Braves Moving On From Peavy

I wouldnt be surprised to see a trade by the Braves this weekend for another player. Im sure tons of teams are asking about Yunel and now that he's not going to Pads, he could be moved to another team very soon

countless hours debating Heyward vs Vitters down the drain

:(

Wow. Atlanta really needed to get this done. Surprising.

the Braves will turn the page on Peavy. But MLBTraderumors.com... NEVER!

-B. Roberts

I think it's safe to say that Frank Wren is pretty annoyed with Towers

I still wouldn't be surprised if this gets done at some point.

Wren can be annoyed with Towers but Towers has every right to say no to a trade if he's not satisfied. Maybe Towers should be annoyed with Wren for not meeting his asking price...???

And yes msk86 I do think the Cubs should get sucked into it. You might get annoyed having to hear about Jake Peavy rumors for awhile but they guy is a Cy Young winner, he's young and he's got an affordable contract. I'd say it's definitely worth it. Unless you've got a crystal ball that can tell us Josh Vitters fate then I don't want to debate whether it's better to have a kid with potential or an all star Cy Young winner. Nuff said.

Can't blame Wren for this decision. Acquiring Peavy would obviously be a great addition to Atlanta's rotation, but it isn't like the Braves have a serious NEED to fill be trading for him. Personally, I think Derek Lowe would be a great fit for the Braves, and they wouldn't have to give up the world to get him.

Time for the Braves to turn their attention to Greinke.

Harang won't be available, the Reds seem to love their young pitchers (so strange). Rumors are that Bedard won't be available either. The Braves will probably make signing A.J. Burnett their top priority. Everyone in the organization seems to prefer Burnett over Lowe because the organization needs a power pitcher, not another junkie. Chipper and Smoltz have both said they like Burnett and the idea of bringing a power pitcher in and all other indications lean towards Burnett being the preference over Lowe.

How about a three-way deal?

Rays get Ryan Ludwick.

Padres get Wade Davis, Reid Brignac, Daryl Jones, Mitch Boggs.

Cardinals get Peavy.

I have to say as a Padres fan that Wren being upset with our GM does not bother me. Not one iota. On the other hand, if I ever hear Kevin Towers state "the train has left the station" in regards to trading, again, I will slap him silly. Does he know how much stress he caused Padres fans with that remark? I later read that comment was supposedly one born from KT's humor bone. I'm not laughing.

"How about a three-way deal?

Rays get Ryan Ludwick.

Padres get Wade Davis, Reid Brignac, Daryl Jones, Mitch Boggs.

Cardinals get Peavy."

Wow. I always heard Cards fans were stupid, but now I've finally seen the evidence.

Just to follow up, the Rays have the young pitching the Padres want but not the payroll to afford Peavy, plus they could use a cheap, powerful RF and don't mind taking gambles(Pena).

The Cardinals don't have the elite pitching prospect to get Peavy but have depth in the OF and have shopped Ludwick aggressively so far.

How on God's earth do you figure that the Tigers are "still built to contend"? Did you not see them just finish last in their division?

That team is on the decline and has nothing note worthy in high minors.

A team doesn't trade it's farm system away and dramatically increase payroll one year and then suddenly decide to rebuild the next. The Tigers need to add pitching, and if they do then yes, they will be contenders.

"The Cardinals don't have the elite pitching prospect to get Peavy but have depth in the OF and have shopped Ludwick aggressively so far."

I understand your thinking but I just think that the Rays would be giving up way too much in your scenario considering what they'd be getting back. The Cardinals would have to give them much more to get them to part with Davis/Brignac.

if im walt i would def. listen on harang. question is what would braves offer for him

Well I think Towers wants to keep looking and get the best deal (which is what a GM is required to do) and the braves needed an answer. However if Towers looks around and the braves deal is still the best then i think a deal could still get done.
Especially if the braves only obtain one frontline pitcher in FA. (which wouldnt surprise me since it would be really hard to get more than 1)
Ultimately, I think the Cubs and other teams are still competing against the braves offer and if noone surpasses it Towers may reapproach the Braves.

Peavy was looking at 5 years and over 80 million after he forced whoever traded for him to pick up his 2013 option. No way does Lowe cost that much in total compensation. He would also only cost the Braves their 2nd round pick as their 1st rounder is protected. Lowe's performance also isn't that far behind Peavy's. Over the last 4 seasons Lowe has posted 114, 124, 118, and 131 ERA+ while Peavy numbers are 134, 99, 159, and 134. Peavy is definitely better, but is the difference really worth a top 10 starting SS, a 4 star CF prospect, and others (if that could have ever have gotten it done).

The proposed deal the Braves offered up didn't seem like a steep price, but we still don't know who the Padres were asking for. According to the last report from Yahoo they were still insisting on Hanson or Jurrjens, which was never going to happen. If that was the starting price I can't imagine anyone getting Peavy this year.

Good, hopefully this will end up resulting in Peavy not getting traded. As a Padres fan that would allow them to build around Peavy and Gonzales. The Braves can take the risk as to whether their prospects work out.

If the Padres were requiring Hanson or Jurrjens, then i see why there was no deal made. I really dont think anyone will get Peavy at that price.
and i thought "that train had left the station" oops

I'm fine without Peavy as long as the Braves don't sign Dempster.

"I think Towers could end up with egg on his face in this one."

That would be a double sunnyside on his face with the Hoffman exit, PR and the handling of it.

Towers is a jag off. How long does he expect teams to hang around. I wanted Peavy badly, but good for Frank Wren. Peavy is a heck of a pitcher and would make the Braves better, but they can only offer what they comfortable with. Towers played this out too long. I highly doubt the Braves would trade Esco for Ludwick, but we'll see.

If we can get Burnett and Dempster for around 30-33 mil and trade Gorky/Jojo/Morton for a LF with some pop and keep Yunel...this will go down as best offseason for Braves in a long long time.

Kelly Johnson isn't going to be enough to get Ludwick, at least not by himself. I think it might make more sense for the Braves to deal KJ for Ankiel and then sign Juan Rivera as a platoon player. That would give the Braves solid OF options from both sides of the plate. It would also leave the Braves with a ton of money left over to fill their needs in the rotation.

this news makes me very happy. I really thought the braves would get this done but the more i htink baout it the less since it makes. Im jus happy that towers has completely screwed himself, all he has now is the cubs!!!! =] go out and sign burnette, perez and trade for dye or maggs!!!

I am going to laugh so hard when Hanson never pans out and is a back of the rotation guy; escobar sucks this year and Heyward never makes it to the big leagues-----> All possible things and just think you could have given up one of Heyward or Hanson and got the thing done for a proven shutdown ace in Jake Peavy

"Im jus happy that towers has completely screwed himself, all he has now is the cubs!!!! =] go out and sign burnette, perez and trade for dye or maggs!!!"

How did passing on a poor package from the Braves screw him over, I am glad that he did not feel obligated to deal with the Braves. The oddes that the Braves get two of the 4 good starters available is minuscule. I will laugh if they end up spending a bunch of money on Burnett. Guy is a walking DL stint.

(before I get blasted, "worst defensive corner OF in the majors" is a little strong. He's just not a very good defender any more.)

I'm a Braves fan, and I wanted the team to bring in Peavy, but based on the deal that was out there I think it's best for both teams that the Braves are moving on. Escobar is good and cheap, he's not the kind of player the Braves need to trade, unless it's for a good and cheap starter (Greinke, Cain, etc) and from the Pads point of view, the package really wasn't that appealing beyond Yunel. Gorkys is a solid 3 to 4 star prospect but is 2-3 years away, Morton/Reyes are all upside and could end up being AAAA pitchers, and the fact that Blaine freaking Boyer was being discussed told me that the Braves just weren't willing to part with the pieces to get Peavy. With between $45MM and $50MM to spend the Braves are in position to be active on the FA market, that's how they should go about improving the team.

why trade KJ? I like him at 2nd base and who would you put there? he is a solid 2nd basemen with some pop. Plus only likely big name pitcher we will sign is burnett. I think you can count lowe and dempster out, just too many bigger market teams looking for pitching. Also why is ludwick value so high after "one" season?

"cwilli, Towers may have screwed himself because there is no one currently bidding for Peavy and its seems unlikely that anyone will be coming up with bigger offers anytime soon."

Good then hopefully the Padres just keep Peavy. The injury concern is overrated, every pitcher is somewhat of an injury concern. Peavy has never gone down with a major injury, unlike Burnett and Dempster.

I love all of the "that train has left the station" talk. Kevin, trains are on rails. They typically come back...

I don't see how the notion that Peavy may just stay in SD hasn't come up. Say the Padres don't trade him this off season. Eventually they'll find a scenario where a team can and will either give exactly what Towers wants over overpay. Maybe it'll be at the deadline. Maybe it will be next off season. But barring a serious injury or terrible year from Peavy, the trade offers have no where to go but up.

Oh and Braves fans, good luck getting Greinke. I can honestly see Moore asking for a better package (at the very least a very similar package) than what Wren offered for Peavy because Zack is younger and cheaper.

"The proposed price did not seem steep at all. The Braves will regret not doing this deal. As do the Yankees from last year passing on Johan."

Does that mean, that the Padres will regret for holding on to long like the Twins?

Thank God this trade didn't go down. Making a hole to fill a hole isn't the best of ideas. I actually really like Burnett and Sheets (he is worth it, even with the injury risk).

I can't believe the Padres didn't pull the trigger. I thought the Braves were giving an awful lot for Peavy. That being said, I would've liked for them to have given all that to get Peavy. We really needed Peavy. Honestly, Burnette is the only SP i see us having a chance of getting.
I am glad we were able to hang onto Yunel tho but I'd do anything to get rid of KJ. He's awful. I know high school ball players, including myself, who can back hand a ball better than he can. His defense hurt us bad this year.

Smolt's Beard

That's so hard to believe. He has good range but it seems to me everytime he gets to a ball in the hole he bobbles it or something. Any time he dives/slides for a ball he looks like an 8 year old trying to play second base out there. He is ugly to watch out there. I'm big on defense which is why I'd love to see him in a deal to get an OF wit some pop!!!

Who fits into the Cubs plan best for long and short term thinking?

A)Abreu
B)Dunn
C)Furcal
D)Peavy
E)At least 2 of those 3 are needed.

What's your choice?

I've also read that KJ's range is above average. I agree he gets balls other second basemen wouldn't, especially deep in the hole to his left. But he certainly did bobble plenty of grounders. Let's hope that he will bobble less grounders next year and then he could really be a great second baseman. After all he hasn't been playing 2b for that long.

I'm also glad to see the Braves moving on. I would've loved to see us add Peavy, but we can't wait around forever. Kudos to FW for not mortgaging our future by giving up Hanson or Heyward.

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drumzalicious,

I'm a Braves fan, but that offer is way to overly optimistic. Ludwick OPS last season was among the 5th or 6th best in the league. KJ is certainly a good 2B, but I don't think he is worth nearly as much as Ludwick, even with the questions about him being able to duplicate this year's performance. If the Cards would even consider a deal built around KJ, which I'm not even sure they would, it would definitely take more addition to him than Blaine Boyer. It'd probably be KJ plus at least one good prospect. As much as I like Ludwick, I think its doubtful the Cards consider trading him unless Escobar is included. Ankiel on the other hand would probably be available for KJ, and that's a possibility I think the Braves should consider. As I mentioned earlier, I think a trade for Ankiel and a signing of Rivera would go a long way to filling our OF needs, while costing the Braves little in terms of money and KJ who the Braves seem to think is replaceable with Prado. That leaves the Braves as much money as they could possibly need to fill the holes in rotation, while also allowing the Braves to sign a few more lesser guys.

braves red what's the point in trading for arroyo if we have all the extra money??why not sign lowe or perez?? Arroyo blows!!!

"braves red what's the point in trading for arroyo if we have all the extra money??why not sign lowe or perez?? Arroyo blows!!!"

5 names that are free agents.
Smoltz
Hampton
Ohman
Julio
Tavarez

Gotta atleast sign 3 of the 5. Braves already said they wanted to resign Smoltz, Hampton, and Ohman. With my projections of their 2009 paychecks, we can afford one of the other two with those three.

The problem with KT holding on to Peavy is his no trade clause. If he thinks he can wait until the deadline and get more teams involved I think he is wrong. Peavy is not going to an AL team, he just doesn't want too. So there will probably be about 2 or 3 NL teams in contention that he will accept a trade too at the deadline, and if the cubs and braves can't get him with what they offer now what maks KT think they will be interested in giving more then? If you only have 2 teams that he will go to, and you have to trade him to cut your payroll, don't you just take the best offer and go on?

braves red u really like arroyo huh? LOL I think thAt perez is a bit better and younger also we wouldn't have to give up any prospects to get him. Also I just can't stand arroyo ever since I saw him with his corn rows!!! LOL

I think Wren finally did the math.
Peavy + Furcal or Renteria?
$28-32 million.
Escobar + 2/3 of Sheets, Randy Johnson or Hampton?
$18-25 million.

That leaves some extra cash lying around to bring in a stud outfielder like Jermaine Dye and some extra prospects lying around to bring in a high ceiling young starter like Zack Greinke.

I'm a braves fan but this is a bad sign but now how are we going 2 lure anyone 2 sign with us we're not good and others how more money now our only hope is 2 make some kind of trade. I really dont want dempster because he was not taht good on the road last year.

"braves red u really like arroyo huh? LOL I think thAt perez is a bit better and younger also we wouldn't have to give up any prospects to get him. Also I just can't stand arroyo ever since I saw him with his corn rows!!!"

So, you rather give up draft picks instead of prospects? News flash, we have enough talent in our prospects that we can spare some.

I think Arroyo is a reasonable target for the Braves even though I think he is terrible, that just seems to be the Braves way of doing things w/o Ted Turner in charge. For whatever reason we like soft tossing ground ball pitchers more than guys who can reach back and throw some heat every once in a while. We really need to get back to dominate defense and great pitching with speed at the top of the lineup and a few mashers mixed in (when you say it out loud you realize, we really do have a lot of holes to fill!). Every player on the team doesn't have to have power as long as they can play defense and run. Any chance we could get Lemke and Belliard to come out of retirement?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Cubs still interested in Peavy, Padres want young elite pitching, Peavy said he rayher play in Chicago than Atlanta. Yet, we trade one of our if not the best pitching prospect we have for Kevin Gregg. Then Wood says he would of signed a one year deal. This could all have been avoided if the Marlins GM didn't have a picture of Hendry drunk at the Winter meeting after party last year.