Jake Peavy Rumors: Monday

Go get him Chicago...

Didn't Chicago just trade a big trading chip in Ceda. If they really thought they were still in it for Peavy, why would they have traded him?

Hendry right now is up there with Towers in terms of questionable moves in this earl offseason.

Do you think Towers is forced to trade Peavy now given what's happened? He made the comment about Peavy's train leaving the station and the much publicized fall out with the Braves.

I am not sure if Ceda was on Towers wish list. He was traded from the Padres.

"Do you think Towers is forced to trade Peavy now given what's happened? He made the comment about Peavy's train leaving the station and the much publicized fall out with the Braves."

With the comments Towers made before, if I were Peavy, I'd feel unwanted. In that case I'd then demand to be traded before February.

And there isn't much Towers has to do about that other than tell him he's been working on it, coming up with hundreds of situations every day, only to be limited by Peavy's pickiness.

Brewers??? AHH, i dont think, well I KNOW, that the Brewers are NOT on Peavy's list, but thanks. I still think that a big name will be traded to a 3rd team.. Any thoughts?

Do GMs generally show all their cards and tell everyone their business?

Just curious. Why would the Cubs be on Peavy's list but ABSOLUTELY NOT the Brewers?

haha another cubs fan thinking that the cubs are the only team that anyone wants to play for, and why would anyone want to play in that dump at wrigley.

And while the brewers dont have a lot of pitching prospects in the minors, they do have Jeremy Jeffress, who is one of the most talented young pitchers in the minors. Also the padres are lacking a solid middle infield, so both weeks and hardy could be expendable.

Braves offered Yunel Escobar.

Brewers offer Alcides Escobar.

Braves offered Hernandez or Shafer.

Brewers offer Caleb Gindel.

Braves offered Charlie Morton or JoJo Reyes.

Brewers offer Jeremy Jeffress..Maybe throw in another A ball guy?

1) Wrigley has a ton of history, but face it, its falling apart.
2) The cubs have "great" fans who pack the park every time, but look at chicago vs. milwaukee. Chicago has nearly 3 million people in it, while milwaukee has about 600,000. You better pack your seats if you have 3 million people in your city.
3) The brewers wont be a contender every year, becuse they cant support the payroll of these great players (see CC). Chicago can, so again, you better contend every year, and the brewers have built up through the draft and will be contenders (depending on offseason acquisitions) for a long while

as a cub fan the cubs dont have a pieces to get him so i still think the cubs will get him but a third team must be involved to get this done.

i can see a three way including the yankees, red sox, angels, rays, or the braves.

how it goes down is.

Cubs get: peavy

padres: cedeno, pie, hill, vitters, veal, hart,

from third team: good RHP/LHP and decent 1 of SS/2B/OF.

that third team gets: either Dlee (NTC) or some other cub player other then thee "untouchables"

what you think?

I think the Braves will still get it done. Towers just has to realize nobody else will pony up, and he'll call back.

"Just curious. Why would the Cubs be on Peavy's list but ABSOLUTELY NOT the Brewers?"

Because Peavy said as much, and its pretty well documented that Peavy wants to go to Chicago...even over atlanta. Good for "Cubs News", open pro sports daily, and read the peavy update.

Yea he will get traded, if the Braves was where he will go why isnt it done?? I think the Cubs get him, with a 3rd team. Same people that say he wont be a Cub (brewers fans) are the same ones who said Cubs wont get Harden... HMM how that work for ya?

"haha another cubs fan thinking that the cubs are the only team that anyone wants to play for, and why would anyone want to play in that dump at wrigley"

No one said that the Cubs are the only team Peavy wants to play for, but we did say that he does not want to play for the Brewers. It is well documented that the 5 teams are Cubs, Braves, Cardinals, Astros and Dodgers.

Good to see Towers holding out on the Braves. Their deal was sub-par most definitely. With a third team, the Cubs would definitely get him, but I don't think they will be able to get a third team involved. To be honest, I think he will remain a Padre until the trade deadline, at least.

the braves droped out, not the pads kicking them out. the pads would prob take a brave deal now, but the braves are telling him to screw off

I have said this before that the 3rd team could be Baltimore.

Cubs Get Peavy, Roberts
O's Get Greene, Hart, Fontenot
Padres Get Cedeno, Vitters, Marshall, Pie, Veal

Wow that would be too good of a deal for the Cubs. LOL the Cubs dont get that lucky with things. I can see the O's being that team, but i dont know about the players.

That trade makes no sense the padres wouldnt get any pitching prospects from the orioles. Thats the whole point of a 3rd team because the cubs dont have top pitching prospects. Your trade senerio just makes it easier for us to get roberts by having the pads give up Greene which probably would even help very much.

The rumored deal

To Cubs - Jake Peavy SD, Khalil Greene SD and Jermaine Dye CWS.

To White Sox - Kevin Hart CHC, Kyle Blanks SD. Plus other prospects from both sides.

To Padres - Josh Vitters CHC, Felix Pie CHC, Donald Veal CHC, Ronny Cedeno CHC, John Ely CWS, and outfield prospects from the White Sox.

chicubs25

There have been several posts in the Peavy saga that say he prefers to stay in the NL but would be open to a couple AL teams if the deal was right for him, and the Angels were one of the AL teams listed.

The Cubs are on the short list of teams that Peavy is willing to approve a trade to. I still think he ends up in Atlanta because the cubs will need to have a 3rd team that is willing to take on a player for some pitching. I see the Braves improving their deal slightly and making it Escobar, Hernandez, Morton, Locke, & Boyer they get 3 Major League ready players and 2 very good AA prospects.

The Cubs are on the short list of teams he preapproved a trade to when he signed his contract, but that doesn't mean other teams can't make offers. I'm sure he would consider a trade to a contending team that played in a pitcher friendly ballpark.

Moores just needs to step up and do the right thing and sell the team. Everyone already knows why he is doing this. Its not right for all of us Padre fans to have 3 or 4 good years and then be bad for the next 10. Im sad to see Peavy go but if he must go somewhere send him to the place where he will have a good chance to win a ring. The only answer to that would be the Chicago Cubs. But someone please tell Moores to sell the team before Kevin Towers butchers our roster and farm system.

I have said this before that the 3rd team could be Baltimore.

Cubs Get Peavy, Roberts
O's Get Greene, Hart, Fontenot
Padres Get Cedeno, Vitters, Marshall, Pie, Veal
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I'm sorry but that makes no sense to me. I don't believe the Cubs are the ones holding up a trade for Peavy which is what I infer from your scenario. Everyone you have going to the Padres is currently on the Cubs roster. Maybe I'm wrong but I thought it was the problem of the Cubs not having enough talent to offer that necessitated a 3rd teams involvement. I like the idea of getting Roberts too. I just don't think that's the hangup.

Say your scenario were true. Follow it up with the Cubs letting Dempster and Wood walk while signing Furcal and Randy Johnson.

Peavy(R)
Lilly(L)
Zambrano(R)
Ra. Johnson(L)
Harden(R)

Roberts(S)
Furcal(S)
Soriano(R)
Ramirez(R)
Lee(R)
Fukudome/Re. Johnson(L/R)
DeRosa(R)
Soto(R)

You could have 100 stolen bases out of the top 3rd of the lineup. I really wish they'd reconsider signing Wood for a year. But with the need for another lefty and cash I can see why they're gonna give Marmol a try. I guess what I really think is I'd rather have Wood than Gregg.

Marmol(R)
Samardzija(R)(starter insurance)
Gregg(R)
LHP TBD (George Sherrill?)
Gaudin(R) (starter insurance)
Cotts(L)

Blanco(R)
Re. Johnson/Fukudome(R/L)
Theriot(R)
Hoffpauir(L)
25th man TBD

That would be about as close to a complete team as I've seen. The only obvious weakness being CF. Reed Johnson would still be nice as a platoon but better yet Fukudome adjusts and gets that early '08 stroke back. It looks like he could play a competent defensive CF. OF D would be a moderate issue though.

This post really turned into a flight of fancy for me. Good times. The Hot Stove is turning into my favorite part of the season.

For the first time in my life I am rooting for the Yankees to spend more money. It kinda sad, and makes my feel a little dead inside. But if they are able to Sign say, CC and AJ, then either the Red Sox or Mets signs Lowe (both rumored to have interest) That would leave Dempster/Ollie as the best pitchers on the market, and maybe the Padres could still get equal value for Peavy.

It would be a long shot, but it could make the Braves come back to the table. Of course the other possibility of that would be the Braves just wait to next year, and let their young ones play.

2009 free agent pitchers (as far as i can tell, feel free to add any I missed)

Brandon Backe
Miguel Batista
Erik Bedard
Chris Capuano
Jose Contreras
Doug Davis
Justin Duchscherer
Kelvim Escobar
Rich Harden
John Lackey
Jason Marquis
Brett Myers
Vicente Padilla
Joel Pineiro
Jason Schmidt
Claudio Vargas
Jarrod Washburn
Todd Wellemeyer

With Webb, Beckett, Hudson, Eaton and a couple others with options.

AirmanSD,

its kind of comical to see Eaton's name in there with those others. Kind of like, which of these names is not like the other . . .

"Besides, guys like Gorkys Hernandez are not rare. Escobar had one above-average year and he isn't even an all-star. He's a good player, but he needs to prove a little more before we call him a top SS in the league."

Gorkys can out perform anyone of your current outfielders, minus Giles. Escobar can out perform any shortstop in your organization.

"He once traded Adam Eaton and Akinori Otsuka to Texas for Chris Young, Adrian Gonzalez and others."

Adrian Gonzalez is the only good piece they got out of that.

"And there's still the most likey option that Towers finds a better deal elsewhere. I guess we can then have the conversation about the prospects and how they would stack up against the Braves' offer, but I ultimately feel that the Braves failed to address what SD was after, which was good pitching."

How did the Braves fail? Last time I checked, no one has yet to find a better offer, including the Yankees.

Ha go get him Tim. Hey I'm sorry Cubs fans, but we can't get Peavy. Cause Hendry is now trading the package we offered for Dave Bush, Auggie Ojeda, and Miguel Montero from the D'Backs. Then trading Vitters for Ryan Freel.

''He once traded Adam Eaton and Akinori Otsuka to Texas for Chris Young, Adrian Gonzalez and others."

''Adrian Gonzalez is the only good piece they got out of that.''

Chris Young was a beast before got a line shot back to the face from Pujols. You clearly have no idea what your talking about.

You rarely see Chicago in a limited NTC's because it's just an outstanding summer city. From the restaurants to the night life to the major market opportunities, Chicago is a preferred destination for a lot of professional athletes.

As for Wrigley Field, of course it's a dump...it's over 70 years old, but the athletes don't have to piss in the troughs. It's common to hear pro athletes talk about how great the atmosphere is at Wrigley Field and most ballplayers with families enjoy day baseball.

"Gorkys can out perform anyone of your current outfielders, minus Giles. Escobar can out perform any shortstop in your organization."

First of all, I think you're giving up a little fast on Gerut's comeback, and I highly doubt Hernandez can outhit Headley, who was a top 10 prospect in all of baseball last year.

Second, as far as Escobar outperforming any shortstop in our organization, I agree he's probably better than Greene overall. I still want to see him hit 27 HR's and 97 RBI's in a year at MLB level, playing half the games at Petco. Until he does that, I guess I can make the case he hasn't even outperformed Greene yet.

"Adrian Gonzalez is the only good piece they got out of that."

Chris Young, as opposed to Escobar, has made an all-star game, and as another poster pointed out, is a fantastic pitcher (he actually led the league in Wins and ERA at the all-star break in 2007 before getting injured) when he's not getting hit by line drives in the face. He actually could outperform any of the Braves pitchers in 2009. You don't watch much baseball outside of Atlanta, do you?

"How did the Braves fail? Last time I checked, no one has yet to find a better offer, including the Yankees."

They failed by offering Charlie Morton. On the pitching front, even an inferior Cubs offer had better pitching. The Braves' overall offer was better, but not the pitching part. The offseason is still young, and I still believe an offer will come around that eclipses the Braves' offer.

"What you all fail to remember is that it was PEAVY who went to Towers to ask for a trade. He saw that the Padres weren't going to be good for a few years and ASKED to be traded. Then, he limited his teams to 5. Towers was never the one initiating the original trade talks.
Knowing that, Towers is correct for setting his requirements for a team to trade for Peavy, and sticking to them."

That would absolutely be incorrect. If you go back to the first times Towers mentioned the possibility of assessing a market for Peavy, Peavy said his desire was to remain. It's only after he found out that Towers was shopping him aggressively that he came back and said "if they don't want me here, I don't want to be here either."

uww1:

Let me get this straight.. The White Sox are going to trade Jermaine Dye and Ely to the Cubs to help you get Peavy - and get back Kevin Hart in return?!?

What are you smoking???

Why wouldn't the Sox deal Dye for a much needed starter ourselves? Wanna give us Harden? That's the same level of ridiculousness.

Face it Cubs fans, you don't have the prospects to make that Peavy deal (or the Roberts one for that matter) and no matter how many of your subpar prospects think you can spin to another team, you won't get that A+ pitching prospect needed to close the deal.

Peavy's going to the Dodgers or Braves, as before. They're just have their poker faces on, and Towers is trying to involve other teams to drive the price up to what he expects.

"The whole way Towers is handling Hoffman and Peavy is making him look bad. Never said he was a bad GM. Just seems he is having a bad early offseason from a PR perception. He should keep the 'train leaving' comments to himself and let his MLB saves leader leave with a little more class."

Couldn't agree more. And as a Padres fan, both situations hurt. Bad. You watch two team guys be pushed out without any class and it sucks.

I get what you're saying from a PR standpoint. People here have been bashing KT from a business standpoint. It may not be pretty, but from a business standpoint, it's hard to make a compelling case that Towers is a bad GM. The Padres are cutting payroll big time. Towers is doing the best he can with the cards he was dealt with.

From October 5th:

"Peavy's agent, Barry Axelrod, who lives in the San Diego area and is very friendly with Towers, said: "My guess is, unless somebody knocks their socks off this offseason, I don't expect that Jake will be moved. I would think that starting the middle of next year and into the next offseason, there could be a significant possibility of Jake being moved" because of Peavy's significant raise from 2009 to 2010."
"'I want to be here, but I want to be here with a chance to win a World Series. If someone says, 'Hey, we're going to rebuild, that's not going to be our top priority,' you certainly would wonder what your other options are.'"

Now, that can be construed two different ways. Peavy says he wants to stay. But the next sentence is him saying he wants to go to a contender. Also, Towers says he's not going to trade Peavy unless "his socks are blown off".

This is how it'll play out:

Peavy to the Cubs, Vitters to the Giants, and Tim Alderson, Pie, Cedeno and Marshall to the Padres.

Everyone's happy.

According to this article, Braves are still pursuing Peavy.

http://www.thomastontimes.com/articles/2008/11/17/sports/sports2.txt

"No, they really don't. I don't know how anybody can be so ignorant to say that. When push comes to shove, you are trading for a Cy Young award winning pitcher. 10 times out of 10, the team trading that pitcher has all the leverage"

You're not too bright, are you 123456789? Pretty much the only remaining team Peavy would want to be traded to has said they're moving on and yet somehow the Padres somehow still have the leverage to keep demanding what they were? I don't know how anybody can be so ignorant to say that.