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MLB.com's Anthony Castrovince says Indians third baseman Andy Marte cleared waivers, so he'll head to Triple A. No team was willing to take on Marte for nothing and give him a big league spot.
Marte was ranked no worse than 14th among all prospects by Baseball America in 2004, 2005, and 2006.
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This guy was supposed to be huge, the next great 3B. Now he's the latest bust? What happened?
Posted by: GScott | February 25, 2009 at 01:32 PM
Yeah, just absolutely amazing. My son was convinced that this was Chipper Jones heir apparent and was angry when Schuerholz traded him away.
The Braves are not necessarily known for letting good prospects go. Only two in recent memory come to mind, Jason Schmidt and Jermaine Dye....possibly Marquis as well but not quite to the extent as the others.
There is another prospect out there that I am very interested in seeing. I think we let one get away when the Braves let Elvis Andruws go. Time will tell.
Posted by: jadarm | February 25, 2009 at 01:42 PM
Wow, he's definitely done. There are worse players to have been claimed off waivers, and teams decide to pass on him? Of course, I think Marte had to be part of the 40-man roster, and perhaps teams didn't have any space for him. I think he needs to go to a team with a good hitting coach.
Apparently Marte's lost his strike zone judgement, which has led to his downfall. He's been trying to hit homers every at-bat, even if the count was 0-2. I think he needs to get his head on straight, as he could still become a decent hitter, but obviously nowhere close to his original projections.
Posted by: Ink&Paper | February 25, 2009 at 01:46 PM
Elvis Andrus you mean?
Posted by: chicubs25 | February 25, 2009 at 01:48 PM
jadarm- does the name Adam Wainright ring a bell?
Posted by: registereduser | February 25, 2009 at 01:49 PM
The Indians already have a good 3B prospect (Wes Hodges) at AAA. I wonder if he'll sink all the way down to AA or if the Indians will just release him.
Posted by: Alex Trebek | February 25, 2009 at 01:49 PM
I'm surprised a team with no apparent third baseman(Detroit stands out in my mind) didn't take a chance on the guy. He used to be an uber-prospect, what's the harm in trying him out for a little while and if he doesn't work out just put him back on waivers.
Posted by: Blaise Junior | February 25, 2009 at 01:49 PM
Wonder if they just cut him now?
Posted by: 55saveslives | February 25, 2009 at 01:50 PM
Not even the Giants?
Posted by: BigScooter | February 25, 2009 at 01:55 PM
BigScooter,
I'm not surprised the giants passed on him, they gotta have a place for Big 'Ol Pablo Sandoval!
Posted by: Blaise Junior | February 25, 2009 at 01:58 PM
jadarm- does the name Adam Wainright ring a bell?
Posted by: registereduser | February 25, 2009 at 01:49 PM
Hmm, maybe I missed one. I am curious if people might know others that I might have missed.
Posted by: jadarm | February 25, 2009 at 02:01 PM
My bad. Forgot about Sandoval. Plus, even though Sandoval plays C and 1B also, you wouldn't want to displace Molina or God forbid, the Ishikawa/Aurilia 1B tandem
Posted by: BigScooter | February 25, 2009 at 02:03 PM
According to Rotoworld, he's been assigned to AAA
Posted by: Harry Pavlidis | February 25, 2009 at 02:05 PM
The Ishikawa/Aurilia tandem is pretty fierce.
On a more serious note, for the giants it would come down to "is Andy Marte better than Travis Ishikawa?(because Sandoval would be moved to first)" The answer? Probably not. But is it worth a shot for absolutely nothing? Definitely.
Posted by: Blaise Junior | February 25, 2009 at 02:10 PM
Not even the Athletics, with Eric Chavez manning 3B?
Posted by: melonis rex | February 25, 2009 at 02:14 PM
Well keep in mind most teams probably have full 40-man rosters so they'd have to in turn designate someone. I think this speaks more to that no one out there thinks Marte is more valuable than anyone on their 40-man.
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | February 25, 2009 at 02:14 PM
I can't believe a team isn't willing to take a flyer on him? All it would cost the organization is an exercised option on one of their players so he could get a long hard look in Spring Training. If he doesn't look like he has the potential cut him. The cost is next to nothing, which is surprising when teams are looking for bargains in this hellish economy.
Posted by: The Juice | February 25, 2009 at 02:27 PM
Looks like this happened a week or so too late for the Twins to try him out over Crede. Not that Marte is likely to be as good as Crede, but certainly, a Twins team with no 3B would/should have taken a flier on Marte.
-JM
Posted by: jagteq | February 25, 2009 at 02:36 PM
Yeah, you'd think some team would bring in him as a backup at least.
Maybe he turns into a good player, like Willy Aybar did in Tampa playing in place of Longoria.
Where the hell are the ASTROS in this? Here's a guy with huge upside that they could have landed practically for free, but they'd rather have Aaron Boone and Geoff Blum duke it out for mediocrity.
Teams like the Giants, White Sox, Athletics, Tigers, and Brewers shouldve considered it.
Posted by: scribbletone | February 25, 2009 at 02:36 PM
You're surprised that no team is willing to take a "flyer" on a guy who OBP'ed .322 and .309 his last two seasons in Triple A?
Posted by: Teetz | February 25, 2009 at 02:38 PM
@jadarm
He hasn't proven himself completely, but Kyle Davies had a helluva second half last year.
Posted by: nakgxf | February 25, 2009 at 02:45 PM
"I am curious if people might know others that I might have missed."
Joey Devine.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | February 25, 2009 at 02:46 PM
"You're surprised that no team is willing to take a "flyer" on a guy who OBP'ed .322 and .309 his last two seasons in Triple A?"
Sure. Considering he had seasons slugging .492,.469,.525, .506, and .451. Seems worth a flyer even if it has been awhile since that production level.
Posted by: The Juice | February 25, 2009 at 02:47 PM
"You're surprised that no team is willing to take a "flyer" on a guy who OBP'ed .322 and .309 his last two seasons in Triple A?"
Yeah, but he won the AAA Home Run Derby. Doesn't that count for something? No? Ok. I'm glad he cleared waivers, and I hope we still have a spot for him. Could be a late- late bloomer. We have good minor league depth, but I'd like to see him get AB's rather than just cut him.
Posted by: Furrski | February 25, 2009 at 02:49 PM
Marte has had two subpar offseasons in a row in AAA and has been terrible at playing in a part time role in the majors so far (career 56 OPS+) and can only play one position and not a skilled one (3B). He doesn't bring much to the table. I'm not very surprised he cleared waivers.
Posted by: Teetz | February 25, 2009 at 03:38 PM
A little surprised at that nobody even picked him up to at least give him a tryout in Spring Training...
I heard from a friend that Hodges is slated to start the year at AA, so that could leave an opening for Marte in Columbus for a short while.
Even though he is still reasonably young, I've lost all faith in Marte becoming a decent Major Leaguer, but if Hodges is at AA.. Why not give him another shot in the minors and maintain some depth?
Posted by: GoTribe | February 25, 2009 at 03:41 PM
Seems to be a good fit with the Giants or maybe some high school team.
Posted by: OmegaMan | February 25, 2009 at 03:51 PM
Nefatali Perez too (in regards to who the braves let go). If we could've kept him, along with Hanson, Jurrjens and possibly Cole Rohbrough, we couldve had a rediculous young starting staff.
Posted by: bravesfansc | February 25, 2009 at 04:03 PM
I was hoping the Phillies might get him, cause Feliz might be out for some time, and with Dobbs at third for the time being, we could use another bench player (assuming Nomar signs with the A's or retires) or a platoon at third until Feliz returns. Long Shot though.
Posted by: schilling | February 25, 2009 at 04:04 PM
DUDE I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU SCRIBBLETONE. See, but that would be a good move. Something you don't associate Ed Wade with EVER. Aaron F*cking Boone. Seriously. UGH
Posted by: RoyOswaltSteroidFree | February 25, 2009 at 04:11 PM
lol FAT ELVIS "ANDRUWS"
Posted by: RoyOswaltSteroidFree | February 25, 2009 at 04:13 PM
Ishikawa went 3 for 3 with 2 homers and 4 RBI in today's opener.
That might be why they kept him and not get Marte.
Posted by: obsessivegiantscompulsive | February 25, 2009 at 05:03 PM
Crud, does he suck that much?
Posted by: DCSportsGuy | February 25, 2009 at 05:38 PM
"DUDE I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU SCRIBBLETONE. See, but that would be a good move. Something you don't associate Ed Wade with EVER. Aaron F*cking Boone. Seriously. UGH"
You clearly think I'm biased against the Astros. But at least this time you agree with me.
And by the way, tell me of a single deal that Wade has made that has been truly good?
The Matsui signing was alright, the Wolf trade ended up working out pretty well, and the Valverde trade was solid, but Wade hasn't made a single move that in hindsight you think, "Damn. Great Job Ed."
I'm giving you a perfectly legitimate chance to disprove my argument that Wade is a poor GM and he's simply not doing a good job.
What has Wade done that's really been great?
Posted by: scribbletone | February 25, 2009 at 05:41 PM
I was just being tough on him,
Ed Wade brought in Darin Erstad who is an above average 4th outfielder because of his solid d, versatility and plate discipline. Wade drafted Wesley Wright in the Rule 5 draft. Wesley wasn't anything special but he was decent against lefties last year. The Latroy Hawkins trade wasn't too shabby. He did pitch 20 plus scoreless innings before giving up a run. I didnt like the Matsui signing in hindsight, but Kaz can be consistent when he isn't sidelined. So far Ed Wade hasn't done anything destructive enough to warrant me hating him. The pot is boiling is all I was saying. Remember when he traded Brandon Duckworth and some others for Billy Wagner. He riped us good. Ironic how thats the only trade worth a damn that I recall him making.
Posted by: RoyOswaltSteroidFree | February 25, 2009 at 06:04 PM
Well trade with marquee player involved anyways. Tejada deal was a shame.
Posted by: RoyOswaltSteroidFree | February 25, 2009 at 06:07 PM
"I was just being tough on him, Ed Wade brought in Darin Erstad who is an above average 4th outfielder because of his solid d, versatility and plate discipline. Wade drafted Wesley Wright in the Rule 5 draft. Wesley wasn't anything special but he was decent against lefties last year. The Latroy Hawkins trade wasn't too shabby. He did pitch 20 plus scoreless innings before giving up a run. I didnt like the Matsui signing in hindsight, but Kaz can be consistent when he isn't sidelined. So far Ed Wade hasn't done anything destructive enough to warrant me hating him. The pot is boiling is all I was saying."
So what you're saying is that you're fine with Wade as a GM because he hasn't made any HORRIBLE moves?
Have you ever thought about the fact that Wade hasn't gotten the Astros any closer to contending short term, and outside of the 2008 draft he hasn't helped long term either.
I'm just really confused as to how you, as an Astros fan, can be so tolerable of Wade's mediocrity.
If I was an Astros fan I'd be calling for Wade to rebuild that team, so I can see a legit contender within the next five years, rather than watch Wade continually build teams that win like 80-85 games.
Posted by: scribbletone | February 25, 2009 at 06:34 PM
The Cubs should have signed Marte and made room for him on the bench...not sure who he would replace though.
Posted by: namesake49 | February 25, 2009 at 07:26 PM
Wade has only been the GM for a year. Cut the guy some slack. Its not like Houston had a decent farm system before Wade became GM. They just took the shorter route instead of trading the great players for prospects who might or might not pan out. Do you really think that I can ride up on my horse to Minute Maid park and demand these things? I'm not Sam Houston, I'm just from Houston. In no way am I defending Uncle D here. Wade has a job. That job is to try to win every year through low risk signings until he can eventually can build up his farm system. I really do like the idea of adding a Masterson/Bowden/Anderson/Buchholz package of two of them plus some low minor leaguers for Oswalt. I want to rebuild, but I don't find what the Astros are doing as a mockery of management or anything. It feels nice to know from time to time that my team always has a chance to win. We were only 3 games out of the wild card when Ike hit last year. We surged in the Second half without Carlos Lee. Sure Wigginton was "the guy" then, because of Berkman's .259 average after the break, but we can still very well be a contender this year. I've seen crazier things happen. Scribble, if the economy keeps going according to plan, your "advice" may end up coming to fruition.
Posted by: RoyOswaltSteroidFree | February 25, 2009 at 07:43 PM
Speaking of Marte, who do you think "won" the Sox/Indians trade...?
Posted by: schilling | February 25, 2009 at 08:30 PM
"Speaking of Marte, who do you think "won" the Sox/Indians trade...?
The Indians by a landslide I'd say. Shoppach looks to be the best player in that deal, and it's not close. I'm pretty sure the Sox would love to have Shoppach right now...
Posted by: wimbley95 | February 25, 2009 at 08:47 PM
schilling, think about it. Boston got C Josh Bard, RHP David Riske and OF Coco Crisp. Cleveland got C Kelly Shoppach, RHP Gulierrmo (no clue how its spelled) Mota, 3B Andy Marte, RHP Randy Newsome.
Look at the rosters today. Josh Bard was traded from Boston to where ever for Mirrabelli, and now he is back with them after signing a one year deal. David Riske is gone, and Coco Crisp was traded for a bullpen arm. On Cleveland's side, Mota is gone, Newsome is still coming up, Marte is nothing, and Shoppach led the AL catchers in HR's last year despite only 300some AB's.
I'd say both teams failed because it did not work out the way they planned, but Cleveland didn't fail as bad as Boston.
Posted by: ilulic | February 26, 2009 at 07:53 AM