Jake Peavy Rumors: Wednesday

i think this is ridiculous that peavy gets a daily tracker blog.

Pie and Hill? Haha. You better add some more players to that list.

I think the cubs will after Peavy, no matter if they resign Dempster. The question is do the Cubs have enough to get Peavy? I think no, but if the Cubs are willing to give up Samardzija or maybe Jose Ceda. I think the Padres will talk.

JRD: I was clearly joking

cubs land: "Towers and Jim are good friends and went golfing"

Super. You still don't have the goods. Or, frankly, the need for Peavy.

Well, I was going to come on here and say:

Funny how the Cubs just keep coming up despite what most on this site seem to keep thinking...

However, the fans that are throwing out bad trades have already beat me, which will probably just make dumb people who characterize an entire fan base that much worse...

I still think Towers and Hendry have a few guys in mind, and will talk again if no one else can beat it from the list of the teams that Peavy wants to go to.

I just keep wondering what Hendry's stance is on Vitters...because if he isn't available...even I, as a Cubs fan, can't figure out why Towers would want really anything other than Pie thats available in a deal for a player of Peavy's calibur.

when are cubs fans going to realize that just because Peavy said he would play doesn't mean that the padres will trade him there for junk. The chicago media heard he would approve a trade to chicago and overblew it. The cubs don't have what it takes to get him. Let me ask you this cubs fans would you give up soto, cedeno, vitters, and hill for him.

So Peavy's list began at 5. He nixed a trade to the AL. Towers cut the list to 3, and is only currently talking to 1 of them. I'd say that team is most likely the Braves, as the Dodgers are rivals, and the Cubs are a distant 3rd in players they can offer.

It's sounds like Towers wants pitching, specifically starting pitching back in return. Not sure if Marshall/ Hill is the type of pitchers Towers imagines.

Aduncaroo, that sounds like one of the more plausible trade offers that the cubs could make and the padres would consider. But I think that since the Padres are looking for a top of the rotation starter, look for maybe a 3 way trade involving vitters to a team for one of those starters going to SD. I think that Sanfran sounds good to me considering that they are rebuilding and are looking for hitters. Vitters is still maybe a full year or two away, but he is very enticing and with a player like Marquis (maybe?) we might be able to free up Matt Cain to the Pads. Another team I thought my be the third wheel in this trade would the be the orioles including jeremy guthrie, or even the marlins including ricky nolasco. I dont know how acceptable it would be for either of those two teams, but to me, doesnt seem lopsided one way.

hey man, im new...gimme a break.
i think he ends up a cubby as well, maybe with wood and some peeps going to sandiego.

Vitters is in the discussion with the trade talks. There is no doubt about it. There wouldnt be this continued talk if he wasnt in consideration. Like many have said, the Cubs dont have much else to offer that is not already a major piece of the team (Soto & Marmol). Vitters is in the discussion, I think its just a matter of either convincing Towers that Vitters is just as valuable as a Pitching prospect, or finding a team that would trade some pitching for a good hitting prospect. I still stick with Vitters going to the Giants, seems like a good fit, Giants wouldnt be giving up their top pitcher. They would be getting a young guy that could turn out to be something special in the hitting department someday.

(and hey, no need to call people out. trading would seems like a novice comment that would only be properly corrected by just letting them know, not quoting and making feel like trash)

I agree...its a stretch anyway, and even as a cubs fan, I just can't see this going anywhere without a 3rd team or vitters being involved, or both.

Dunc, while it seems extremely unlikely, I won't count out the Cubs yet, because this situation does have some similarities to the Johan deal, where Omar was patient, everybody thought he never had a chance, and Santana just sort of fell in his lap. A couple differences though, and big ones. Peavy is pretty affordable then Santana (right now, if you wait til' next year his contract gets closer to market value, decreasing his value, which is why SD wants to move him now, which could favor the Cubs), and the Braves are a real contender in this thing too, where the Mets had no serious contenders, since Minn. wanted Johan out of the A.L. That said, if Wren holds strong and will not budge on his big 3, and KT finds an offer lead by Vitters and less attractive other guys more enticing then a more solid group of all around prospects from ATL without the big stud like Vitters, then the Cubs could swoop and make a move here. I agree with you also, that Marshall, and possibly Hill could thrive there. They both have good upside, and SD is as good a place as there is to go for a pitcher to reach his ceiling. Pie would be a welcome addition to just give 500 AB's to and let roam CF. Also big potential. Cedeno could move in at SS, having an immediate replacement for Greene, letting them move him and save more money.

So, basically, I think the following things need to happen for Peavy to land in Wrigleyville.

- Hendry makes Vitters available.

- KT and SD decide that Peavy needs to be moved this year, because they don't want to pay him when he gets more expensive.

- Wren will not budge on moving Heyward, Schafer, or Hanson.

- KT decided that a package headlined by Vitters, with less valuable secondary guys is more desirable to him then a package of guys like Rohrbough, Gorkys, etc., etc.

I still think it is a longshot, but I thought it was a longshot for Johan to land with the Mets. Stranger things have happened.

I think 2 things have to happen for Peavy to come to the cubs. 1) Dempster leaves ( possible depending on who you ask ) 2) Lee waives his NTC and cubs use whatever they get for Lee as part of deal with SD ( don't really see it happening but stranger things have happened).
I've read opposing thoughts on Lee - he would waive to goto west coast, he would waive to goto another contender, and he isn't going anywhere. If he is open to waiving it we will get a nice price but nothing ridiculous. Maybe angels lose out on Tex and give us Willits and a young P? Then we can ship both to SD with Pie/Ceda/cedeno in a 5 for 1 swap. Would TB want Lee? Yankees? Gardner/Britton and a prospect would work. Just rambling its early - feel free to rip away.

Hey Tim, how dare you report what you keep reading about the Cubs being possibly involved in a Peavy deal? I mean, forget what baseball insiders are saying, haven't you read what Land-Man and jtd have written? They clearly know what Kevin Towers wants, they must speak with him daily. In fact, I heard the golf foursome the other day was Towers, Hendry, Land-Man and jtd. They were there to hear what was said and Towers doesn't want the Cubs players. So Tim, please just leave a blank space if any team with ivy on their outfield walls and the best atmosphere in baseball is mentioned in any future Peavy rumors. Thanks.

I say sign Dempster and Wood.

Trade for Peavy.

I am still hoping for a Roberts trade.

Sign Furcal (If the Dodgers sign Manny and others the will have to let Furcal walk)

Good insight on Peavy and more here. I don't understand how the powers to be missed this one so far.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/1260225,CST-SPT-deluca05.article

Pad's said that they would much rather deal Greene in a different deal than with Peavy uww1. Funny how Cubbie fans always come up with ridiculous trades on here. "Sign Dempster and Wood get Peavy trade for Roberts and sign Furcal hahahahahahahaha.

One thing you guys are completely missing is that the Padres don't have to trade Peavy. They're shopping him around with his permission but if they don't get what they want, they won't make the deal.

I think Towers is looking at what the A's got for Harden and is saying to himself "I'm not going to get screwed like that numbnut Billy Jelly Beane". Thus he'll demand any organizations top prospects and maybe even a few ML ready, young players.

And I hate to bash anyone, but you guys are acting like typical, dellusional, illogical Cubs fans. The Braves has a lot more quality to offer. Your team has a lot of quantity to offer. Yunel Escobar alone is better than anything the Cubs have outside of their proven, older talent.
If the Cubs want to get this deal done, consider throwing Rich Harden in a smaller package. Maybe Harden, Pie, and Hill? I can see people saying no to this trade because Harden was very impressive last year. But consider 2 things: 1) Harden's health will only hurt the rest of the rotation if he continues on the pace he's been on all year. 2) he's a free agent after 2009 and will command big time money for an injury-prone asset. If the Cubs give Dempster 12-14 mill per, Zambrano already is getting 18 mill per, Lilly is at 11 mill per, and Peavy would be between 17-19 mill per for the remainder of his contract, that's at least 58 mill committed to 4 starters, there is no way they'll have room for another 13-15 mill (which could be a lot more if he stays healthy in 2009) per for Harden.

Just reasonable food for thought. BTW, I must say, feels amazing to have a White Sox fan as President ;) lool

I am a Cubs fan, and I don't think Peavy ends up in blue pinstripes, but my reasoning has nothing to do with the value of Pie or the Cubs farm system. I just heard on 670 the score that Peavy's agent is now suggesting that Peavy's contract would need restructoring to make a deal happen, meaning he wants more money. One of the benefits to the Cubs getting Peavy was his existing price tag. In addition, the Cubs have bigger needs then the rotation and not a whole lot of money to spend on FAs meaning if they trade away the farm for Peavy they won't have the pieces they need to deal for a lead off hitter or left handed power bat. If the Cubs did aquire Peavy I can not figure how Marshall, Pie and Vitters would not be included, lets not forget about Marmol who Towers would most definitely at least ask for. As a Cubs fan I can't see this being the best option for Hendry to follow.

Aduncaroo, shush! I think he's trying to offer us 5 years of Peavy below market cost for 1 year of Harden and 2 guys that have no options left! Too bad he's smarter than Beane!

I don't think Vitters has as much value to the Padres as he would to other teams. They are overloaded at corner infield positions. They also prefer more developed/projectable players. If he is in the deal I think the cubs would be better served to trade him to a third team that values him more highly than the Padres.

The Hendry and Towers being friends thing is not going to benefit the Cubs in the form of a beneficial trade to the Cubs. Towers is friends with John Daniels and that did not keep him from trading Adam Eaton/Aki Otsuka for Chris Young/Adrian Gonzalez. He is also friends with Theo Epstein and traded Doug "wheres my softball mit" Mirabelli for Cla Meredith/Josh Bard.

I don't have a lot of faith in Hendry pulling off a deal with the Pads for Peavy, but if they could sign Furcal as a FA it would allow them to add Theriot to a potential package for Peavy. Getting Peavy makes signing Dempster no longer necassary and Furcal and Peavy would be big upgrades over Theriot and Dempster. This is probably still wishful thinking though.

Off all the teams still in the Peavy race, the Angels may have the best shot to get him... It's up to whether or not they are willing to give up on their best prospects.

Pitchers:
Weaver
Adenhart
Walden
Green

C:
Conger
B. Johnson

1B:
Morales

2B,SS,3B:
Wood
Aybar
S. Rodriguez
Brown

OF:
Willits
Bourjos
Evans
Pettit
Pavkovich

Any possible package of these players might entice the Pads...

Here's my offer:

PADS GET:
Weaver
Aybar
S. Rodriguez
Morales
Bourjos

ANGELS GET:
Peavy
L. Rodriguez
Kyle Blanks

Personally, Id rather do your trade than mine... I feel Im giving up less for more from the Angels perspective. Id do your trade in a heartbeat!

Thank you Cubs fans. This has actually turned into a very reasonable debate about how they could land Peavy. The trade proposals are generally fair and well thought out.

While Towers is certainly making a push for quality over quantity I wouldn't be surprised if he did look at a 6/1 type of deal. While it would be nice to land a super-star (maybe that's Vitters in a few years?) they also need to fill holes, cheaply.

By trading Peavy now the Padres are conceding next year and probably the year after. Why not take a high ceiling prospect that is a few years away and combine him with some other guys that might be decent players? You can field a team, bolster your overall system, and suppress payroll until more favorable economic times come.

And while I think the Angels or Boston or the Braves could put together a better package, so far none of those teams are serving up their blue chippers.

Wow if Peavy goes to Chicago, Wren and company will in a bad spot. Fans will be very upset and the organization will def. hit a speed bump.

JRD will say something sarcastic about how the cubs wont get him now...watch....HA the Cubs are still in talks, how many people will say the cubs still have 0%?

hey biddaddybobby or w/e your annoying and YOU ARE NOT A GM..so again, YOUR WRONG!

This is going to come off as more wacko Cub fan craziness, but bear with me.

The Cubs are going to acquire Jeremy Hermida and Scott Olsen from the Marlins.

Then they're going to flip Olsen to SD in a deal for Peavy.

In the process the Cubs will give up Pie, Vitters, Ceda, Marshall, Guzman, Cedeno, Wuertz, and 2-3 other prospects that could be anyone.

How the chips fall is anyone's guess but I'll take a crack at it.

Marshall to FLA for Olsen. Marlins want to be rid of Olsen's attitude, so they take a ready-made rotation replacement and run.

Olsen Pie Cedeno Guzman to SD for Peavy. 4 cheap, controlled ML-ready guys: 2 arms and 2 position players. All four are instant regulars for the Pads, once Greene is dealt.

That leaves Vitters and Wuertz for Hermida. Another attitude dump for the Marlins. They take Vitters' high upside and Wuertz' immediate boost to the 'pen.

Sprinkle in a Welington Castillo or Doug Deeds here, and a Donald Veal or Mitch Atkins there, and voila: Hermida in RF, and Peavy in the rotation.

Granted, all contingent on the Braves holding tight to their guys.

its possible but i'm not sure the Marlins would take Marshall straight up for Olsen and then i don't think that the Padres would want Olsen as the main pitcher involved in getting Peavy. At this point I think that Pie is a throw in player until he proves he can hit in the majors. Were talking about a guy who is out of options so he might be gone from the cubs whether hes traded or not. Hill would have to included and two other low level guys with high upside would have to be in the deal.

Also note, as an 08 draftee, Carpenter cannot be traded.

Although, you could technically use the PTBNL to get around the draft pick signing deadline also for carpenter.

These Jake Peavy rumors in 08-09 are going to sound a lot like the B rian Roberts rumors in 07-08 for Cubs fans. This sounds amazing and all, but no way will the Braves or any other NL team with a brain let the Cubs stack up Z/Peavy/Harden/Lilly/and Dempster or whoever. Don't get me wrong they'll still fail to win the pennant even with that rotation, but for the rest of the NL to sit back and to even allow that to happen would be such a shame. I see a dark horse coming in and picking up Peavy if the Braves don't do it. Are the Reds on his black list? They make a ton of sense. Johnny Cueto, another pitcher from their farm system, and one of their talented young hitters for Peavy should do it. A rotation of Peavy, Edison Volquez, and Aaron Harang wouldn't be too shabby at all. Cincy would also be a nice fit for Matt Holliday... Or CC Sabathia... They do have a lot of money freed up now with Griffey and Dunn gone... Hmmm... We shall see.

I meant Wood and Marmol in the back end. I'd keep Dempster, too. But that is wish'n.

ramonskee- Isn't peavy too young in his pitching career to have dusty ruin his arm?

This makes sense with Lily & Harden being done after this year and Sarmaja most likely being a starter in 2010. It looks like Hendry is not only taking care of his rotation to make a push this year, but he is also thinking about 2010 and beyond. I don't know where the money comes from for a left handed bat though... Maybe D Lee is still headed out of town?

The Cardinals being back in the Jack Peavy sweepstakes should not come as a surprise to anyone. The Cardinals, and other teams as well, try to say they are not interested in a player just so they can try to make the deal in the back door and not have it be publicied and risk ruining the deal in the end. When a young ace-type like Peavy is placed on the block, everyone is interested. When you are named as one of the top five teams that player wants to play for, you have to at least check in on the situation. I don't blame the Cardinals for keeping their interest low key, but I had that feeling all along that they were very interested and just playing their card quietly.

Vitters could be another Ty Waller, Gary Scott or Ty Griffin. Yes the same Ty Waller sent to us by the Cards. If you can receive a proven 27 year old (former cy young pitcher) for a 20 year old prospect along with Marshall, Cedeno and Pie...should be a start. Throw in Ceda. Look at the (lack of) long proven track record of the Cubs farm system.

Hmm... A new offseason and Cubs fans still think they can send 2 or 3 of their subpar used-to-be prospects and acquire an All-Star.

Some things never change.

Where is all this young pitching talent Cardinals fans claim to have? If your pitching prospects are so great, why did your starting rotation include Wellemeyer and Boggs.
Unless the Cards send Perez, Parisi, Garcia, Mather and Ankiel to San Diego they won't get Peavy.
I could see the Cubs creating a package including Pie, Cedeno, Pignatiello, Papelbon and Guzman. Maybe replace Paplebon with Hill or Marshall. Guzman is ready to start, along with Hill or Marshall. Cedeno would set them up for trading Greene and Pie would save them the cash.
The Padres are more interested in saving money for next year than they are about getting an ace for Peavy.

"Vitters could be another Ty Waller, Gary Scott or Ty Griffin. Yes the same Ty Waller sent to us by the Cards. If you can receive a proven 27 year old (former cy young pitcher) for a 20 year old prospect along with Marshall, Cedeno and Pie...should be a start. Throw in Ceda. Look at the (lack of) long proven track record of the Cubs farm system."

I remember your suggested names and guys like Cunningham, Dickson and throw in the Patterson's and Prior's of the world. Prior did have one good year, but since he is a jerk for holding teams (Cubs & Padres) up for contracts, he gets listed. As far as Vitters, the Padres are not looking for an infielder though.

I absolutely love some of the people who call Cubs fans idiots and then proceed to call us "the Yankees of the NL" or stating that we have "no chance to acquire Peavy."

First of all, we had the 7th highest payroll in the majors last year, not even in the top 5. We were 20M below the Mets and less than $50,000 above the Dodgers. We spent less than the White Sox for crying out loud. We are an average major market team, so please shut up about that, it's gettin old.

Second of all, we wouldn't be in these boards if the Cubs didn't have a shot. It's not the fans making these suggestions, it's professionals who have a hell of a lot more information than anyone here. Some of you forget the insane trades that Hendry has been able to pull off over the years, but I wouldn't be shocked to see another.

How's Ryan Harvey doing for fellow Cub Fans? My point is not to bring up names from the past or the present. The point is prospects are what they are...prospects. You lose some Joe Carters to gain a cy young winner. Vitters might be a Joe Carter. But Peavy at 27 could be a Cy Young award winner for years to come. He's proven. With a 1-2 punch of Z and Peavy is a nice start to a rotation.

Vitters might not be what SD is looking for but don't hold up a deal if you have to include him, Ceda, Veal or Papelbon.

It's not like the Johan trade in a couple respects:

1. Contracts: Peavy is signed through 2012 guaranteed with 2010-2012 being 16 mil/year on average. Santana signed for right around 22 mil/year to 2013.

2. Health: Santana has no history of arm problems. He has pitched 200 innings for 5 straight seasons without missing a start. This goes hand in hand with the delicate handling of his career, never having to pitch serious innings until the age of 25. Peavy has a history of arm issues, even spending part of last season on the DL. Peavy has also been logging heavy innings since he was 21.

3. Performance: Probably the most important point....Santana is a MUCH better pitcher than Jake Peavy. Last 5 seasons, Peavy has had ERA+ of 171, 134, 99, 159, 134. Santana is at 182, 155, 161, 130, 166.

For all the points above, I think it's obvious why I think the package for Peavy should be equal or lower than the package the Twins got for Santana.

As for teams not giving up prospects as much anymore, it's obvious. The Yankees and Red Sox had a chance to have the best pitcher in baseball last offseason, but didn't want to give up any of their top prospects.

In regards to Cubs prospects, it isn't blinding Cub homerism. The stats speak for themselves, try looking them up:

Felix Pie > Carlos Gomez
Sean Marshall > Phil Humber
Jose Ceda > Deolis Guerra
etc. etc. = Kevin Mulvey