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Dunn Looking For Four Years, $56 Million
ESPN's Jerry Crasnick talked to an official of a team interested in Adam Dunn. That official said Dunn's current asking price is four years, $56MM ($14MM per). Crasnick says the Braves and Nationals are more focused on trades.
Even in the depressed market Dunn has a case for more than the $30MM Milton Bradley received. But not significantly more, and Bradley's deal protects against a first-year injury. Plus, Dunn's list of suitors is small.
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Good luck with that Dunn
Posted by: imrichiesdad | January 13, 2009 at 11:43 AM
hahahaha
Posted by: iamnobody | January 13, 2009 at 11:43 AM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!! Goodbye Adam Dunn....
hope you're going to enjoy not having a team next year.
Posted by: homeofdabrave | January 13, 2009 at 11:44 AM
I love the Dunner... But $14 million/yr. wow is right.
Posted by: Peter | January 13, 2009 at 11:45 AM
If thats what its going to take, then the Braves should just wait it out. If neither of Abreu or Dunn will sign for ~2/20 then just go with KJ in LF and Prado at 2B. I don't really want to give up the load of prospects it would take to get a good LFer.
Posted by: bbxxj | January 13, 2009 at 11:45 AM
If he gets that, Manny will get 10 years 800 million!!!
Posted by: 55saveslives | January 13, 2009 at 11:45 AM
He's young and healthy, so Bradley probably shouldn't be his contract comparison. However, because of how cheap Burrell signed, he doesn't really have a chance at big money.
Posted by: Chunk23 | January 13, 2009 at 11:46 AM
No wonder he hasnt been signed yet.
Posted by: NedCollettiClueless | January 13, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Think about it. That's four years at 200 Ks per year. 800 Ks over the span of the contract.
$54,000,000 / 800 Ks = 6750.
That's only $6,750 per K! How can you NOT sign him?
Posted by: SpensBross | January 13, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Thats a lot cheaper than Manny wants.
4 years, $100 million.
I think Dunn's very unlikely to get near that unless the Giants sign Manny, because then the Dodgers may feel it's necessary to get him, even at a fairly high cost.
Posted by: SFG55 | January 13, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Dunn made $13MM last year.So it isn't like he's looking for a huge payraise.
Posted by: BankStreetGrounds | January 13, 2009 at 11:50 AM
I don't think it's a ridiculous price tag for a team that can DH him. It's an automatic 40 HR a year. (Seriously - exactly 40 HR for 4 years in a row).
Anyway I'd rather have Dunn at 4/56 than Raul flippin' Ibanez at 3/33.
Posted by: Bourne's_Identities | January 13, 2009 at 11:50 AM
It's a little ludicrous that Dunn would get 4/56 if Burrell only got 2/16.
He really deserves more than Bradley/Abreu/Ibanez/Burrell, even if it's not a lot more.
I think he either gets the fourth year or gets a higher salary, but definitely not both.
So I'd say something like 3/36, or 4/42.
Posted by: scribbletone | January 13, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Bradley was sign to play the OF Burrell just to be a DH. I don't know about 4-56, but I know he is worth more tha Bradley (b/c Dunn will play more game and be more productive). Braves should offer 4-45.
Posted by: DominicanYanks | January 13, 2009 at 11:50 AM
That's a complete joke considering what Burrell took who is essentially a right handed copy of Dunn. I'd rather the Braves trade Charlie Morton for Xavier Nady or something similar or try their luck with a platoon of Diaz and Brandon Jones.
Posted by: Ron Edwards | January 13, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Well he may get 56 million yen from the Nippon Ham Fighters...
Posted by: jhawk90 | January 13, 2009 at 11:51 AM
14MM for a guy who has hit 40+ HR's, 100+RBI, and OBP of .380, over each of the last 5 seasons doesnt sound too awful...He made 13MM last season.
(note 1 year had less 90+ RBI, and had one season of OBP around 370)
Posted by: cincy_11 | January 13, 2009 at 11:53 AM
"He's young and healthy, so Bradley probably shouldn't be his contract comparison."
They are about a year and a half apart...and Milton is heatlhy *as of right now*. Mix in Milton's above average defense with his large risk, then factor in that the Cubs got protection against first year injury, along with Dunn's bad defense...and I think the contracts might look closer than you think. Dunn at 3/39 sounds about right to me.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | January 13, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Tim you should rename this post "Adam Dunn announces retirement"
Posted by: munchman33 | January 13, 2009 at 11:55 AM
only team that would sign him to a contract like that is the yankees. Too bad for him they already spent their 1 billion dollars this offseason.
Posted by: Mike | January 13, 2009 at 11:57 AM
ok ok - lets put on our real gm caps, not our fake ones or our fan caps.
the offseason is full or guys floating borderline and even false information. if this is true, and the source is in negotiation for dunn, isn't it possible he inflated the price so as to drive off competition????
my speculation is the real asking price (or acceptable price) is lower than what was published
Posted by: dwright | January 13, 2009 at 11:58 AM
"14MM for a guy who has hit 40+ HR's, 100+RBI, and OBP of .380, over each of the last 5 seasons doesnt sound too awful...He made 13MM last season.
(note 1 year had less 90+ RBI, and had one season of OBP around 370) "
Except that his defense is so bad that it really hurts his offensive contributions.
If he wants to ride solely on his offensive ability, then he seriously needs to consider AL teams with an open DH slot. That factor alone limits his market dramatically.
Posted by: Tire Swing | January 13, 2009 at 11:59 AM
I can see him signing for 4 years at $48-50 mil
Posted by: XD23 | January 13, 2009 at 12:04 PM
I hope Braves and Angel fans are paying attention. I keep hearing from these fans "forget trading just get Dunn". Now you know why your GM'a arent interested. Adam Dunn, $14 mil per, LMAO!!!
Posted by: forlife61 | January 13, 2009 at 12:08 PM
hes had 40 homers or more 5 years in a row now, and hes only played for 7. hes also had 100 rbi's or more in 4 years and 92 one year. you know hes gonna produce if you sign him, unlike my cubbies who signed milton bradley.
Posted by: Chris | January 13, 2009 at 12:13 PM
he could DH if he signed with an al team....
Posted by: Chris | January 13, 2009 at 12:15 PM
If thats what its going to take, then the Braves should just wait it out. If neither of Abreu or Dunn will sign for ~2/20 then just go with KJ in LF and Prado at 2B. I don't really want to give up the load of prospects it would take to get a good LFer.
Posted by: bbxxj | January 13, 2009 at 11:45 AM
If Prado is our starting 2B you're going to be very sorry.
Posted by: Smoltz's Beard | January 13, 2009 at 12:15 PM
$14 mm after Burrel got 8 and Bradely got 10? LMAO! Yeah Dunn I want a lot of things too, but that aint gonna happen. The Braves have a lot of pitchers now. I'd trade charlie morton or jo jo reyes plus prospects for Nady or Swisher. Either one will do.
Posted by: BravoMan | January 13, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Yea that is crazy Hopefully ATL wont give him more than 2/20 if that
Posted by: ScottBravesfan19 | January 13, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Burrell is not like dunn. he has never hit over 40 homers and only has had a 100 rbi season once.
Posted by: Chris | January 13, 2009 at 12:19 PM
he better take a 1 year deal and try again next year for a big pay day
Posted by: bennie2323 | January 13, 2009 at 12:20 PM
"Yea that is crazy Hopefully ATL wont give him more than 2/20 if that"
Not so sure. I think that teams are very willing to extend longer offers to players right now because the market is so poor. If they can lock him up now for five or six years at a below-market rate for the future, I don't see why they wouldn't pull the trigger
That being said, a guy like Dunn might ultimately settle for a shorter contract in hopes that the FA market is stronger in a year or two.
Posted by: Tire Swing | January 13, 2009 at 12:21 PM
i don't see him in a braves uniform. has anyone considered the braves trading for micheal young and moving kj to left?
Posted by: gorillatux | January 13, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Wahhahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Dunn thinks he is going to get 14 million a year for FOUR years. Someone needs to remind him that he has a LIFETIME batting average of .247 and is one of the worst defensive outfielders in all of baseball.
Posted by: BravesAllTheWay | January 13, 2009 at 12:34 PM
4years/40 million is what I think he gets and hopefully the braves get this guy too. His defense is horrible but he can play a little first base if Kotchman sucks like he did for us last year and would be pretty comparable to Ryan Howard but I watched this guy at Turner field the last 2 years make some of the worst plays on balls in left I have ever seen so if he plays there he needs some serious work. Matt Diaz was a pretty bad outfielder too when he first came over but he worked at it and is very good now so who knows maybe he can get better in the field but the Braves need a big bat very badly.
On a different note Andruw Jones was on Fox 5 news at 10 in Atlanta last night and he looks to be a lot slimmer than when he came to the Ted last year w/ the dodgers. He said he was running every day and the knee was great and he hopes to finish his career as a brave. If he can play close to the level of defense in centerfield he was at 2 years ago than he would definitely help a guy like Dunn in left because his range is incredible.
Posted by: siskel_god | January 13, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Dunn is certainly taking his chances. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets what he is asking for.
It looks like he is following Derek Lowe's path. After Burnett signed with the Yankess, Lowe put himself in a position where he screwed himself and was going to get $12 mil per. Since ATL stepped up their offering, he lucked out and got $15 per (losing about 1 mil per year).
I think Dunn is hoping that a weak 2010 FA and that it won't cost the signing team a draft pick will get a GM to reconsider signing him for that total. Whether or not it will happen remains to be seen.
Posted by: tbone88 | January 13, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Cannot believe hitting 40 Home Runs (the best thing a hitter can do) every year 5 years in a row, and expecting to make somewhat in the vacinity of what that deserves to cost, can be called a laughingstock.
OBP is the total times a player gets on base. BA is like 1 of 5 ways a player can get on base, explain to me why looking at the big picture isnt as good as looking at 1/5th of it? 38% of Dunn's ABs result in him being on base. He also hits 40 HR in addition to that...THAT IS A GOOD HITTER.
So many dumbasses posting in here, seriously.
Posted by: PL | January 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM
"Burrell is not like dunn. he has never hit over 40 homers and only has had a 100 rbi season once."
Well actually twice. In any case Burrell's last four years his RBI totals are
117, 95, 97, 86.
Dunn's are
101,92,106,100.
Burrell's projected 162 game average is better at 103 RBI vs 96RBI.
Of course Burrell has not been as healthy in the long term as Dunn and Dunn is a better run scorer. When looking at Dunn's RBI's and Runs Scored combined they are a bit inflated by the fact that he hits more home runs which are double counted in this context.
After accounting for Dunn's limited defense they are probably equal players. But Dunn is younger and should get a little more.
Posted by: arg | January 13, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Except that his defense is so bad that it really hurts his offensive contributions.
If he wants to ride solely on his offensive ability, then he seriously needs to consider AL teams with an open DH slot. That factor alone limits his market dramatically.
Exactly how many runs did he cost the Reds/Diamondbacks last year? What is the ratio against his offense numbers?
I am willing to bet that his offensive numbers absolutely kill what he has allowed or prevented defensively.
Posted by: crzyman2 | January 13, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Heres the differences between Dunn+Burrell:
1. Burrell is 32 in 09, Dunn 29.
2. Dunn can play average D at 3 positions, Burrell cant play the field.
3. Burrell is the slowest player maybe ever, Dunn has a 19 SB year to his name.
4. Burrell's 3 most similar players through age 31 are Danny Tartabull (930)
Jesse Barfield (927)
Jeff Burroughs (922)
Dunns are:
Darryl Strawberry (920)
Jose Canseco (906)
Harmon Killebrew (902)
5. Dunn's R/C per game career is 7.3. Burrell's is 6.4
6. Burrell took a lowball offer to play in the AL because he has a ring a $50M career money. Dunn has neither of those.
I wonder if Harmon Killebrew played in todays game if he would be as hated as Dunn is? You people make me sick....
Posted by: PL | January 13, 2009 at 12:59 PM
"Burrell is not like dunn. he has never hit over 40 homers and only has had a 100 rbi season once."
RBI's are meaningless, and whether he hits 33 homers or 40 homers, he still gets on base at a great rate and has very good power.
They are extremely comparable players, but Dunn is younger, a slightly superior defender, and has slightly more raw power.
Posted by: scribbletone | January 13, 2009 at 01:04 PM
Dunn's defense at least with the Reds had actually improved vastly. All that said it still made him either average or a bit below-average in the outfield but still he's certainly gotten better over the years.
There are some similarities with Dunn and Burrell but Dunn produced steady numbers as the main part of a pretty awful offense. Also Dunn and Burrell are both streaky hitters but when Dunn has a bad streak he still maintains his high OBP. So when he isn't mashing homers he can still get on base and still be a productive part of any offense.
Posted by: BankStreetGrounds | January 13, 2009 at 01:10 PM
Adam Dunn is undeniably productive at bat and, on his best days, barely serviceable in the field ... his main problem, though, is that he's extremely painful to watch. There is no beauty or grace in his game and as a result he brings very little entertainment value for the money he's asking for. Sure, he'll mash 40 bombs, but mainly, he's just frustrating: he can't hit with runners on base, he can't move over runners, and he walks when he should swing. As a Reds fan, I'll miss his production, but I sure won't miss him.
Posted by: Monroe Says | January 13, 2009 at 01:12 PM
You boys like how I left a comment how the Braves should now pursue Swisher or Nady and the 2 rumors later the Braves were connected to both of them. That's right I should become a GM lol jk...but that would be kewl.
Posted by: BravoMan | January 13, 2009 at 01:17 PM
Pffffffffffft.
Posted by: Bubdylan | January 13, 2009 at 01:39 PM
I believe Swisher and Nady had already been connected to Atlanta before today's post. Not to bring you down or anything..
Posted by: scribbletone | January 13, 2009 at 02:19 PM
Captains’ Log Star Date 20090113: Star maps reveal no indication of habitable ports. On the Bridge, Mr. Agent immediately ordered a general alert. Time running out until I need to get to base to begin training. My location at the bar, having a cocktail hoping that Mr. Agent knows what he is doing.
Posted by: Bleacher_Buddha | January 13, 2009 at 03:42 PM
I really don't see any problem with Dunn for $12.5 per year for 3 years -- maybe even 4 for $48 mil. I know everybody wants to save money, but 4 years of Dunn is worth more than the 2 years/45M the Dodgers offered Manny. Granted, he strikes out a lot and shouldn't be allowed beyond 1B defensively, but he's worth $12M a year based on his historical performance IMO.
Posted by: Mattyc44 | January 13, 2009 at 04:28 PM
Dunn will end up with a 3/36 deal. That would be fair in this deflated market.
As for an Angels fan perspective ... I would MUCH rather have Dunn at 3/36 than Dye on a 1/13 deal. Throw in that Dye will cost a starting ML player and this is still a slam dunk.
Dunn > Dye
Giving up no player > Giving up players
Posted by: bjsguess | January 13, 2009 at 06:43 PM
Does anybody remeber when Kelly Johnson began his major league career? He played LF.....Just tossing this out but what if the braves moved him back to that position and signed O.Hudson? I mean think about it for a second......does that sound like a good idea????(I think it does)
Posted by: SouthPaw Reliever | January 14, 2009 at 08:31 AM
14mm/4yrs is not at all bad for someone who made $13 last yr and has 5 straight yrs of 40hr/100rbi. the nats desparately need his power in the middle of their lineup. for the nats, his defensive liabilities aren't the issue - especially since he'll be at 1b. nor do i care about his possible negative presence in the lockeroom. we only won 50 some games last year. we have to get better and 4 years for this guy doesnt set back our long term plan!
Posted by: Jim Bowden | January 14, 2009 at 09:02 AM
Heres the differences between Dunn+Burrell:
1. Burrell is 32 in 09, Dunn 29.
2. Dunn can play average D at 3 positions, Burrell cant play the field.
3. Burrell is the slowest player maybe ever, Dunn has a 19 SB year to his name.
4. Burrell's 3 most similar players through age 31 are Danny Tartabull (930)
Jesse Barfield (927)
Jeff Burroughs (922)
Dunns are:
Darryl Strawberry (920)
Jose Canseco (906)
Harmon Killebrew (902)
5. Dunn's R/C per game career is 7.3. Burrell's is 6.4
6. Burrell took a lowball offer to play in the AL because he has a ring a $50M career money. Dunn has neither of those.
I wonder if Harmon Killebrew played in todays game if he would be as hated as Dunn is? You people make me sick....
Posted by: PL | January 13, 2009 at 12:59 PM
i couldnt agree more!
Posted by: Jim Bowden | January 14, 2009 at 09:04 AM