DeRosa Traded To Indians

It surely looks like De-Ro is gone and with the Cubs piling up young pitching depth, it looks to me like they're making another run at Peavy.

Hopefully they send 2 busts the cubs way.

Well if the Indians get DeRo that will be 2 guys they got from the Cubs who will be surely missed.

I wonder if this will be a pre-move for a Peavy trade? Padres want young cheap arms right?

Keep dreaming 100back, lol.

GREAT move by Hendry. I'm sure he'll get some very good pitching prospects and he sold high on Derosa, who is likely not going to SLUG as high as he did in 2008. This is definitely a prelude to a Peavy deal.

JLB, don't plan on it, I think Carmona is the Indians ace of the staff next year and is inexpensive for a few more years. My guess is it will be names like Aaron Laffey, David Huff, possibly Adam Miller (though that may be a stretch)

The Gathright and Miles signings allow the Cubs to include Pie and Cedeno in the Peavy trade. DeRosa's trade gives the Cubs more trading pieces.

Ugh typekey, Lee is obviously the Indian's ace, but Carmona can be a very strong second and would not be part of the deal.

Agree that this is a move to make another run at Peavy. DeRo was one of the Cubs MVP's the past couple of years. Not sure I like losing DeRo as our problem in the playoffs was hitting, not pitching!

Maybe Adam Miller, Aaron Laffey, and Kelvin de la Cruz ? Or a combo thereof...

Towers would take those names back along with Vitters and others I am sure, would allow the Cubs to keep Marshall (maybe).

All of the things Hendry wanted to have happen before they could move for Peavy are in the works. Move Marquis salary (almost done) and acquire some young MLB ready arms without killing their farm system.

Will be good for the Padres to get some young talent, although I still think the Angels match up better.

if this turns out to be true, i'm really going to miss dero. i like the miles signing, and after looking at his stat line he's actually better than i thought he was, but i don't think he's an adequate replacement for derosa. i'd live with it if it helped us get peavy, but that's the only way. oh well, now that woody's an indian, there my american league team. and if they get dero, even moreso.

Would have been interesting to see if Carlos Santana is available in a deal for Derosa as he would be a perfect fit for the Pads as they are in need of a young solid backstop. Probably a zero percent chance of that one though!

rollingdeuce, Levine's job is finding out what is going on with the Cubs and White Sox, although he's not always accurate. I personally think he doesn't do a horrible job.

Candocantu - Towers has made it pretty clear he wants arms, cf and middle infielders. Pads seem to be pretty high on Nick Hundley as their future catcher.

We will see how this plays out...

and rollingdeuce, you have to admit that the signing of Miles would indicate that something is in the works with moving DeRosa for young arms to complete the Peavy deal.

"I'd say it's more along the lines of Sowers or Scott Lewis or maybe even Anthony Reyes, not Adam Miller or Laffey + some for DeRosa"

The Cubs are not going to trade DeRosa for Sowers and Reyes. Miller's stock has dropped far enough that I think he's includable, but I don't even know if the Cubs would want him with all the injury problems. Laffey I agree is probably out of the question.

I can see how Carmona wouldn't be included but the guy was terrible last year. I wouldn't want him for the price he would likely cost.

Hold on.... Are the Indians supposed to trade their best prospects (i.e. Santana and Miller) for a 34 year old 2B coming off a career year? The Indians would likely give up a package headlined by somebody like Aaron Laffey with another pitcher like De La Cruz or Sowers. By the way "young and cheap" pitcher Jake Westbrook is 31, coming off Tommy John surgery and not available until July and owed 21 million over the next two years.

Miller isn't close to their top prospect anymore. He's still viewed highly, but not in the same light as a few years ago when he was untouchable. I think a lot of teams see him more as a setup/closer than a starter which makes him IMO a fair return in this deal.

Rollingdeuce, we get it, you hate the Cubs. You troll in every Cubs-related topic posting the same inane insults over and over. Give it a rest. Go spread your hate elsewhere please.

Anyone can see that all this is Hendry trying to position himself for another run at Peavy. He brings in Gathright to make Pie completely expendable. He signs Miles to provide cheap infield depth to cover the loss of 1 or 2 of DeRosa/Cedeno/Fontenot. Clears Marquis' salary trading him to Colorado. Now he's trying to work on moving DeRosa to get a couple of young pitchers to use in acquiring Peavy.
I said it weeks ago and I'll say it again: Jim Hendry has had a man-crush on Peavy for YEARS. With Peavy being available, publicly stating he wants to play for the Cubs, and signed at below market value for 5 years, he's going to do everything he can to make it happen.

Cub fans, we're all going to hate to lose De-Ro. But think about this realistically, the guy is 34, in the last year of his deal, and coming off back-to-back career years. If there's a lot of demand for him, it makes sense to move him now if you can get potential pieces to a Peavy deal in return, rather than just let him walk at the end of the year.

grabbing aaron miles and next week after the cubs sign milton bradley i can see them really tweeking their lineup

1. Theriot SS
2. Miles 2B (can be swapped)
3. Bradley RF
4. Ramirez 3B
5. Soriano LF
6. Lee 1B
7. Fukudome/Gathright CF
8. Soto C
9. Any pitcher

this is rough and i think 5-8 can be switched around a lil pending on who's in the lineup, can move fukudome up to 2 and put miles down in 8 and move soto to 7, cubs will have a lot of powerful pieces to play with

and d lee really needs to be moved from the 3 hole, he can be a very productive 5 or 6 hitter but his days as a guy in the 3 hole are gone

Why would Soto hit 8th?

Bradley :(

why would miles bat before lee? lee might not be a 3 hitter but he would look great as the 2

levine just reported...done deal!!!!!! drosa gone for 3 minor leagures.

Just what I need, another possible Cubs-Indians trade. I was "shocked" to see it only took 5 posts before Fausto Carmona's name came up.

DeRosa is 34 yrs old, we are not giving up Fausto that is moronic.

Laffey would have to be included as the centerpiece, the rest would most likely be relief pitchers like Meloan. The Tribe need as many starters as they can get this season with Westbrook out and so many question marks in the rotation. They will not trade away three of the guys who will compete for those spots.

its now a done deal, cubs trade mark derosa to the indians for 3 minor league pitchers. -bruce levine

go to indiansprospectinsider.com to get the scoup on jeff stevens being included in the deal

First, Soto will NOT be batting 8th in any line up the Cubs post during the season. That's just STUPID, especially if DeRosa gets traded. Second, Reed Johnson will be platooning with Fukudome in CF, not Gathright. Gathright will be the 5th OF.
Padres don't want Pie, that's why the Cubs were going to trade him to Baltimore for Garret Olsen.
This is the more likely scenario..
Cedeno, Marshall, and two more pitchers (from Cleveland, probably) for Peavy.
Pie will get dumped cheaply for whatever Hendry can get during Spring Training. Maybe Jim Bowden would take him in Washington. He seems to like young unproven, never going to be anything OF. Heck, he Corey Patterson now to go with Elijah Dukes, Wily Mo Pena, and Willie Harris.

I like Stevens a lot, wasn't even thinking of him in the deal. Will wait for this to wash out but should be interesting to see what names come up here. Will be interesting to see how quickly Peavy talks reignite as well, this has to be a precursor to a deal being close on that front.

Oh Boy, where to start.

1. Levine speculates that Bradley has been signed and he speculates that DeRosa is being traded. If that is true the Cubs have not freed up salary room as it's likely the two salaries are very similar (Bradley/DeRosa). Since salary concerns were ONE of the original issues derailing the Peavy deal I don't see how this changes that.

2. Towers has said he wants young MLB READY pitching, CF and MI's, not just young MLB pitching. If you think Cleveland is going to give up Sowers, Reyes or any other MLB ready pitcher for 1 year of DeRosa you haven't been paying attention. At best they'll send a couple of mid-level prospects and that's just not going to cut it for Towers and SD. Look at it from a value perspective, if the deal were DeRo, Pie and Cedeno do you think Towers would accept? Then what makes you think that Pie, Cedeno and the prospects you could get for Dero is good enough?

"Levine is as goofy as the cub fans on this site." More true words have not been spoken in this blog post!

The deal is done. No names mentioned coming back to know what the Cubs got. Anyone know?

I'm not saying Peavy, but this smells like another move sometime after the new year.

Guys - DeRo is in the last year of his deal and he's 34. We're not getting any high level elite prospects in return. The word is that it's Stevens and 2 minor leaguers. This is ALL a precursor to renewed Peavy talks. Hendry wouldn't move DeRosa for no reason. He'll probably keep Stevens and flip the minor league pitchers to San Diego. They couldn't get the Peavy deal done because A. They needed to clear Marquis salary. (Now they have.) And B. They needed more pitching prospects to send to San Diego (Now they're moving DeRosa to get some.) Am I the only one who can see this coming a mile away? LOL

"2. Towers has said he wants young MLB READY pitching, CF and MI's, not just young MLB pitching. If you think Cleveland is going to give up Sowers, Reyes or any other MLB ready pitcher for 1 year of DeRosa you haven't been paying attention. At best they'll send a couple of mid-level prospects and that's just not going to cut it for Towers and SD. Look at it from a value perspective, if the deal were DeRo, Pie and Cedeno do you think Towers would accept? Then what makes you think that Pie, Cedeno and the prospects you could get for Dero is good enough?"

Do you guys really hate the Cubs so much that you have to throw out reasonable arguements just because Cubs fans make them? Good Lord.

This is easily seen as a precursor to a Peavy deal. If this was any other team, you would think the same. Just because it's the Cubs, and apparently you hate us, it's a ridiculous thought. Why else would this deal be made? It's not like Chicago is rebuilding and hurting for young arms.

Please think before you write something that long that makes no sense.

And on a side note, the Cubs were apparently the team that turned down the Peavy deal, so I'm not sure how our deal wasn't "good enough" for Towers. Again, please think before you post.

"The Indians announced this afternoon at 1:30 that they have acquired infielder Mark DeRosa from the Chicago Cubs for minor-league pitchers Jeff Stevens, Chris Archer and John Gaub."

Have to wonder if Kevin Towers hand picked these guys to be traded to the Padres, or which will stick. Archer has nice stuff but REALLY struggled with control. Only 19.

Gaub's numbers are... eye opening. 64 IP, 32 BB, 100 K. Pretty impressive. Obviously Stevens is the bigger of the hauls in this deal.

"Then why didn't Towers accept your offer instead of asking for more?"

He did. Hendry passed on the Peavy deal.

With two of my favorite Cubs now with the Indians, it looks like they have jumped to be my #2 team. Cubs-Indians World Series!!!! : )

anybody wanna go to the cubs game between june 19 and june 21.

"'The more Jim looked at it, the more he decided he wasn't going to do the deal,' Towers said."

Once again, "please think before you post."

Towers did NOT accept any deal. Hendry passed, because Towers wanted 6-7 players for Peavy alone from just the Cubs. Now her has acquired prospects from the Indians, it will more than likely be a 4-5 for 1 deal. Jeez people, where do you pull this stuff from...your @$$?

I don't see the Cubs having the payroll room to still add Peavy.

Consider: they saved $5.5 mil by trading Marquis, including the $1 mil they ate and taking on Vizcaino's $3.5 mil.

They saved another $6 mil from trading Derosa.

They spend just over $2 mil this year for Mils.

Savings of $9.5 mil.

Bradley is rumored to be asking for $10 mil per, and Levine says the Cubs have agreed to a 2 year deal with him.

That breaks them even, it doesn't free up room to go after Peavy's $11 mil for 2009.

I would give Levine a 80% right on his reports.

WHAT!?!?!?!? I am seriously comtemplating not following the cubs. This has been a horrible offseason. Hendry is a f@#$ing idiot.

Indians didn't give up anything they needed, short term, and filled a hole. Cubs cleared some payroll and set themselves up for a Peavy deal. Win/Win.

That page has DeRosa going to 3B, wouldn't they go with DeRosa at 2B, Cabrera at SS, with Peralta moving over to 3B?

And I still say taking an 87 rbi guy out of the lineup to replace him with a 30 rbi guy just because the 30 rbi guy is lefthanded is just plain stupid.

Miles doesn't steal bases, doesn't hit for power, is a mediocre defensive 2b with below avg range. He's a good bench guy to ph and double switch, but that's it.

"That was Towers referring to the deal HE proposed, not the deal Hendry proposed. Must be nice living in your world!"

It's referring to a deal they were both discussing, which got stopped because Hendry did not want to eat all of Marquis contract. It was very close. Are you having problems comprehending this, and how?

"That breaks them even, it doesn't free up room to go after Peavy's $11 mil for 2009."

That's exactly my point. It also doesn't give them the prospects Towers was wanted either.