as almost no one is), and the future is now for boston, as many of their young players are coming up and playing very well.

"Also defending someone who attacks teamates and elderly men who also lies and quit on his team shows a major lack of character on your part unless you are a lawyer."

Wow, now it is obvious you are a moron.

"players as important as manny in boston 2004; big papi, damon, pedro,lowe, schill, and foulke(who should have been mvp) 2007; big papi, beckett, schill, lowell,papelbon, and drew(just kidding). 2009; big papi, youkillis, pedroia, dice-k, lester, bay, and papelbon."

Who was it that protected Ortiz all that time? Who drove Damon in? Who was the WS MVP? Who didn't need to doctor up a sock to look relevant?

I have said it before. The Mets should offer Manny a 2 year deal, worth 56 million, with a team option for the 3rd year with a 10mm buyout. Way I see it, you will get a good year one from Manny. It won't be until after that, that he starts to cause problems, if he does cause problems. In year 2, he would be making 26 mil, but he would be playing for 30 mil for the 3rd year. If he has 2 dominant seasons, he still won't walk because it is unlikely that he could get a 20 million dollar deal at age 39, plus the 10 mil buyout to reach the 30 he would be making in NY. If the Mets are willing to pay the 3rd year option, then Manny has obviously produced, so all parties are happy. If he becomes a problem in year 2, you bite the bullet and buy him out for 10 mil. He is playing in his hometown NY, where there is a large hispanic community, and where there are a lot of other latino's on the Met team. I think Manny would get along fine with guys like Reyes, Delgado and Beltran. Omar Minaya has always loved Manny, so he would do anything he could to make sure he is happy and hitting. Jerry Manuel is a big time player friendly manager, so I don't see a problem there. There are certainly risks, but the pro's are outweigh the con's, and for Manny's production, that is a chance I am willing to take.

If A-Rod can get 30 mil over 10 years, I gladly give Manny 25-28 for 3 years. Gladly.

I'd do 2/56MM with options. I'd add in an option for a 4th year as well, so he'll pretty much retire a Met/whatever team signs him. My main qualm is with any team giving Manny a lot of YEARS.

Manny is just as much of a hitter as A-Rod. And, he's actually big in postseason situations. I'd much rather give Manny 25-28MM for 3 years than Dunn/Burrell/whoever less for 5-6 years.

I know I'm just getting into this argument on the whole Manny debate, but I agree with melonis rex. 25 players is absolutely needed to get to the playoffs, and win of course... But 1 player can "push you over the edge". Look at Arod and the Yankees in 07; Without him, the Yankees wouldn't have gotten into the playoffs, but since he had possibly the best year of his career, they got in. Manny helped the Sox in so many different ways, especially his unworldly offensive numbers. Yes, Ortiz was good while Manny was in Boston, but he was a different player when Manny was around, and so were the Red Sox. If the Red Sox still had Manny, they'd be headed to the WS and be winning their 3rd in 5 years. He provided that presence in a lineup that Bay just doesn't give, like having a Joe Crede in a lineup instead of Alex Rodriguez. It just doesn't compare. Boston wouldn't be where it is now without Manny Ramirez, possibly the greatest right handed hitter in MLB history.

Ramierez was great in a RS uniform, he pulled his weight (along with Ortiz, no more than production wise) and had a poor attitude, no less, no more. Martinez was the same way as a pitcher, just like Schilling has/had the exact personality like Ortiz does towards the press vs Ramirez.

No sense in having a 30+ post argument back and forth with the same old things being passed back and forth, we all know Ramirez was invaluable to both '04 and '07 WS championships, as Pedro was the '04 one, poor attitudes and all.

Redsox Dynasty...

Everything i read from you prompts me to ask if you are older than 15 or 16, or just a really stupid adult.

It is just amazing to me that you can have a HOFer as great as Manny, have him be one of the few biggest reasons you win 2 world series, and then just trash him after he is traded.

Get some class.

ncyankeefan- A's to game 5 was in 2003, when the Red Sox were again VERY close to a WS (I think they took the Yanks to 7 in 2003, although they lost, I might be wrong though).

In 2004- Red Sox swept Angels in ALDS then took Yanks to 7 in ALCS.

So yeah, I agree with you.

opwie- Way to stereotype people. And, way to claim that wealth is a precursor for intelligence. Yay blanket statements.

melonis rex - you're right. that was 2003 w/ the A's. 2004 they swept the Angels in the div series. When you hit 30 yr old the years just blend.

"They would have won even if manny was a Yankee because they would have plotted and schemed and laid out the bucks for some other great hitter to join their team."

wow...that's quite an assumption. The facts are that manny was on the sox and they won. And a fact that Manny is one of the best postseason performers ever.

I don't want Manny either, but to disregard his accomplishments are just wrong.