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By Nat Boyle [November 23, 2008 at 10:03am CST]
Olney's latest from his blog:
- He puts out a one liner: "The Red Sox are preparing, full-steam ahead, to play 2009 without Jason Varitek." This may in part be posturing to counter Boras seeking Posada money.
- Olney suggests that if the Knicks are making a move for Lebron James, then further incentive would exist for CC Sabathia to accept the Yankees $140MM offer. Take this with a huge grain of salt of course. The two are friends from their days in Cleveland. More realistically, he cuts to the point: if no California teams make a nine-figure offer, "folks involved" say he'll be in pinstripes.
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does olney know basketball? he wont be dealt... he's a free agent in 2 years and thats why the knicks are clearing cap room.
here's hoping for both to come to new york though. :D
Posted by: TheKiid | November 23, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Buster Olney obviously knows nothing about the NBA.
1. He's not going to be traded, he'll sign with them in 2010.
2. 2010 is a long way away, I'm pretty sure Sabathia's mind will be made up by then.
Posted by: nymforlife | November 23, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Ah beat me to it. I think if the Nets move to Brooklyn, then he'll sign with them since he's good friends with Jay-Z, the owner. If they stay in Jersey, then he's definitely headed to MSG.
Posted by: nymforlife | November 23, 2008 at 10:19 AM
NEW POSTS!! Sox should already just trade for one of the Ranger's catchers and let Tek get started somewhere else.
Posted by: CubFanRaysaddict | November 23, 2008 at 10:20 AM
i thought that he would be a shoe in for the brooklyn franchise, but... the stadium might not be built. im also a sad knicks fan looking for any glimmer of hope. so let me just hope for 2 years would ya? lol.
Posted by: TheKiid | November 23, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Olneys rationale is dumber than most of the posts on this site.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | November 23, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Cmon Olney. What exactly are the Knicks going to trade for Lebron?
Posted by: SierraM | November 23, 2008 at 10:35 AM
At least boras has come down to 2/14. That was about the highest he could have gotten so why he started with a redonkulous posada like demand who knows. I am guessing this means tek will be back with the sox on a deal that is plenty reasonable. Boras would not be down that far already if there wasn't zero market for tek which is hardly surprising.
Posted by: walkoffblast | November 23, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Boras is going to ruin Varitek's career in Boston.
Posted by: Larsen101 | November 23, 2008 at 10:37 AM
Olney never said the Knicks were trading for LeBron. He said they made trades that cold help them sign LeBron. Meaning they will have Cap Space in 2010
Posted by: jman120 | November 23, 2008 at 10:38 AM
Even if the team is in Brooklyn (whether it's built or not).. the nets will still not have the market that the Knicks have..
It's like the Yankees and Mets, Gaints and Jets or the Rangers and Islanders... all the teams have marketability, but we all know the Yankees, Giants Rangers and Knicks dominate NY.. They dominate the endorsements... Lebron James, or CC Sabathia, or anyone, while making endorsement dollars with the Nets, Mets, or wherever won't be as big as if they were Yankees or a Knick.
I was listening to basketball radio the other day... I could only dream of Lebron and Wade in the Garden together... or Lebron and Amare... ahhhhh that'd be nice.
Posted by: casper | November 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM
"Olneys rationale is dumber than most of the posts on this site."
No. Olney's rationale is dumber than everyone's post on this site.
Posted by: icedrake523 | November 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM
and c'mon CC dont sign with the Yanks. Sign in the NL and you can pitch and hit.
Posted by: Larsen101 | November 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM
This just in: The Knicks GM just engineered the largest blockbuster of them all. Lebron is headed to the big apple with the entire team headed to the Cavs in return. They then sent most of them off to the Padres because they aren't good enought o play basketball anyway, Kevin Towers is going to try Al Harington at SS. Towers is sending Jake Peavy in return to the Yankees. The Yankees are sending Ian Kennedy to the Jets because no one in baseball wants him. The Jets turn around and ship Kennedy off to the 49ers dressed as a QB, the Yorks are not smart enough to figure it out until 2012, & the 49ers send the Jets next years 1st round draft pick and Patrick Willis.
CC Sabathia see's all of this and figures they are finally heading in the right direction and signs for pin stripes.
Posted by: Longing for Manny...Burriss that is!!! | November 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM
mark my words.. if Varitek isn't a red sock next year.. team ERA goes up a half run at least.
Posted by: casper | November 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Casper, I agree itd be mad nice to see LeBron and Wade together, but putting a big name next to Lebron would be more useful, like u mentioned, Amare. But I think Chris Bosh would be a better fit
Posted by: jman120 | November 23, 2008 at 10:43 AM
i meant big *man. n i truly believe the red soxs will regret it if they let varitex go
Posted by: jman120 | November 23, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Amare is great but the Knicks need a big man in the post, eddy curry sucks. Yoa would be a great fit.
Posted by: yankfan1 | November 23, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Since when did this turn into a basketball rumor blog??
Posted by: Patrick Jarrett | November 23, 2008 at 10:57 AM
"mark my words.. if Varitek isn't a red sock next year.. team ERA goes up a half run at least."
I completely agree with you, Casper.
Posted by: Youkk11111 | November 23, 2008 at 11:00 AM
"mark my words.. if Varitek isn't a red sock next year.. team ERA goes up a half run at least."
Studies have shown that catchers have very little outcome on pitching staff ERAs. There is no way that it is a half run's worth.
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | November 23, 2008 at 11:00 AM
I live in akron which is where lebron grew up and (somewhat) still lives. He gave up his city roots for the burbs and is building a huge home about 2 minutes from me. I cant wait till he leaves cleveland. after hearing about every time he sneezed in high school and talk shows call ins saying they cant believe he is leaving cleveland...I hope he goes to new york, chicago...anywhere but here. He is holding the city hostage by playing for his home town team but going to indians games wearing a yankees hat and going to browns games and hanging out with the cowboys players. I have no problem with him being a fan of other teams, but do you have to rub it in the faces of cleveland fans??? He is a good player, but not the kind of player that jordan, bird, and magic were. I still think kobe is the better player of the two.
Posted by: integr96 | November 23, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Cubbyfan -- this isn't a regular catcher.. it's Jason Varitek.. You don't think he has an effect on the pitchers???? Most catchers don't but when pitchers trust you.. they make all the difference in the world.
And it became about basketball ever since Al Harrinton is the starting shortshop for the Padres.
Posted by: casper | November 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Integra96 - without trying to make this about basketball..
You look at what Jordan did for the bulls his 2nd or 3rd year in... what Kobe did and what Lebron did..
You can make the arguement that: Jordan=Lebron> Kobe
This kid is for real, and im sorry that you have so much animosity towards him... You must be a bitter athlete that never made anything out of yourself.
Posted by: casper | November 23, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Maybe LeBron comes here is C.C. does. The other way around is definitely not possible.
Posted by: bobbymcnally | November 23, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Unless we have a time machine as a sign on bonus to CC... lol
Posted by: casper | November 23, 2008 at 11:10 AM
"Cubbyfan -- this isn't a regular catcher.. it's Jason Varitek.. You don't think he has an effect on the pitchers???? Most catchers don't but when pitchers trust you.. they make all the difference in the world."
Even Mike Matheny didn't make a statistical difference, when he went out to SF he actually had a worse pitcher ERA than his backstop (can't remember who off the top of my head, but not someone known for defensive prowess).
I think it's one of those things like clutch, I'm sure it exists just a bit but not to a large enough amount that you should pay anyone for having it.
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | November 23, 2008 at 11:13 AM
casper...I agree, he is for real. I think it is great that cleveland has such a great player that can actually bring revenue into this city since the Indians and Browns are incapable of doing so. What I hate is that the media follows him around so much that it only sets him up for failure. If the media is going to do that to the guy, let them do it to a player that is actually in a big city (i.e. NY or CHI). I will say the one nice thing about him is that he is such a down to earth person. You can go to the mall and see him there (and it is not an upscale mall at all), or you can go to a nice restaurant and see him there. He does not seclude himself from the everyday folk by any means. By the way, I did play baseball and basketball but only until 8th grade (and I was only good at baseball) so it is not animosity that drives this.
Posted by: integr96 | November 23, 2008 at 11:15 AM
I am not saying it's the "calling of the game"... That does have things to do with it.. but it's just the trust they have with a certain catcher.. being able to calm him down, and help him through it..
Why do you think the nobody wanted to throw to pudge last year for NY? Why do you think pitcher's have "personal catchers"...
It's how you call the game, how you respond, how you work the umpires, how you receive the ball, how you give signs, the throw to second...
It's not a coincidence that every Boston pitcher likes throwing to Tek, minus wakefield.. but that's only because he can't catch wakefield, lol..
Posted by: casper | November 23, 2008 at 11:17 AM
dude obviosly u people have not a clue about the nba
the knicks and nets will have the same amount of money in basebatball there is a salary cap therefore each team will offer lebron roughly the same amount of money.
Posted by: soxsucketh33 | November 23, 2008 at 11:26 AM
basketball***
Posted by: soxsucketh33 | November 23, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Sox.. but how much of that money is available to the nets?
I was at least talking about the appeal in a Knick uniform versus a Net one... If all else is equal a knick player will get more endorsements then a Net player... well, if the knicks are doing well at least, lol...
Posted by: casper | November 23, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Lebron traded to the Knicks? He seriously typed that?? I understand he is a baseball guy but usually they have some residual knowledge of other sports. The Knicks could ship their entire roster to Cleveland and pay all their salaries for the next 5 years and Cleveland would still be getting ripped off...
Posted by: MVPujols | November 23, 2008 at 11:34 AM
"Lebron traded to the Knicks? He seriously typed that??"
Olney didn't type that. The poster did. Nat needs to actually read what the original author writes before he creates his paragraph. He's leading everyone to assume Olney doesn't know what he's talking about because his work has been mis-reported by Nat.
Olney said that the Knocks made trades this week that will clear up cap space for a chance to acquire James when he is a FREE AGENT.
Nat, please report correctly. Most posters here don't seem to have the time to read Olney's story, or any linked story, so you need to report accurately. Thank you.
Posted by: DodgersBruin | November 23, 2008 at 11:46 AM
red sox.. if you don't think that pitchers aren't comfortable pitching to catchers then you're on drugs.
Yeah, they're all overpaid.. but, it's the same thing as anything else.. an infielder throwing to a first baseman they can't trust, is not much different...
If I have a NASTY curveball and i don't trust the catcher.. do you really think im going to throw it as good as I can with the tieing or winning run on 3rd? How about a catcher that you don't trust what he calls.. are you going to throw that 3-2 curveball? or the 3-0 one for that matter?
There's a 1,000 different reasons why pitchers and catchers have the relationship they do.. If you go ask the main pitchers from Boston: Beckett, DiceK, Lester, Buchholz, Masterson, etc... you think they'd chose to bring Tek back or let him go?
Posted by: casper | November 23, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Onley just wrote the dumbest thing I ever read. I wrote in a post that LeBron might be able to convince CC to go to NY but certainly not because he expected to be traded there. But LeBron and CC are good friends and LB is a fan of the Yanks and may head there as a FA in 2010.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | November 23, 2008 at 12:26 PM
"They have bopped around New York together in the past, and on Friday, the Knicks made trades that are being viewed as precursors to their pursuit, in another 20 months, of James."
Olney never says the Knicks would trade for Lebron. He says they are going to pursue him in 2010 as a free agent.
Posted by: DodgersBruin | November 23, 2008 at 12:29 PM
integr96 wrote:
I live in akron which is where lebron grew up and (somewhat) still lives. He gave up his city roots for the burbs and is building a huge home about 2 minutes from me. I cant wait till he leaves cleveland. after hearing about every time he sneezed in high school and talk shows call ins saying they cant believe he is leaving cleveland...I hope he goes to new york, chicago...anywhere but here. He is holding the city hostage by playing for his home town team but going to indians games wearing a yankees hat and going to browns games and hanging out with the cowboys players. I have no problem with him being a fan of other teams, but do you have to rub it in the faces of cleveland fans??? He is a good player, but not the kind of player that jordan, bird, and magic were. I still think kobe is the better player of the two.
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Fans like you really make me sick. I grew up in NY and moved to Cleveland in '99. LeBron is the best thing that has ever happened to Cleveland and people like you are going to run him out of town. He's a great player that gives 110% every game, keeps out of trouble and drama, hustles and has taken your team deep into the playoffs every year including your 1st finals appearance in team history. So what he's a Yanks and Dallas Cowboys fan? As long as he plays hard for the Cavs who cares? He already signed an extension once which indicated he wanted to stay and BY NBA RULES he can't sign another extension until late 09 anyway. I can't LeBron wanting to leave soley based on money for to hang with jay Z. As long as Daniel Gilbert tries to rpvoide the supporting cast and is committed to winning then I think there's a better than 50% chance of him staying as long as stupid fans like yourself don't piss him off and run him out of town. Would you beleive that these stupid fans booed him because he dribbled the clock out when the Cavs were up by well over 10 points in the 4th qtr of a game. Why you ask? Did he have a bad game? No he scored 41 points. Why did they boo him you ask? Because Taco Bell has a promotion running where they give everybody a free freakin' Chilupa if the Cavs scored 100 points and they were stuck at 99 with 10 secs to go. Stupid! Fans paying $50 a seat booing him over a freakin' $1 Chalupa. After he scored 41 in a win. Only in Cleveland.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | November 23, 2008 at 12:40 PM
By the way, I'm a die hard (as if there's any other) Knicks fan. I would love to see the Knicks get LeBron but I honestly don't expect them to win for at least another 2 years even if they did get him. I'd rather see him stay in Cleveland and bring this city a championship and see the Knicks concentrate on building a good all around team.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | November 23, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Somebody get that bottle away from Olney before he makes another NBA blog!
Posted by: Big Mac | November 23, 2008 at 01:15 PM
the argument with varitek and his "game calling" abilities is a preferential one. when lester throws a gem its varitek but how did he help buch when he was imploding every 5 days for 2 months or craig hansen?
casper - i spend way too much time thinking about this stuff and this is what ive concluded.. pitchers are absolutely more comfortable with certain catchers but i refuse to believe it has any impact on their performance. perhaps a younger guy but i just dont buy that josh beckett forgets how to pitch if 'tek weren't behind the plate.
boston will negotiate fairly with 'tek but they dont owe him a 4 year deal simply b/c of what hes done over the course of his career. they have to award contracts based on future performance.
i think a 2 year deal is sufficient but i dont believe he should be making more annually than he did these last 4 years.
Posted by: EWS1532 | November 23, 2008 at 01:58 PM
*any significant impact.. i should clarify.
the idea that the team ERA is going to go up .5 runs is one of the stupidest things ive ever heard.
Posted by: EWS1532 | November 23, 2008 at 01:59 PM
"mark my words.. if Varitek isn't a red sock next year.. team ERA goes up a half run at least."
Here's the trouble with your prediction... if Varitek's gone and the team ERA goes up a run, you'll say, "I told you so." But if Varitek leaves and the team ERA goes down, you'll find another explanation... "the pitchers' raw stuff improved... opponents' BABIP was down... the defense stepped up a notch because Lugo wasn't out there..."
The truth is, we don't know how much of a measurable impact Varitek has on the pitching staff, and the only information we have to go on is lip service from players. You can't even look at CERA (catcher's ERA) as an accurate measure, because you'd have to measure Varitek against other catchers on the Red Sox, rather than against catchers on other teams who work with different rotations. Comparing Varitek to Mirabelli or Cash is also useless, because a disproportionate number of the backups' innings come during Wakefield starts.
Basically, it's a chicken and egg problem. Varitek might marginally improve the staff, but we'll never know, because a catcher is also only as good as the pitchers throwing to him. In 2005, for example, Varitek had one of worst CERAs among qualifying catchers. In 2007 and 2008, one of the best. Did he get better with age? Possible, but doubtful. Did the rotation get better? Yes.
Posted by: DunkinDonuts | November 23, 2008 at 02:04 PM
I agree with a lot of what you guys say...
and maybe it won't go up a half a run... and if it goes down, it could be for several reasons.. the same thing if it goes up.. hell, if it goes up, it could just be that Beckett, or Dice-K is having an off year..
I do think losing Tek will be a HUGE blow to their rotation regardless... he's not worth much offensively it seems; but even he can surprise us next year...
but i think it's going to be a HUGE blow...
Posted by: casper | November 23, 2008 at 02:14 PM
what DD says is pretty on point. theres far too many variables involved to place that much value on one person.
i watch the red sox every night so i like to think i have a fairly good idea of whats going on.
varitek going to catch for someone else will not be a huge blow. losing francona or john farrell would hurt alot worse.
i agree with what one poster said about boras ruining 'teks career in boston. it has the potential to get really ugly. i hope it doesn't b/c he has been a very good player and has always been a model citizen.
sadly, though, his best playing days are behind him.
Posted by: EWS1532 | November 23, 2008 at 02:25 PM
i'd also like to add that i thought dice-k was very lucky early in the year avoiding trouble with big time control problems. he eliminated the walks toward the end of the year to an extent so they never really had a chance to catch up with him so his numbers never regressed.
i also thought lester over-performed a little bit.
so just a little warning shot for when those guys numbers go up next year ;)
Posted by: EWS1532 | November 23, 2008 at 02:28 PM
"Boras is now at 2/14 for Tek because Tek is desperate to come back to Boston. Man, Boston's take it or leave it offer to Tek is gonna be a slap in the face."
No he is at 2/14 because no one else is going to come near that money for someone who is at best a part time catcher now that cannot hit righties. Bostons take it or leave it offer is going to be the best offer he will see from any team so he will take it. No other team is going to pony up millions on his intangibles.
Casper, you continue to be a champion of logic. So you type huge in caps a few times and expect us to be impressed? Yet you say numerous times in the same post you have no idea what will happen with bostons pitching next year.
Posted by: walkoffblast | November 23, 2008 at 02:31 PM
YanksFanSince78 : This is the problem. You and I agree he is a good player and he is great for the city of Ceveland. Where you and I disagree however is that you feel it is myself and other fans like myself that are running him out of town. Here is what you said "there's a better than 50% chance of him staying as long as stupid fans like yourself don't piss him off and run him out of town." Is it really me that is running him out of town by calling him out...or is it fans like yourself that thinks he is going to stay because you kiss his butt so much. Is it really hard for a superstar like himself to be more like a Derek Jeter? Jeter is the ultimate team player. He never says anything to piss anyone off and that is why he is so loved. I would take 10 NBA players like Derek Jeter than have 1 Lebron James where fans have to walk on pins and needles to make sure he stays happy. Because if he isnt happy then he leaves. He should want to stay with Cleveland because he wants too. He shouldnt stay in Cleveland because they boo him for coming up 1 point short for free tacos, and they shouldnt boo him for playing with a broken hand and missing every shot.
Posted by: integr96 | November 23, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Somebody mentioned Dwayne Wade AND Lebron on the Knicks seems pretty ridiculious to me. There's a salary cap in the NBA, and last time I checked you have to have more then 2 players on your team. How the hell are they going to afford even mediocre players to fill out that lineup with those two MASSIVE contracts? Get real.
Posted by: Colin | November 24, 2008 at 12:14 AM