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Rosenthal On Roberts, Hudson, Counsell

Let's take a look at the latest from Ken Rosenthal.

  • The Orioles have their ears open Brian Roberts, whose trade value has diminished as he nears free agency.  The White Sox can't afford him, the Braves are reluctant to give up talent, and the Cubs didn't discuss him in the Felix Pie talks.  The Roberts market may improve once Orlando Hudson signs.
  • Rosenthal's source says the Michael Young-Jermaine Dye discussions did take place.  If you read Dave van Dyck's article, Ken Williams never specifically denied talks with the Rangers.
  • Rosenthal believes that if the Cubs make another big move, it'll be a Jake Peavy trade.  They're not in on Hudson.
  • The Dodgers have roughly $50MM in payroll flexibility right now.
  • The Giants may be looking at Manny Ramirez, but they've also looked in trades for hitters - "presumably" Prince Fielder or Corey Hart included.  Those talks with the Brewers didn't go far.  The Giants may be willing to move Jonathan Sanchez, but the Jorge Cantu talks have stalled.
  • So far the Dodgers and Russell Martin have only talked about a one-year deal.
  • The Mariners are Brewers are eyeing Craig Counsell.
  • The Ms "likely are willing" to trade Aaron Heilman.


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Sanchez for Cantu will never happen.

What are the chances that Hart will be expecting Markakis money ($10-11 million per) soon? Nick is better, but Corey has similar skills and potential to bounce back this year.

anyone notice that rosenthal said jacobs had 36hrs and 119 rbis

The Braves?


If we were to look into it they'd probably ask for kinda what the Padres asked for 44. If we were able to talk to him and get him to sign an extension, then depending on the price in talent, then i would look into acquire him. The first guy they would ask for is probably Tommy Hanson and then we should ask for Mr. Markakis.. =)

Sanchez for Cantu SHOULDN'T happen!

Sanchez and Alderson for Fielder would be better.

I for one cannot wait until the Cubs ownership stuff is solidified...the "will they or won't they" on Peavy, Roberts and others is maddening at this point.

Roberts makes so much sense for the Cubs right now...Soriano is the worst leadoff hitter in the league.

Sanchez + prospect for Fielder wouldn't cut it for Melvin.

The M's likely are willing to trade Aaron Heilman... Why am I not surprised?

Dodgers got 50 mil! Cheap bastards, I feel like a kc royals fan!!

I think the Brewers would definitely demand Matt Cain in exchange for Fielder, which is probably untenable for the Giants as Cain is, basically, untouchable. There's simply no reason to move him, whereas the Brewers could very well want/need to move Fielder for contract reasons, thus lowering their leverage in a possible trade.

Sanchez is not enough to get Fielder, so that deal is not going to happen either.

Why do you want Fielder if you have Sandoval?

What about Brian Roberts for Jonathan Sanchez and Emmanuel Burriss?

"Sanchez + prospect for Fielder wouldn't cut it for Melvin."

Maybe Snachez + Bumgardner or Alderson (whichever one is better, I keep hearing conflicting reports) + Sosa + reliever (Romo perhaps).

"What about Brian Roberts for Jonathan Sanchez and Emmanuel Burriss?"

Would be laughed to death.

$50 million? Let's say $20 million to Manny. Who's left that's worthy of spending the rest of that on? Jon Garland? Ugh...

This sure would have looked nice:

Sabathia
Billingsley
Kuroda
Kershaw
Pick 'em

There are no conflicting reports on Bumgarner v. Alderson. The former is clearly better and I'm not sure the Giants would be willing to give him up for anything.

"There are no conflicting reports on Bumgarner v. Alderson."

Baseball Prospectus rated Bumgarner higher yet strangely called Alderson a better prospect. And I swore I saw something about Alderson rated higher somewhere else.

Tim what does Rosenthal think will happen? Cubs make another run at Peavy or don't they? Also, why arent they in on Hudson? He makes sense...

if the brewers were to trade Fielder to the Giants they would want Cain+reliver=prince

Well, of that $50M, the Dodgers still need to pay their arbitration eligible players. Plus $23M for Manny. It would be nice if they went after Sheets to fill a SP slot. Sadly, we all know that won't happen and they'll continue to sign players like Kris Benson. On the bright side, having this much payroll flexibility, they could always afford to eat some of Pierre's salary to help trade him for a good prospect.

Ummmmm yeah..... Pierre will not give you a good prospect back. Unless you pay all of his salary plus some. Come on we all know that Ben Sheets will sign with the Red Sox. Injury plagued and getting cheaper. By now he is a bargin for any team besides the Marlins sadly.

The braves are considering Brian Roberts?

Since when?

This is the first time all off-season i had seen anything about this. If we could do a trade-and-sign/extend i am all for it.

Just DONT trade Hanson, Heyward, Escobar and of course McCann, Jurrjens, etc.

How about Heilman to the Brewers for a prospect?

He could either be a reliever to set up Trevor Hoffman or they could put him in the mix for their seemingly open rotation at this point.

I would like see Heilman back with Mets, give him a shot at the 5 spot. Don't know what it would take. I would be willing to give Kunz up for him back. Seems fair to me.

The kid has one bad season and fans hate the guy. I remember when he was first coming up and people couldn't wait to see him pitch. He is a good pitcher with 2 good pitches and 1 decent one. He wants to start, it will motivate him. I think his problem was he doesn't want to be a reliever. He is a starter. Last year of college he went close to 13-0 if I remember right. Just saying.

I'll take Brian Roberts. He's a Gamecock, Baby!!!

It'd be funny if the Giants traded for Hart, since he stinks.

Bumgarner is ranked #6 of all prospects. It would take a redonkulously lopsided trade to get him.

Alderson is also a stud, but I think paired with Sanchez would garner a big bat.

Cain + reliver for Prince would never enter the conversation....Sorry

Matt Cain and Bumgarner for Prince Fielder and Corey Hart.

Then Brewers can sign Adam Dunn to play RF and move Mat Gamel to 1B where he belongs or trade Rickie Weeks, Brad Nelson, and Taylor Green for Jorge Cantu to play 1B.

"Matt Cain and Bumgarner for Prince Fielder and Corey Hart."

Cain/Bumgarner would take Ryan Braun in the equation.

You don't give up two young/cheap studs under team control for a guy in arbitration that will make close to 10 mill and an overrated OF.

chris w ur stupid sandoval at 3b and fielder at 1b

who is bumgarner

Kelly, Reyes, and Locke for Roberts with a window to negotiate an extension would work for me, then add dunn for 2 yrs 15 million which looks like it could do it at this point or 1 yr 7.5 mil if he wants a 1 yr deal. then sign andruw to the minimum and glavine if he proves he can pitch again. the braves have 10-15 million left to spend from what i hear, thatd be 17-18 for those 4 but then kelly and jojo's money is outgoing so itd be right around 15 million

why would we want glavine?

Sorry to be an ass, Tim, but there's something wrong with:
"The Mariners are Brewers are eyeing Craig Counsell."

as well as

"The Orioles have their ears open Brian Roberts..."

Just heard on MLB that Roberts is looking for an extension 4/40...whoa...thats a joke

start wearing purple, I think maybe where the confusion on MB vs TA is coming in is that it was thought that Alderson was much more refined and much closer to big league ready while Madison had the higher upside and needed some seasoning, but Madison showed a great deal of polish and was MiLB Pitcher of the year so he's leaped way up the rankings. But you can never have too much pitching and Im content to wait for Villalona and Posey and others to develop than get rid of all our potentiall great pitchers.

"who is bumgarner"

Really??

Adam Dunn take 7.5M are you serious????? His salary last year was 9M (2year 18M). And now he wants 4 years 56M. Thats 14M per year not overall

The M's only have a spot open for Heilman in the bullpen?! Wouldn't wanna disrupt Silva and Batista with those 6.00+ ERAs.

I don't know what's a more ignorant statement. Thinking the Giants would trade Cain this year or thinking that Tim Alderson is more highly regarded within the Giants system then Madison Bumgarner.

How could there be conflicting reports between Bumgarner and Alderson? Both were drafted the same year by the Giants. Bumgarner was #1 and Alderson #2. Wouldn't you think the Giants picked Bumgarner because he's the better prospect? They certainly know more about developing pitchers then Baseball America, minor league ball or any other blogers who create propsect ranking lists.

Barroid: Dunn can want whatever, but no team has offered 4/$56M. Not even close to that. Considering the market and lack of interest, it's likely that Dunn will have to settle for a short-term deal for $5-7M per year.

Burrell got 2 for 16 and the market is even more depressed now. Dunn might want to take a 1 or 2 yr deal at this point because he could make more on his next contract. dunn cant play defense, has a lack of passion for the game, strikes out a ton, and is not good in the clutch. that said i'd love to have him for the power and walks but he is not getting anywhere near 14 million a year anymore. somewhere between 7-9 million a year is a realistic prediction at this point. Id pass on glavine to give Dunn the extra million but adam isn't getting the contract he wants

If the Giants did contact the Brewers last week about acquiring one of their young position players like Rosenthal says they were asking about infielders. JJ Hardy most likely. And knowing what the Giants are willing to offer they wouldn't get far.

I am so sick and tired of people whining about Soriano leading off. The point of a lead-off hitter is to have a good OBP and he is kind of weak there and I will agree with that but 1.) Not a lot of lead-off guys are serious home run threats and we have one. 2.) Lou is never going to move him so stop whining. Just give it up and enjoy all of Sori's 1st pitch homers. Oh and dont b!tch at me about strike-outs to start the game. You are all crying about not getting Dunn and aside from his home runs all he does is strike out. Just stop. And the Cubs wont get Roberts as much as we are dyin for him. Lets just get Peavy and end this freakin WS drought. (idk if i spelled drought right...)

The Dodgers don't have 50 million. They have 20 million after they give Manny 30 million this year.

The Cubs won 97 games last season, most of them with Soriano at leadoff. I'm with Lou, it isn't broke, so leave it alone. Roberts would be great, but they don't need him. I say stick to landing Peavy. With him they'll have an unstoppable rotation along with a badass hitting lineup.

Are you sure they're going to sign manny, pretty soon alot teams are going to get desperate, and you know the dodgers they won't get into a bidding war for a top free agent!!

The cubs may set a record this year for runs scored this year.Heres the lineup the way i see it as it stands right now.

1.soriano
2.theriot
3.bradley
4.ramierez
5.lee
6.soto
7.fukudome/reed johnson
8.cedeno
9.pitcher

how do you defend against a line up that has to push an all star 1st baseman career 300 20 hr guy down to the 5 hole and a upcoming possible 30 hr hitting catcher to the sixth hole, the cubs easily out scored everyone last year and i believe they will easily eclipse that this year,they have potientially 5 guys who could eclipse 25 hrs and 80 plus rbi's,and one the better front 4 starting rotations in baseball,if this team cant bring a world series back home to cubbie land then i dont just dont see it happening anytime soon,more then likely they will have to start to rip this team apart next year and rebuild in some areas because age will start to creep in with some of the vets on this team its now or never for this nucleaus of players.

If Bobby will let Kelly play everyday I think we will see a brian roberts type player for alot cheaper

"The cubs may set a record this year for runs scored this year.Heres the lineup the way i see it as it stands right now.

1.soriano
2.theriot
3.bradley
4.ramierez
5.lee
6.soto
7.fukudome/reed johnson
8.cedeno
9.pitcher "

Um Ronny Cedeno is not our starting second baseman. fontenot or miles. just to calrify

"Sanchez + prospect for Fielder wouldn't cut it for Melvin."

Maybe Snachez + Bumgardner or Alderson (whichever one is better, I keep hearing conflicting reports) + Sosa + reliever (Romo perhaps).

Whoever wrote that is a moron... First of all, i'm not familiar with Snachez in the giants organization, did they just sign him as a free agent? Second, how about the brewers give up Hart, Gallardo, Gamel, Escobar, and lawrie for Cain while were at it? That may even be more realistic

call me crazy but I would love to see ichuro leading off for the cubs i dont think it could happen but oh what an upgrade in the leadoff spot

what will the cubs do with that lineup like they do every year........... CHOKE!!

How bout Fielder and Hart for Sandoval and Cain?

@justme: Cedeno is a utility player, not a starter. This is why his inclusion in the Peavy talks was likely a non-factor.

@everyone about the Giants & Brewers trade scenarios: If you don't understand real baseball value (age, market demand, contractual obligation, remaining options, Elias ranking, defensive value, offensive stats, positional hierarchy, and clubhouse reputation), you should not be blurting out such horrible trade scenarios. They show that your mind is one-dimensional when GMs have to consider EVERYTHING.

Fielder and Hart, for example, going in the same deal to the same team will NEVER happen. Ever. Enough with the crazy talk.

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