Twins Rumors: Lyon, Wigginton, DeRosa

Why would the Cubs want to trade DeRosa? If they really wanted a left-handed bat in the line-up then they would put DeRo in right and let Fontenot play 2B.

Why aren't the Tigers in talks with Lyon as well?
Unfortunatly Fuentes is out of the question....

derosa proves he can be full time man.

I wish I could be shocked or upset about their terrible, terrible offseason. It was just too expected.

Hmmm Kubel who will play part time DH and be the 5th OF for DeRosa, yeah lets not do that who wants an all-star util player who could fill our hole at 3B and or play 2B if Casilla continues to fall off (.243 post all-star). The guy can play anywhere you need him but we want to keep a DH who has almost the same stats as DeRosa.
Sure Twins have control of Kubel for 3 mors years 2 after this season but come on, the guy if he is lucky will play 100 Games if the 4 OF's stay away from the DL.

C Mauer
1B Morneau
2B Castilla
SS Punto
3B DeRosa/(Harris/Buscher)
LF Span/ (Span/Young)
CF Gomez
RF Cuddyer
DH Young/ (Kubel/Young)

Trade for DeRosa and sign him for two more years. He fits the bill of a Twins player lets get him!

P.S. I'm a big Kubel fan but even I know he is our 5th best OF, if a team can move their 5th OF for a good everyday player why the hell would you say no? Also he looks like the dickhead catcher from Major League 2 that makes him one of my favorite players.

Chad my post is based on this
"Nothing new on the Twins' rumored interest in Mark DeRosa; the two teams don't match up well (the Twins are not willing to trade Jason Kubel)."
Now I have no idea what other players would be in a deal for DeRosa but reading that the Twins don't want to move Kubel in a DeRosa deal makes me sick because DeRosa would be a great player to have and Kubel could be moved.

Also Baker and Slowey have more value than any Cubs starter let alone DeRosa for one year. To say for one of them to slide in to the 5th spot sounds as dumb as saying Peavy sliding into the 5th spot in the Nats rotation!
Zambrano is a wreck, walks 100 every year, last year he didn't but his K/9 dropped off big time. Solid guy but is starting to go down hill sorry cub fans but in two-three years he will be no better than a number 4 starter.
Dempster had what we call a career year and will never come close to another season like that again! It takes me back to the year Brady Anderson hit 50 HR's
Harden is a great pitcher but in 6 seasons he has pitched over 150 innings only once and his 25 Starts last year was the 2nd most in his carrer 3rd best is 19!!!
Lilly is solid and about the only guy who comes close to Baker and the only Cub I would say is as good as Slowey but Slowey has more value since we have not seen how good he is yet.
Marquis, not going to waste my time.

Twins GM- I agree with everything you said about the Twins not trading away Kubel to get DeRosa. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. They're already stacked with good young outfielders. The part I disagree with you about is that Baker and Slowey are better than any pitcher the Cubs have.

Zambrano is an ace. Up until this year, he's taken the ball every fifth day and given you 6-7 solid innings. There's always the exception for every pitcher because you don't always have you best stuff but Zambrano is a horse. He had a down year this year,(14-6 with and era of 3.9) which would be a breakout year for many pitchers. The reason his strikeouts went down is because he was throwing his cutter and changeup more to throw less pitches, get more groundballs, and last deeper into ball games. He wasn't throwing the power fastball and slider all game like he used to.

Harden is arguably the best pitcher in the majors, when healthy. I know I said when healthy but because the Cubs have several other solid-good pitchers, they can afford to rest him. When Harden pitches, he gets groundballs and strikeouts.

While I believe Dempster WAYYYY over-achieved last year, he showed he can take the ball every fifth day and give the team a chance to win.

Lilly- Same story as Dempster but he also has won at least 15 games for the past three seasons.

While I would love to have either of those pitchers from the Twins, you can't say that they are better than every pitcher on the deepest rotation in baseball when neither of them are the aces for their team they already play for....

Granted stats don't mean much but I'll throw some at you from last year. Zambrano still young but cost a lot! Baker and Slowey together cost less than 1/15 of what Zambrano made last year (Ace Money). Main thing about the stats is that both Baker and Slowey had a very close K rate and walked far far less players. It shows in their WHIP. Also Zambrano had better run support. I'm not say Zambrano isn't an ace but I wouldn't feel good knowing he was my ace. Come playoff time base runners is the key and Zambrano puts a lot of runners on. Big reason why the cubs are 0-5 when he starts in the playoffs!

Zambrano (27) made 16 M last year and the cubs were 20-10 in his 30 starts. 5.79 Run support. 3.91 ERA, 1.29 Whip, 72 BB, 130 K in 188 2/3 IP

Baker (26) made 750 K last year and the Twins were 17-11 in 28 Starts. 5.59 run support. 3.45 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 42 BB, 141 K in 172 1/3 IP

Slowey (24) made 395 K last year and the Twins were 15-12 in 27 starts. 5.2 run support. 3.99 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 24 BB, 123 K in 160 1/3 IP

VORP

Dempster: 58.2
Harden: 56.7
Baker: 44.2
Zambrano: 36.1
Lilly: 35.3
Slowey: 28.4

Seriously...its not that close.

"VORP

Dempster: 58.2
Harden: 56.7
Baker: 44.2
Zambrano: 36.1
Lilly: 35.3
Slowey: 28.4

Seriously...its not that close."

Lets take that one more step, Most and Least Cost Effective Players
VORP/Salary*League Min Sal
Dempster: 58.2/7333333*390000=3.095
Harden: 56.7/4750000*390000=4.655
Baker: 44.2/422500*390000=40.8
Zambrano: 36.1/16000000*390000=.877
Lilly: 35.3/8000000*390000=1.721
Slowey: 28.4/395000*390000=28.041

Your Right it's not even close
Baker 40.8
Slowey 28.041
Harden 4.655
Dempster 3.095
Lilly 1.721
Zambrano .877
Baker and Slowey have more VALUE than any Cubs starter! Twins are a small market team we don't throw money at our problems. Small market teams have to think in cost effective ways. If you were to build a team and had player A who makes 16 M and player B who makes 1 M but have very similar abilty who would you take? That's the point I was trying to make that a guy like Baker has more value. For that reason the Twins would not move him.