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To recap: Teixeira told Erin Andrews on Thursday that he wants to have it finished before Christmas, according to Mike Scarr of mlb.com. It's reasonable to anticipate the winter meetings, December 8-11, to be a suitable high profile venue for Boras to break the news. The Angels are preparing an offer for Mark Teixeira, perhaps with a deadline. If he doesn't accept it, they may make a move for Jake Peavy. The Yankees are "set to be aggressive" if they only land one of CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, or Derek Lowe. The Red Sox are apparently "lusting" for him, but are otherwise hush-hush, a sign that they might offer Teixeira the biggest contract in club history, predicts Tony Masarotti of the Boston Herald.
Teixeira seems to be leaning towards East Coast teams, says Randy Youngman of the Orange County Register. Says Youngman,
"I don't think it will be with the Angels. If he were going to re-sign in Anaheim, I think it already would have happened. Just a gut feeling. Even the people I talk to in the organization don't seem optimistic. Teixeira would be ridiculed if he signed with perpetual losers such as the Baltimore Orioles or Washington Nationals, so my guess is he'll sign with the Boston Red Sox."
The Boston Globe's Nick Cafardo thinks Teixeira will wind up with the Angels because, while the Angels might struggle to afford him, they simply can't afford to lose him.
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Thats a very interesting prediction from Masarotti.
What is the largest contract offered to a player so far by yhe sox?
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Never mind I got it:
Manny Ramierez $160 million for 8 years.
So whats that looking like for tex? 160-180 over 8? O thought I rememberd Tex saying he wanted a 10 year deal.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 12:09 PM
I think the Red Sox pushing hard for tex would be a really good idea but obviously the Sox have to dish Lowell somwhere else.
What seems most interesting to me about Youngmans article is that he says Tex might only want to play on the east coast, and then doesn't even mention the Yankees as a possibility.
Hes obviously not first on their list of targets but I mean come on? not even a mention?
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Nats and O's non contenders for the next 10 years? I'm glad you can predict so far into the future. I mean why even play the games right?
Posted by: epic | November 23, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Randy Youngman with some top-notch journalism right there. His "gut feeling" is that he won't resign with Anaheim, because he thinks it would have already happened already. How often do Boras clients looking for huge contracts sign within the first couple of weeks? How about the fact that Anaheim is still preparing their offer and haven't actually presented it to Tex yet?
Posted by: garriscp | November 23, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Sox can sign anyone they want. Sox would of loved to kept Manny but with the way he was acting in the clubhouse he had to go and so hes gone. the Sox would love to have Peavy but Towers is asking for the moon which I Can understand why because Peavy is an Ace type pitcher and so Jake should get a decent haul back and the Sox dont want to give up the prospects needed to get Peavy so hes probably not coming to Boston. Theo would love to sign CC but they really dont need him with boston already having an ace in Josh beckett
Posted by: Larsen101 | November 23, 2008 at 12:25 PM
I see the yankees signing Teixeira. The red sox's really dont need him. I really think their just trying to drive up the price. Also i thought the red sox's had a young 1st base prospect in the minors. But i could see the Sox's going after Jarrod S. from the rangers more and not resigning Jason V. But if the red sox's do sign him somehow you will see the yankees trade for someone that has not even come up(Prince Fielder maybe) and the red sox's will be buying their players also.
Posted by: yanks12025 | November 23, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Yeah he will be ridiculed for going to play close to home. And of course adding Teixeira to the middle of the O's line up is not an addition.
This is why Football is America's game now. Any team can be a play off contender within a couple years. But not when only 3 teams can afford the top players.
Posted by: XD23 | November 23, 2008 at 12:58 PM
wait so the sox are a young poor team?
2nd highest pay roll, Ortiz, LOwell, Varitek, Timlin etc.... I guess that puts them right in with the Rays.
Ignorance.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 01:02 PM
didnt timlin retire a while ago?
Posted by: austin020690 | November 23, 2008 at 01:25 PM
No he4 did not, yet.
But he guy also forgot Dice-K,Beckett,bay. They all make in the millions. Next thing you knwo so willl Lester and Papelbum.
Posted by: yanks12025 | November 23, 2008 at 01:30 PM
Wow, i messed up my last post bad. It should read:
No he did not,yet
GeneseoMC20 also forgot about Dice-K,Beckett,Bay. They all make in the millions. And next thing you know Lester and Papelbum will also be making multi-millions.
Posted by: yanks12025 | November 23, 2008 at 01:34 PM
The yankees have young players also, Cano,Joba,Nady,Bruney,Hughes, Ramirez,Veres,Wang,Gardner
Posted by: yanks12025 | November 23, 2008 at 01:37 PM
Yanks12025 actually Dice-K, Beckett, and Bay all make under 12 million a year, not that its not a ton of money but its nothing compared to what the Yanks offered C.C. And no the Sox dont have the second highest payroll, the mets do.
Posted by: Reality Check | November 23, 2008 at 01:52 PM
you're not suggesting the sox don't rely on their payroll?
matsuzaka cost them a $50million posting fee. nobody came within $20 of that. they got beckett in a salary dump trade, cause they could pay him and the marlins couldn't. i mean, let's be fair. there's no doubt the sox have definitely made smarter moves with their money.. but sox fans decrying yankee spending is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
Posted by: the_kid_01 | November 23, 2008 at 02:14 PM
$20mill*
Posted by: the_kid_01 | November 23, 2008 at 02:14 PM
Tex will be a yankee
8 years 175 MM
Posted by: Stephen | November 23, 2008 at 02:21 PM
The sox dont rely on their money they rely on their farm system and trades and then use their money to keep guys that they draft/ trade.
Posted by: Reality Check | November 23, 2008 at 02:34 PM
"wait so the sox are a young poor team?"
Who said and/or implied that? No one. So why exactly are you just randomly insulting Red Sox fans? Every Red Sox fan KNOWS we have a huge payroll... 4th last year by the way, behind the two new yorks and detroit.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | November 23, 2008 at 02:34 PM
Reality Check, your compleatly missing the point. What im saying is that the Red Sox are in the same classification as the Yankees. They are nothing like the Rays.
The difference between the Yankees and Red Sox is that the Red Sox were smarter with their spending and have been winning more. If they go and offer Tex the kind of money that is being discussed then they pretty much become the next "Evil Empire."
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 02:35 PM
Start Wearing Purple, Reality Check DID say that, but his post has somehow dissappeared. I will try to replicate what he said.
"The Orioles will not be able to content with young teams(Rays, Sox) and rich teams(Yanks)"
or something to that effect.
I didnt just make it up.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 02:40 PM
"The difference between the Yankees and Red Sox is that the Red Sox were smarter with their spending and have been winning more."
I wouldn't necessarily say that when we have Lugo ready to ride the bench. The Red Sox success lately is their use of their farm. Between 1997 and 2005 the most successful position player to be developed by the yanks was Andy Phillips. During the same time span the Red Sox developed Youk, Pedroia, Ellsbury, and Lowrie. Meanwhile they're allowed the comfort of growing pains from the money given to players like Matz, Beckett, Manny, Ortiz, Drew, etc etc etc.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | November 23, 2008 at 02:43 PM
Ok im starting to get a little upset. Posts on this page keep dissapearing.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 02:46 PM
"Start Wearing Purple, Reality Check DID say that, but his post has somehow dissappeared. I will try to replicate what he said."
Alright then, my apologies. Yes, the Red Sox are a rich team. Hell even in the early Evil Empire days the statement was more just to compare the difference between the Red Sox and Yankees, not the whole league. But now it's known more as a joke. But it's not like other teams don't spend. Ten teams this year were over the 100M mark.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | November 23, 2008 at 02:46 PM
"Between 1997 and 2005 the most successful position player to be developed by the yanks was Andy Phillips."
Dude that was so wrong and foolsih you actualy made me smile.
During 1997 - 2005 Id say that we have had just about as many players come out of our system. I mean where do you think Robinson Cano came from, or Wang or Hughes, or Joba or Melkey? What about Alfonso Soriano, we had him for 3 1/2 years before we used him to get A-Rod.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 02:56 PM
oops you said position player my bad.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 02:59 PM
OK so just Melky, Cano, and Soriano. What does being a position player have to do with it. Talent is Talent so I guess Im going to keep those guys on that list.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 03:01 PM
draft i meant, that also gets rid of soriano and cano. That was Olney's article from a while ago: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=3589629
The point being was the reason the Red Sox have been more successful is been they're becoming smarter at the draft and smarter at figuring out which prospects to hold on to.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | November 23, 2008 at 03:06 PM
What is the difference, it shouldn't matter how a player comes out of your farm system, just that they are your player and that you didnt have to buy them.
And I would say that since Cashman has had his way, our farm system has been doing pretty good.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 03:11 PM
J. Peavy to yanks 09
M. Teixeira to boston
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Posted by: arod13 | November 23, 2008 at 03:20 PM
i dont get it.. someone explain this to me.
so the new york yankees, the team every SINGLE child growing up wants to play for them. but when they become professionals they require more money to play there. seems like the yankees over pay because these players dont in fact want to play there but the price tag is too high to say no.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | November 23, 2008 at 03:22 PM
hughes,kennedy,melancone(sp)and a hitting prospect? for peavy
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | November 23, 2008 at 03:28 PM
the yankees don't have a legitimate hitting prospect.. unless you're willing to give up austin jackson. then you might have something.
Posted by: the_kid_01 | November 23, 2008 at 03:43 PM
the yankees also have a catcher named jesus montero who has an 80 on the 20-80 scale. Hes projected to make his debut by 2010.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 03:51 PM
an 80 for power.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 03:52 PM
The yankees might have more fans than any other team in the league but for every fan of the yankees there are like 4 that absolutley hate them more than any other team, so the ratio is not exactly in thier favor.
From what i have found through my time playing baseball in high school and in college, is that a majority of the players dont really even follow Major League Baseball, and its the greats that, to me, seem to be the most impartial to any one franchise.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 03:52 PM
GeneseoMC20: "I think the Red Sox pushing hard for tex would be a really good idea but obviously the Sox have to dish Lowell somwhere else."
If the Red Sox get Tex, I predict they will hold on to Lowell. He probably can't start the season right away and he'll be worth a lot more in July at deadline time than he is now as a health question mark.
Posted by: Little Bear | November 23, 2008 at 04:11 PM
Well obviously that is what the Red Sox would like to do, but the fact is, Lowell signed on to be their STARTING thidbaseman, not to ride the bench untill July. If Texiera is aquired, and Youkilis isnt being dealt (which I dont know why he would be) then Lowell will request to be traded, and I cant imagine why the sox wouldnt honor that request.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 04:17 PM
Teixeira would be ridiculed with signing with the Nationals or Orioles for zillions of dollars?
Two words: Gil Meche.
Posted by: brianrein | November 23, 2008 at 04:31 PM
montero just played his first season at single-a ball. let's take it easy.
Posted by: the_kid_01 | November 23, 2008 at 04:40 PM
Geneseo- the difference between the Sox and Yankees payroll is not negligable. The Red sox only have 64% of the Yankees payroll.
Using that logic, couldn't one also say that the Red Sox have practically the same payroll as the Brewers or Astros (and thats now what I am suggesting). There is no doubt the Red Sox have a lot of money to work with, but the Yankees spent 75 million more in 2008.
Thats 3 A-rods.
Posted by: themfightnwords | November 23, 2008 at 04:44 PM
man, your compleatly missing the argument.
Im not saying the yankees dont blow other teams out of the water with spending. Im saying that the red sox spend enough to be considedered a wealthy team. someone else tried to group them in with the rays and I said that you cant do that.
Try to follow the argument.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 04:49 PM
Hey im not the scout that made that assesment.
He had one atbat during spring training and he crushed a monster shot to right field. and in his one season at single A ball he did very well.
He's a legitamate prospect.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 04:52 PM
how'd the o's work out for miguel tejada? there's no way teix signs there. boras is just using them to make the angels jealous.
Posted by: the_kid_01 | November 23, 2008 at 04:53 PM
Your completely missing the point GeneseoMC20 my argument had nothing to do with whether the Sox are a wealthy team or not. My argument was that the Orioles will be bad for the next ten years because they have no pitching and are in a division in which the Sox, Yanks, and Rays will continue to be good. Your making an argument out of nothing, typical Yanks fan
Posted by: Reality Check | November 23, 2008 at 05:52 PM
wow, I wasnt refuting that point of your post. I know the orioles are screwed in the AL east, no one can deny that. I just called you out on a bogus statement and from their a seperate argument was made which involved other people.
Nice job though with the whole "typical yanks fan" insult. That really adds a lot of substance to your remark.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 06:19 PM
Teixeira will be in a Red Sox uniform come 2009.
Yanks will get CC and Burnett.
Posted by: daniel b. | November 23, 2008 at 07:44 PM
I dont want it to go down that way, but that is how I see it happening, logically.
But since when do baseball players/teams do anything logically.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | November 23, 2008 at 07:50 PM
"But if the red sox's do sign him somehow you will see the yankees trade for someone that has not even come up(Prince Fielder maybe) and the red sox's will be buying their players also."
Call me when Boston routinely outspends the next highest team by 50 million.
Hell, let me know when Boston or any other organization crosses the 200 million mark.
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Posted by: Kenan and Kel | November 23, 2008 at 09:24 PM
RE:matsuzaka cost them a $50million posting fee. nobody came within $20 of that. they got beckett in a salary dump trade, cause they could pay him and the marlins couldn't. i mean, let's be fair. there's no doubt the sox have definitely made smarter moves with their money.. but sox fans decrying yankee spending is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
No, Beckett was traded because the Marlins sucked and needed to rebuild, Lowell was the salary dump in that trade. And the only reason we "decry" the yankees payroll is because we can. Look at the difference,the yankees wasted money on players like Giambi, Pavano and Rodriguez. the red sox posted $50 million for daisuke yeah, but it sounds like you're just a sore loser. The Red Sox get players who are cheap with high upside and they know how to get the most out of them while the yankees overpay for injury riddled players like pavano and overachievers in small markets and don't realize that without the help of a giant ball park or a park being a mile up in the atmoshphere, they're nothing more than average.
Posted by: soxfreak13 | November 24, 2008 at 02:44 AM
soxfreak13:
YOur arguements are so lame. In your eyes everything and everyone related to the Yanks sucks and everything related to Boston is gold. Give me a break. Was the Rodriguez you refered to Arod or Ivan? And this comment that all the FA's the Sucks trade for have huge upside...Lowell? Drew? Lugo? Schilling? Who exactly did they get as cheap? The Beckett, Lowell trade was a good one for a year and I would do it in a heart beat (Beckett for Ramirez) but let's not act as if you robbed the Marlins. Hanley is a MVP type player meanwhile you've invested a lot of money in Lowell and Beckett will be going into his last year (2010 option year) and will require lot's of money as well. Meanwhile you're stillsearching for a starting SS (Renteria, Cabrera, Lugo and now Lowrie who hit .258 w/ 2 hrs last year). If Beckett has another good year he'll be asking for Zito type money as well. And for all this talk the Yanks haven't signed a big FA from another team in years (Pavano, Damon, Matsui). Last year all of our signings were to retain our own players (Rivera, Posada, Arod and Pettite). And for the record CC never said he doesn't want to pitch in the AL east. Thru "friends" and "sources" they've said he prefers a NL west coast team because he grew up in LA and likes to hit. Doesn't mean he will only sign with one of those teams (Giants, Dodgers). Also, why does anyone care what the Yanks offered? It was common knowledge that CC want a deal better than Santana (6 yrs/137 mil). The Yanks know that someone will offer more than the Brew's $100 mil. We don't need to play games. let's lay it on the line and set the bar where we know it'll eventually end. Why submitt a sub-par offfer to him?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | November 24, 2008 at 10:08 AM
i think the red sox fans in this are those pink hat college girls who think baseball just started in 2004
Posted by: JP | November 24, 2008 at 11:07 AM
people forget how championship teams are built. from 96 to 01 the yankees were built on the farm and key trades much like the recent red sox teams. when those players get old its hard to replace them draft wise when you have last picks and any other round is a gamble, so they sign guys. the red sox will do the same thing when they get old, not to mention mulityear deals to youk, pedroia, pap, ellsbury and lester is a few years and lets see whos payroll is low.
Posted by: JP | November 24, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Wow JP, the only thing you forgot was to shout 26! as loud as you can. 1996-2000 (Yanks lost in '01) was nice but it is ancient history. Have been a Sox fan since the day I was born (child of the 60's) so I have seen both the good and the bad and I own no pink hats. Face it cuz, in recent times (post 2000), you guys haven't won it. Listen to your own media (am 660 WFAN etc), the Sox have done a better job with the FA acquisitions and the farm system of late. I will grant you injuries where they happened (2008 to start with) but Sox had them too and still took the ALCS to game 7 and won the WS in 2007. It was a long time coming but with the end of the Yawkey/Duquette years, John Henry et al have really done a nice job with drafting, developing milb players, and acquiring FA's. Schilling and Beckett were essential pieces of two different WS champ teams. Credit where credit is due...the Sox have not done it all thru payroll.
Posted by: jackmart13 | November 24, 2008 at 04:30 PM
Youngman's most recent "gut" feeling from a couple of weeks ago: "Youngman expects the Angels to make Mark Teixeira an offer before their exclusive rights to him expire Thursday. He predicts a six or seven year offer for about $20MM per season" Wrong again Randy.
Posted by: Patrick O'Duffy | November 24, 2008 at 04:56 PM
sign Tex for 8 yrs. 168 million
Posted by: redsoxhotstove | November 25, 2008 at 06:31 PM