Cubs Targeting Teahen

I am all for improving the right field situation. Why not just bite the bullet and go after Griffey on a one year deal. He is a proven player that still has some pop in his bat and it shouldn't cost a arm and a leg to get him to sign

I'm assuming that a Pie and Cedeno for Teahen trade wouldn't happen.

I think trading for Pie would be a pretty good idea for the Royals, as this would allow them to move DeJesus to left and allow Pie to patrol CF. Although based on current production, Pie wouldn't really help KCs OBP. However, it would improve their defense, while shifting DeJesus to left.

Trading for Cedeno would also be good for KC, as it would allow them to keep Aviles at short, where he is better defensively at, and improve their right-side defense with Cedeno manning 2B. Although it still wouldn't help their OBP too much either.

Teahan?!?! WHAT?!?! not a good idea. Go after Roberts...

I hope this is some kind of cruel joke - Teahen has not had any kind of production in the majors, his OPS was in the low 700's last year with 15 HR's and 59 RBI's?

As bad as Fukudome has been, he will likely be better than those numbers. This would be a pure dump of Pie for not much upside

Watching Griffey in Cincinnati (I stopped paying attention when he left), he looked fat and slow. His bat speed had slowed too.

Griffey in RF is a bad option, unless he takes a pretty big discount which doesnt seem likely.

Mark Teahan would be a terrible fit! He is a strikeout machine just like the rest of the cubs lineup. We need a guy with great obp. Abreu would be perfect. he is almost always more walks to K's and doesnt get hurt like bradley does. The only problem is that he is a type A free agent but thats the cost you would have to pay.

What about the Cubs adding Furcal and Hudson and moving DeRosa to RF saving money by not adding Teahan. Or trading for Roberts instead of Hudson and adding Wood back and adding another LHP for the bullpen. I dont mind Marshall in 5th starter role.

I'm a Royals season-ticket holder and a big fan of Teahen the person...but he has been a disappointment to us.

Defensively he's actually pretty good in right. I believe in 2007 he was amongst the league-leaders in OF assists. He was brought up as a 3B so he has a cannon for an arm. Additionally he does bring some versatility in that he can still play 3B and 1B as pointed out above.

I think he needs a change of scenery and wouldn't be surprised if he blossomed somewhere else. As I said he's a great guy and I talked to him after a game this year...was really cool to the fans.

Perhaps Pie would benefit from a move as well, though I think Fontenot would be a great fit.

Teahan's said that him playing in the OF has taken a lot out of his bat, so if he wants to be an offensive force, stick on 3b, trade A-Ram while his value is still high to someone like the Twins for a bunch of arms.

Pie would make sense, but they have the speedster and low BA in Gathright, the old Tampa Bay Felix Pie. So I have no clue what it would take for the Cubs to get Teahan, but I'd get him to play 3rd, not OF.

"If the Royals insist a pitcher is involved this could be the chance to unload atleast some of Marquis salary."

Did you really just suggest a salary dump....on the Kansas City Royals????!!??!!!eleven1!

ok. my take? We'd love Pie for Teahen, but my hope is that the Cubs swap out Fukudome + cash for Teahen, maybe an arm and a prospect.

But I would be happy with Pie.

Taking a chance on Pie for a player the Royals neither need or want would be a smart play.

I'm not much for the Teahan idea. Maybe the guy needs a change of teams, just like Pie. The Cubs can't take that chance that Teahan will come into his own. They don't have the luxury of waiting.

I'm not much on the Griffey idea, either. His time is an AL DH, period. He is overweight and too big of a risk. I thought Lou wanted to get more athletic.

Just shell out the bones for Abreu and be done with it already. To compensate for that, I'm sure some team would take Marquis as a salary dump. He would be a good 1-year, innings-eating pickup for a mid-payroll noncontender like Baltimore.

"He had a .993 fielding percentage at all 3 positions he played.

1B 14 games
3B 19 games
OF 119 games"

Doesn't help. Griffey is one of the slower outfielders in baseball, so it's rather easy to have a good fielding percentage when you get to very few balls.

In fact, the Fielding Bible +/- system ranked him tied for third worst RF in baseball this year.

Vtadave - i think those are Teahan's numbers, not Griffey's.

Teahan was very underrated defensively. He has above average speed, but is one of the best base runners in baseball - which is how he was able to hit two inside the park home runs this year.

He isn't a great player, but i think his number would improve in a smaller ballpark like Wrigley. In fact, just a change of scenery would probably do him good.

I actually think the Royals should get more than Pie for Teahan. At least he has proven that he can somewhat play. Pie hasn't proven anything, and his upside seems to be diminishing.

I dont like this for the Cubs.Teahan is only one year younger than Micah and Micah has shown more power and general hitting ability. There defense is similar as well. If Im Hendry, dont pull the trigger on this one.

They have no chips though. The farm system is bare as my cupboard.

Why are the Cubs so insistent on moving Fukudome? He had a bad 1/2 season. Teahen certainly doesn't have better numbers. Plus he can't run. I thought the Cubs wanted to get faster. I wouldn't sign Griffey to be the bat boy. I watched him play for the White Sox last year. What a joke.

Haha cubsfan...you can add Felix Pie to that list too...lol...

fungi2510, that doesn't matter. Teahen has almost no value, because he isn't good. Just about any team, with maybe the exception of the Astros, could make a trade for Teahen if they wanted to. The thing is, who would want to? He is no good. I don't understand why the Cubs would be interested in him. His offensive statistics could be compared with Fukudome and he was terrible.

Callaspo is good but another player would be nice in case of injury...idk who would start for the royals in the outfield maybe guillen, dejesus, maier/gathright or someone else.
There is no way your getting Dejesus!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marquis has been on the post season roster both of the last two years.

For all Royals fans, I think now would be the best time to trade DeJesus. He's obviously destined to play LF, and it's not like he's as special as, say, Carlos Beltran. DeJesus is a solid producer, but he shouldn't be deemed untouchable.

my bad sweetswingingbw...I stand corrected. He was left off by St. Louis.

2006 Teahen would be nice, otherwise he's well below average. Would Teahen get his .OPS back over .800 in the NL? If not then he's not worth the investment. I would hope getting away from KC would be good for him, especially coming to a positive environment like the Cubs and Wrigley. Who knows though, he seems to be slowly fading away.

Griffey, sad to say, is all but washed up. He's overweight, poor defensively and overmatched at the plate these days. 2008 wasn't good and 2009 will probably be worse for him. I don't understand why anyone would want to sign him. Seriously, he's a great name but check out his stats. He's done.

"Fukudome for GMJ. Swap bad contracts and the Cubs save some money in the process. GMJ can play CF and DeRosa can play RF or you can go out and get a big bat in right (easier to find a RF than a CF)"

i think the angels send someone to chicago to make that happen personally(move vlad to left/dh and let fukodome play rf) but i think they still sign anderson so it wouldnt work most likely

Teahan does nothing for me - may as well keep Fukudome in rf. If the cubs are just looking for a LH bat I would rather they target a luke scott - wouldn't mind going for JD Drew but don't think we have anything Sox would want ( except maybe DLee - thats kinda interesting ). Could we get JD's little brother from the D'backs? Move Theriot ( if he's not part of the deal) to 2B let DeRosa be RF. Better yet sell the farm and get Hawpe ( ok I'm dreaming )

It sounds to me that Jim is pushing right now. He's hit a snag with KT and Peavy. It doesnt seem like he wants to get into that back and forth spring training match with McFAIL about Roberts. He DOES have some money now if he is sticking to the 'not going to sign woody' fact. He should go out, put reasonable offers out to Dunn and Abreu (reasonable, not rediculous and super backloaded). He should trade Marquis for nothing (yes I know what I said). And if nothing happens in the Peavy/Roberts/Furcal/Dunn/Abreu departments, then he can say he put in several honest tries and just wait until something opens up during the season. This Teahan garbage should NOT happen. Yea, he has/had potential? Well so does Rich Hill........

"Could we get JD's little brother from the D'backs?"

no.

you have nothing of what they want.

I think Teahen brings in more than Pie. He has proven so much more and he just turned 27. Pie has proven he can hit .220 in the majors. Teahen brings in Cedeno and Pie at least but i would rather see Pie and an arm.

The Twins should step in and ship nice guy and decent player Cuddyer over for SS 3B or middle relief help. He'd romp in the NL, fans would like him, the two organizations have a history of doing business and there are some complementary pieces that would make this work. If the big Blake-and-a-big-name-SS melodrama doesn't come together for the Twins I wouldn't be surprised to see something here.

Cubsgm: I dont agree on putting another back loaded contract on the books.

"reasonable, not rediculous and super backloaded"

I agree with you completly. I just used poor wording, actually meant that it should not be rediculous and not be super backloaded.

The logic here is astounding.

Someone really compared Fukudome's situation with Josh Beckett's? Let me help you on this one.

Beckett has a track record. A very good track record.

Fukudome has no track record. He was a decent RF'er for half a year. He was a terrible RF for the other half. To say that he only played bad for half a year is equivalent to saying that he has sucked something awful for 50% of his ML career.

On 6/27 Fukudome was half way through the season. His line was: 301/407/441. He had his 6 HR's and was well on his way to having a respectable season.

By 9/28 Fukudome's line read: 257/359/379. He posted the following OPS's by month:

-- April = 837
-- May = 792
-- June = 789
-- July = 688
-- Aug = 546
-- Sep = 577

He was 24th out of 29 qualifying RFers (400 AB's) in OPS. 28th out of 29 in SLG. On the positive side, he does know how to take a walk and he plays solid defense.

Now, keep in mind that you are paying 3/38 for the rest of his contract. If Fukudome is anything less than his April-June numbers he will go down as one of the all-time busts.

*Would be a typical Cubs move.

Why are the self proclaimed 'die hard' Cub fans always the whiney and stupid ones? I'm betting this one is a kid.

Unless something has changed, and I haven't heard anything, Furcal doesn't want to be a Cub. You'd think a 'die hard' Cub fan would remember that he signed with the Dodgers for less than the Cubs offered him.

Roberts? The Cubs have been going after him for a while now. He's good, fast, injury prone, and not worth the farm.

And about 'growing some balls and signing a big name', are you kidding me? Soriano is a big name, they're trying to get Peavy, big name. They're thinking about Dunn, Johnson, Abreu. Big names.

Guess what. David Eckstein was never a big name and Alex Rodriguez is one of the biggest. David Eckstein is one of the greatest playoff hitters of this decade and A-Rod has never done anything impressive in the playoffs.

We don't need big names for the sake of getting big names.

Finally, about the Cubs flopping in the playoffs. Dude, at least they were there. They were there last year as well and probably will be there next year. Count your freaking blessings. People are starving to death and unless you're 100 years old you can't whine about it being 100 years. People who have so much and whine about so little are the one's who truely need to man up and 'grow balls'.

Have a nice day and Go Cubs.

"You'd think a 'die hard' Cub fan would remember that he signed with the Dodgers for less than the Cubs offered him."

I thought it was the Dodgers offered a shorter term with a higher annual salary so he could maximize his value over his career?

"Also, why is everyone hating on Fukudome? He had a bad 2nd half so what? So did Josh Beckett"

Josh Beckett... hmmm... wait you mean that guy who's got an impressive playoff record even with this years issues? Oh yeah he and a guy who couldn't hit against a girl's softball team in September are great comparisons. Let's compare something else that are opposites like light and dark. After all they're exactly the same.

Teahen is a career .270 hitter who drives in about 60 runs a year and hits about 15-20 a year. He would be cheap and young so why not make the deal for two infielders. I like Fontenot and I have always liked Cedeno but if we can acquire the left handed bat that we need without giving up the whole farm, why wouldn't you do it? We save money with Teahen and then we can possibly sign a leadoff hitter like Furcal, or we can go and trade the farm we save with Teahen and go after Roberts possibly. The Teahen move would provide a lot more flexibility for the rest of the offseason because it addresses the Left Handed Bat without giving up the whole farm.

***Guess what. David Eckstein was never a big name and Alex Rodriguez is one of the biggest. David Eckstein is one of the greatest playoff hitters of this decade and A-Rod has never done anything impressive in the playoffs.

We don't need big names for the sake of getting big names.***

Eckstein had three really good games to end the '06 World Series, but otherwise has not been a great postseason hitter, and a below-average regular-season hitter for his career.

A-Rod had two bad series in '05 in '06, after having some pretty good postseason appearances before that. Most forget he was the only Mariner who bothered to show up for the 2000 ALCS.

It's all about context.

The problem isn't getting "name" guys, it's getting them on the downslope of their careers. Abreu probably fits that category, but someone like Dunn will still be productive for years to come.