Padres Rumors: Greene, Peavy

Well I'm now becoming more confident that Peavy won't be a Padre next season, but Im becoming more skeptical about where he will land.

I still think the Cubs just arent going to happen, but if the Braves are supposedly out of negotiations then who else would Towers be dealing with.

Just please let it end.

I agree lets get this over with...

"Here's a yet to be explored Peavy package...

METS GET - Jake Peavy

PADRES GET - John Maine, Wilmer Flores"

Do you not understand what NTC is? Astros, Braves, Cardinals, Cubs, and Dodger, and possibly Angels and Yankees.

I decided to look at what the Braves have to work from in the organization, so these are last years pitchers and their total starts and ERA from last year, accoring to mlb.com:
Pitcher/ Starts/ ERA
Jair Jurrjens/ 31/ 3.68
Jorge Campillo/ 25/ 3.91
Tim Hudson/ 22/ 3.17
Jojo Reyes/ 22/ 5.18
Mike Hampton/ 13/ 4.85
Charlie Morton/ 15/ 6.15
Tom Glavine/ 13/ 5.54
Chuck James/ 7/ 9.10
John Smoltz/ 5/ 2.57
James Parr/ 5/ 4.84

so Hudson is out for this season, Glavine and Smoltz are still uncertain, Mike Hampton is not resigned yet, and of course Tommy Hanson is in the minors.

Despite all reports, I think John Smoltz will come back as a starter(just using common knowledge on the character of John Smoltz)

Even with JJ, Campillo, Smoltz, Hampton, Reyes/Hanson the braves would probably need one more top 3 pitcher. And thats if they all stay healthy.

BravesRed,
You make a point about the NTC, but there is a point you missed concerning it. That was a guideline according to his agent, to give the Padres something to work towards. If they can not come up with a trade to them, they can start else where, but Peavy will not give his approval until a solid deal is made. Meaning, any team could make an offer, its just he prefers those clubs. There is no info on who he would play for, in fact i am sure that list will grow just to get him out of San Diego at this rate.

Zephyr, the Braves may have the upper hand now, but I think Towers will wait until they miss out on the top FA starters, at which point he will gain leverage. It wasn't a fair offer, and if the Padres can't get more they'll keep him until they do.

BravesRed, how do you know he hasn't? I agree with Airman, Peavy will loosen his demands as time goes on. IMO, as time goes on he's going to be willing to go to a lot of places rather than be a part of this sinking ship.

Towers is a clown

Lost in all off this is the sad fact that a team cannot keep a top player signed to a below market deal. MLB is really teetering on the edge of accidentally creating AAAA teams in a different bracket. Many teams could not afford a superstar even if they were to develop one.

arod,

I'm starting to think its more and more likely that the Yanks miss on CC and make a deal for Peavy instead. I think the deal you proposed is close, though I think Hughes or Betances will likely have to be subbed for Kennedy or Sanchez. The Yankees are really only a great fit with the Padres if they're willing to give up a near elite young starting pitcher. Personally, I think Hughes and Betances both fit the bill, while Kennedy and Sanchez don't.

I think Jackson is great as a #2 piece, but he leaves a little to be desired in terms of a true centerpiece. I think he's a great fit as a secondary piece, like Hernandez (who is a little behind Jackson) and to a lesser extent Schafer (think he's a notch above Jackson; BA's Jim Callis agreed in his recent chat).

I will admit that Hughes, Jackson, Melancon, and 1 other or Betances, Jackson, Kennedy, and Melancon would both make far more sense than any Braves deal centered around Escobar, Hernandez, and the Braves lesser pitching prospects.

Yeah, the Cubs really don't make a lot of sense anyhow. Pitching wasn't their problem in 08' and getting a 3rd team involved gets tricky. I think KT has only been using them to give the impression of a bigger market.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Angels jump in soon.

I don't think its likely they would, but if they are unwilling to include both (or Betances instead of 1 ) I think they end up in a comparable situation to the Braves where the Padres are going to want 3 additional very good prospects if they can't get the guys they covet at the top of a deal.

Probably the most obvious reason the yankees will not get peavy is what towers wants for him. He wants young affordable players that are ready to or almost ready to play at major league level. The yankees do not have a lot of those.

to angels:
jake peavey
kevin kouzmanoff

to padres:
howie kendrick
brandon wood
jered weaver
nick adenhart
reggie willits

790 Sports Radio in Houston is reporting a possible Valverde/Wigginton trade to Cleveland for Andy Marte and 3 pitching prospects. The pitching prospects would go with Pence to San Diego for Peavy...

Not sure how good this rumor is, but 790 usually checks its sources pretty well before going on the air about something...

BravesRed,

And how far did all that get you last season ? No further than the Padres, you dumbass. Who cares that you've won a world series last decade ? The fact is that your team sucks and need Peavy more than you need a job.

Wow BravesRed, you sure know how to have a constructive conversation. I'm not sure how bringing up the Braves' past titles moves anything forward as far as a Peavy deal goes. But let's look at that statement first, we'll address Peavy after.

First of all, it would be really hard to compare those two teams, given the difference in media market size (where most of the revenue comes from - SD is one of the smallest). The Braves will always have higher payroll. Does that necessarily make them a better team?

I could compare the Rays and the Yankees, but don't you think using payroll as comparison would be slightly short-sighted? I think so, at least if we're talking about 2009.

You can talk about SD all you want, but I guarantee it's a better-run franchise financially than Atlanta. They may be sacrificing the team (unfortunately), but SD is financially sound (which can be said of maybe 6-7 teams max), and it holds a lot of value simply because of where it's located.

All I want to say if I'm going to watch a bad-performing team play, I'd much rather be in 80 degree weather year-round doing so than in Atlanta. I guess we have that going for us.

You can live in the past all you want, but ultimately the Braves were a 4th place team last year, and if you're one bit honest, there isn't a single starter in the Braves rotation better than Peavy.

I'm not trying to talk bad about Atlanta, but you know the Braves need a new ace, and Peavy is better than any FA you could sign except maybe CC. In any case, he's younger and cheaper. I'm sure 95% of Braves fans would love to have Peavy.

Whether you're not part of that is a different qestion, but don't let your subjectivity take over. Peavy can definitely improve your team.

How about 3 possible trades that padres do:
1st one:
Braves get:SP:Jake Peavy
Padres get:SP:Tommy Hanson,OF:Gorky Hernandez,SS:Yunel Escobar,RP:Steve Marak or RP:Blaine Boyer
2nd one:
Cubs get:SP:Jake Peavy,SS:Khalil Greene,OF:Brian Giles maybe
Padres get:SS:Ryan Theorit, OF:Felix Pie, 3B/OF:Josh Vitters, RP:Jeff Samardzija, SP:Rich Hill, SP:Sean Marshall, and 2B:Tony Thomas
3rd one:
Giants get:1B:Derek Lee
Padres get:SP:Tim Alderson, SP:Henry Sosa, SP:Rich Hill, SS:Rodney Cedeno, OF:Felix Pie
Cubs get: SP:Jake Peavy

these trades are good plz comment on these trades