Phils Won't Listen On Rollins

No surprise.

Duh!

alright i'm going to be in the minority here but I would listen to offers on Rollins. He's reached his peak, had a career year in 2007 and we do have Donald raking in Arizona and if he tears it up in AAA he won't have a position and we could be forced to give away Rollins later on for less than market value (see Jim Thome trade when Howard forced his move). Any team would have to blow me away, but heck I'd listen. especially if its SF looking to unload some sweet pitching prospects.

There is enough to do in a day right now, rather than waste time appraising a player who isn't up for resigning and isn't going to be traded. Rollins is a person you build around, not a person you trade away in order to win. Especially not on a team that is successful.

there are two problems with Donald. one, he's not likely to be a very good defensive shortstop--probably average at best--while Rollins is excellent defensively (at least if you believe the Fielding Bible).

two, Donald should be groomed now as an in-house option for third base, where the Phils will have an opening in 2010 at the latest (sooner if Feliz reinjures himself or falls off a cliff in 2009). there's nobody else in the system who can take on third, so I really think Donald is more valuable there than as a Rollins replacement since Rollins is signed relatively inexpensively for the next several years.

ae,

I agree there would be a drop off in defense obviously but at some point JROLL's defense will drop off on its own. I agree that's years down the road but why not listen at least. And if someone is stupid and offers you a solid 2 SP for him then jump at it. Donald's young too and his defense can always improve. Remember the knock on Utley, his defense. While he's not a plus defender, he's more than adequate at second.

The writer who came up with this rumor needs to check is sources. Jimmy will never be traded, especially after we won a World Series. We already have enough pitching and our main concern this offseason is LF. Get Mags or Holiday, or resign Burrell for 2 and an option

"Ask the Yankees how hanging on to aging veterans works for your team? If you can trade a player at peak value, you should at the very least CONSIDER it."

it's a totally different situation. Rollins isn't definitely not going to get any better from 2009-2011, but he's still going to be a highly productive offensive player & a plus defender for those years. *and* he's signed for considerably below market value in that timeframe ($7.5M, $7.5M, $8.5M).

of course I don't think the Phillies should completely rule out trading Rollins, but I just can't imagine a trade involving him that's A) feasible and B) helpful to the team.

Amaro just took over the helm in Philly, so it isn't impossible to believe that the previous regime might have talked about it as a possibility only to have him rule out the idea once he took over for good. Rollins's production did decline in 2008, but 2007 was a career year, so that was to be expected. He's still an elite SS and the leader of that team, so it would have been surprising if he got moved, especially considering that the Phils have a decent chance to repeat and his contract is reasonable for a player of his caliber.

But just because it is silly to think that the Phils would even listen on Rollins, and that is now being denied, it doesn't mean Baggarly didn't hear about it from a credible source, and he was understandably skeptical about it.

Typical know-nothing trash talking a philly fan...

07 OPS - .875
08 OPS - .786

07 R/HR/RBI - 139/30/94
08 R/HR/RBI - 76/11/59

Not even close AA !

Yes he had less ABs in 08, but not enough where he hit only 1/3 of the HR and bare.y 1/2 of his runs scored.

"Typical know-nothing trash talking a philly fan..."

You apparently didn't read the big spread on the best at each position this year.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/11/4/653502/best-shortstops-of-2008

Accounting for all factors, Rollins was nearly as effective this year as last.

Of course that means nothing to the ultimate bandwagon fans...those of the Philadelphia Phillies

bandwagon philadelphia phillies fans - ah you made my day. It took 28 years to have some dbag like yourself call me that, feels great!

Your link ranked him among shortstops, but didnt rank him against himself in 2007, which is exactly what we were discussing - and we were talking offense not defense.

Dig up any numbers you want, when you're a leadoff man and score 139 runs one year and 76 the next - you werent as productive!