Padres To Explore Peavy Deals With Cubs, Dodgers

"bills/kershaw/mcdonald/eith/kemp/dewitt/martin/loney/brox."

That won't happen. Dodgers are intradivision, and thus it will cost more. And, you have to give up value to get value anyways.

Yeah, I'm thinking either:

1. He is a Padres next year
2. The Braves agree to give up Hanson
3. He falls in the Cubs lap, which I doubt will happen, but thats a serious advantage.

The Cubs just do not have the talent in their minor leagues to acquire Peavy. Pie is no longer a top rated prospect. I don't not see Samardzija being sent to Sand Diego.

Veal, Marshall, Cedeno, Castillo, Pie for Peavy? I doubt that is enough.

Veal and Marshall would solidify SD's back end of the rotation. Castillo is projected as being a solid catcher, which is a position SD has struggled with over the past few seasons. And Pie, who is not the top prospect everyone was hoping for, still would give SD a young,athletic outfielder to cover their spacious park. And Cedeno would allow SD to move Greene and get even more prospects.

but still, Peavy is one of the best pitchers in baseball, it would probably take more MLB ready talent of a higher caliber to get him.

If any Peavy trade to the Cubs were to happen, a 3 way deal makes the most sense. Still, a lot of things would have to line up even for that scenerio. Just the thought of Peavy in a Cub uniform is great. But I will hold off the excitement and not believe this rumor yet. All they are doing is exploring possibilities. The stars and moon would have to line up on this this one.

I think Peavy may be damaged goods. It sure seems strange the Padres are trading him with such a reasonable contract.

"I think Peavy may be damaged goods. It sure seems strange the Padres are trading him with such a reasonable contract."

San Diego is trying to cutdown payroll. Even though his contract is reasonable they are still trying to cut it down by I think 40% or something like that. Also Peavy wants to be traded to a contender. He doesn't want to be a part of the rebuilding process out in San Diego.

i wonder wether the red sox are gonna have a look at penny, he could be another "rebuilding project" like colon if they can get him cheap

If thats the case, I feel sorry for the Padre fans. Peavy's a stud and would be a great pick up for any team if he's healthy. I wonder if Peavy will ask for his contract to be re-structured by the team that takes him?

i've said before that i don't think the cubs have what it takes to get him, and i still believe that. however, doesn't this sound like the padres are almost desperate to unload him? i know towers was absolutely disgusted with how the season went, and the owner's divorce, whether they admit it publicly or not, is likely going to affect payroll. if that is true, and obviously i'm speculating, does that mean that the padres settle for something less than what they could get? i think the twins overplayed their hand a bit with santana, are the padres in danger of doing the same thing? still, who knows if the braves are just posturing right now. but, i don't think they are. and, trading him to the dodgers obviously ups the price tag with the whole "in the division" thing. the dodgers probably feel they can just spend the money on sabathia/lowe/sheets etc. instead of draining the farm system. the dodgers do have a track record for holding onto their young players instead of trading them, don't they? peavy's NTC is kind of holding them for ransom, and if they're dead set on trading him, then maybe it's doable. i still doubt it, but i'm still salivating about the possibility. that's a great rotation:

peavy
z
lilly
harden
marquis

i think they lose dempster should they get peavy and maybe wood as well, though i really have a hard time believing wood goes elsewhere.

If it going to happen I hope they can have both. Dempster may not have another career year but he is a great guy in the club house and eases everybody around him. Then you have Peavy who is easily one of the best pitches in baseball. But once again, Cub Fans, we shouldn't get our hopes up.

100backeduptrucks-until recently the dodgers didnt have really a track record of holding onto their prized prospects. but i do think the dodgers will benefit from towers desperate unloading seeing as he wants to explore clubs outside peavys preference. my thinking is that if towers wasnt desperate, then he would stand pat with the 5 teams peavy picked and if nothing came up then he would be fine but i think peavy will be outta san diego. atlanta wont pony up and at the last moment SD will take the best offer they can get and the dodgers will get him.

SD wants young pitching but if they truly are desperate to deal Peavy it's conceivable that they would settle for a top young hitting prospect whom they could turn into young pitching. Vitters, if he's included in the deal, would go a long way toward filling in the gaps. It's not idea for SD but they do need hitting.

More likely Vitters would have to be moved to a third team to bring back the pitching that SD wants. Marshall is a descent young pitcher but he's not going to get it done. And saying that Marshall would put up good numbers in Petco isn't really saying much, almost any pitcher is going to put up good numbers in Petco. It's not really a compliment. I could probably keep my era under 6.00 there.

Peavy would NEVER agree to a trade to Texas, end of story.

Of course the Yanks have to get a mention. What about not wanting to pitch in the AL do you people not understand??? Seriously, the guy wants to pitch in the NL, I know it is difficult to comprehend, but it is a fact. And who cares who the Cubs get, they're the Cubs, they will fail anyway.

phroz-fair enough about the dodgers, but i was thinking about how loney, ethier, kemp, kershaw, billingsley were always untouchable and that has obviously turned out well for them. at the same time, however, colletti has had some serious FA signings be busts (pierre, jones, schmidt) and maybe he doesn't want to spend big money again with someone like sabathia. i could see it going either way. i agree though that towers is desperate and will unload him for the best he can get, i just have my doubts that the dodgers will part with their young players. but, what do i know?

njbraves,

Have you ever thought that Towers can contact Cushman, and they can get one of the five teams to make it a three team trade?

^ hilarious

100trucks-your right what do you know? what do i know? this is all speculation. at the end of the day i feel like this could turn into a mannyesque trade in which the dodgers dont really sell the farm in getting peavy. i mean they didnt give up anything to get manny. (granted that the pirates were involved in getting bay to the sox) also i think anyone "untouchable" that the dodgers send to the padres would be due for a huge raise in arbitration; thus raising payroll in SD which is something they are trying to shed

usc trojans, Seriously? JJ, Hanson, and Escobar?? Great idea, I'm sure Frank Wren will jump all over that proposal, you should see if you can contact him directly, there might be a future job in MLB for a mind like yours.

usctrojans,

Impossible, since Wren already said that Hanson and Jurrjens aren't going anywhere.

njbraves,

Do you have an IQ of like a 4 year old? Because, you can't read.

The Padres aren't going to trade Peavy in the same division and not get a top prospect. If Peavy goes to the Dodgers and Colletti doesn't have to give up any young studs, Towers loses some respect in my book.

not every deal is consumated with top prospects. it is incumbant on the team dealng the top talen to have a great scouting department to where they can say to the team receiving the top talent, keep your jurjjens and hanson. we dont want them. we want these 4 guys. yeah, they are only in A ball, but our scouting dept feels they will be better players than any other "top notch" talent you are offering. sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't, but you have to trust your scouts. do you know how many teams had the opportunity to get soto away from the cubs but they never accepted the deal? now padres fans are saying any deal for peavy would require soto to be in it. it all starts with scouting.

Would the Padres listen to a package of; Felix Pie, Sean Marshall, Rich Hill, Kevin Hart, and Ronnie Cedeno?

I think that its overblown looking at it like the have to trade him. Towers is doing his job by exploring whats best for the club. If the front office believes that we have to rebuild in order to contented in the near future, Peavy has said he doesnt want to be part of the rebuilding process. And no one has come out and said the Padres are rebuilding, so why would Kevin Towers get desperate. Peavy either stays or the Padres get close to what they want. Two possible frontline SP and a middle infielder.

And the Cubs might be able to pull it off, if they can come up with another good arm, not a back of the rotation type, SD has plenty of those in Geer/Leblanc/Banks/Reineke and others in AA that project mid to back of the rotation Imman/Buschmann/Garrison/Faris, so in other words we have 8 arms for three spots. But we lack anyone close that projects to top of the rotation. In fact Latos, is the only one with that rank and he is about 3 years away.

If the Cubs need a 3-way trade to get Peavy, the Astros have a better chance at getting a 3-way trade done. We have better MLB commodities we can trade for prospects that can go to San Diego--Valverde! Also, Pence is a much better player than Pie.

Plus, Houston is Peavy's first choice.

mistyck-if you were to trade valverde and pence, who takes over those positions? do you really want to trade the closer that had such a grat year for your team just to take on a starter? and pence is too good of a young talent to be willing to trade him. somehow the astros are a really good team. i wouldnt be surprised if they could compete next year without him if they go out and get a FA starting pitcher or two.

Zambrano
Harden
Peavy
Lilly
Samardjizza?

that's dirty.

"Vitters, Pie, and their pick of Marshall/Gaudin/Ceda/Veal gets this done."

No it won't the one place the Padres have good depth is 3B so Vitters would be of little interest to the Padres. Its hard to sell anyone that Pie is still a top prospect and the Padres want 2 ML ready pitchers in the deal.

Pence can be replaced by either getting a FA like Hairston or Burrell or internal options of either Bogusevic or moving Wigginton to RF. Bogusevic is projected to be better than Pence. Just take a look at his AFL numbers. Valverde can be replaced by Hawkins, Gervacio, Paulino or Nieve.

The Astros will probably add another FA pitcher like Hampton, but they aren't going to compete for Sabathia, Sheets, Burnett or Lowe.

Another wildcard in all of this is the owner Drayton McLane loves Roy Oswalt and will do near anything to keep him happy and that includes trading Valverde and Pence for Peavy.

Also, if the Padres are looking for a 2B/SS, Drew Sutton fits that bill.

Vitters would be a good prospect for the Padres to trade for their young SP that they are looking for. I think that is what Aduncaroo was getting at.

""Vitters, Pie, and their pick of Marshall/Gaudin/Ceda/Veal gets this done."

That could be the base of a deal , but it wouldn't get it done. If the Cubs would include Vitters, Ceda, Pie/Colvin, Veal and one of Marshall, Guzman and Gaudin, then the Padres would probably go that deal. And honestly, if I were the Cubs I would probably consider it.

integr:

If the Astros trade for Peavy, our guys going to San Diego will probably be Pence, Sutton, Bud Norris and either Wandy Rodriguez or Felipe Paulino. Plus prospects gotten for Valverde.

Bogusevic, Sutton and Norris are playing in the AFL right now.

how far away is Vitters from the big leagues? would the Twins be interested? they have good young pitchers they could throw in a 3-way.

Hey Mistyck,
I say you should totally do that trade. Put Hawkins in the closer role and put Wiggington in RF. I only say that though because the Cubs would love that sad sack Hawkins as your closer, because we know he has no stones when it comes to the 9th inning, and I would love for Cub killer Pence to go away.

And would you guys quit with the Cuban stuff? He's not going to buy the Cubs everyone. He was a pawn introduced by Zell to up the price. And he's happily playing along so that when he gets the chance to buy his hometown Pirates, he'll be in better favor with the MLB head honchos.

Hey JRD, what exactly could I not read?? If you caouldn't tell that my comments were dripping with sarcasm, then you have the problem, not me.

Cheezpuff, the only problem with your scenario is that assumption that the Giants would trade Cain even up for Lee. No way in hell that is going to happen. I do like Adrian Gonzalez, tho I wonder why the Pads would trade him, he has a very favorable contract thru 2011.

Has anyone talked about the Angels getting in the mix? Are they listed as one of Peavy's teams?

Halos have close to what the Padres are looking for.
Nick Adenhart
Jeff Mathis
Dustin Mosley
Sean Rodriguez
Reggie Wiliits

A package of these guys would be great for everyone. All of the players listed above are cheap and have proven they can play at the major league level.

"Has anyone talked about the Angels getting in the mix? Are they listed as one of Peavy's teams?"

No, they aren't one of the teams, so Peavy would likely demand that his contract be "restructured", meaning he will want a lot more money. The Angels could just sign Burnett, CC, or one of those guys and not give up the prospects. Thats why the teams on that list have such a huge advantage in this.

"Would the Padres listen to a package of; Felix Pie, Sean Marshall, Rich Hill, Kevin Hart, and Ronnie Cedeno?"

"Has anyone talked about the Angels getting in the mix? Are they listed as one of Peavy's teams?"

While all of the 5 teams on his list are in the NL, the general consensus is that he would waive to go to the Angels.

"Halos have close to what the Padres are looking for.
Nick Adenhart
Jeff Mathis
Dustin Mosley
Sean Rodriguez
Reggie Wiliits"

I think the Angels would probably say no on that one. They are really high on Rodriguez' defense and offensive upside and are grooming him to be the new Figgins, now that Figgins has become one of the best defensive 3B in baseball. I do think they would consider doing that deal with the rest of those guys, however.

Mystick,

Seriously Drew Sutton? The guy finally put up some numbers last season as a 25 year old in AA. Up until that point, I doubt a single person even saw him as a possible MLer. Maybe he would hold a tiny bit of value as a 5th piece in a deal or something, but he certainly doesn't qualify as the 2B/SS the Pads are looking (especially since he likely can't stick at 2B anyway).

The Angels have a history of signing FA, usually not trading away prospects. I highly doubt they get involved.

"Don't expect the Cubs to take on any significant payroll this offseason. The group that brought Tribune/Cubs assumed a bussload of debt, and that is why they are trying to spinoff Cubs & Wrigley. Cuban or whoever buys the team would probably expect a freeze (if not salary reduction) until sale takes place.."
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First of all, the debt of the Tribune Company is not the only reason why the Cubs and Wrigley are being sold. The primary reason for this is that Sam Zell, the majority owner of the tribune Company now, owns a good-sized stake in the White Sox... and has for years. That is his personal holding, and not a business-related holding. Since a person cannot own stakes in two MLB teams, Zell has to sell one off. Thus, he is selling the Cubs and Wrigley Field because it will help reduce the Tribune Company's debt, while his own personal stake in the White Sox feeds his own pockets.

Second, the team was officially placed up for sale last August. Yet, the team expanded payroll by a vast amount. The Tribune announced it was trying to sell itself off in the fall of 2006... before Alfonso Soriano was signed, Aramis Ramirez was re-signed, Carlos Zambrano's contract was extended, Kosuke Fukudome was signed, Mark DeRosa was signed, Ted Lilly was signed, Jason Marquis was signed, and Rich Harden was traded for. The impending sale of the team, through different situations, has yet to have much of an influence on the team's payroll.

Finally, multiple suitors to purchase the Cubs (Mark Cuban being one of them) have stated that extending the team's payroll wisely would not hinder their desires or attempts to purchase the team.

But I seriously think the Angels will make a push to acquire Matt Holliday anyways.

What about Houston-ATL-SD. Braves get Pence and give a few prospects. Houston gets Peavy and gives up Pence and prospects. SD gets prospects.
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United, your points are valid. Keep in mind, economic climates have changed since the fall of 2006 when the Trib went up for sale. It is much harder to get credit these days, even for the big boys and girls. Also keep in mind nobody, the bidders included, thought this process would take this long. Those contracts were signed in a different Cub/Tribune Climate. Everyone thought the deal would have closed by now and the new owners would be in place to take those contracts and the team. Again, things have changed. Now Zell used very little of his own money to buy the Tribune and the umbrella of businesses, including the Cubs. I believe it was around 300 mil, if I remember correctly. He has since sold off businesses the Trib owned for various reasons. Also, so he can make the payment he owes for the purchase. The Cubs are the money making crown jewel of the assests and he is holding out for his price. Until the credit situation loosens, it makes it more difficult. There are other factors here.

I agree the budget set will not hinder Cub moves, but it will limit them. Read one of the articles a day or two ago where Lou says the trade route is most likely. That is outside of trying to resign Dempster and Wood. Who knows? The GM meeting reports may give some insight. Maybe Hendry can pull some magic or lay the groundwork.

i dont want to drive this post completely to the cubs, but they can actually afford to make some trades this season since they have the opportunity to rebuild the farm system in coming years. if woody and howr were to leave that is potential for 4 picks this year. then dero, and harden next year might be 3-4 picks. and then lee, lilly and ramirez the following year could net 4-6 picks.

BravesWorld:

What pitching prospects would the Braves be willing to give up for Pence? Obviously it wouldn't be JJ or Hanson...

Padres talking to Cubs about Peavy is not something that I wanted to read >_<