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According to Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals have released Adam Kennedy. They'll still be responsible for his $4MM salary. The move was "apparently made at the strong urging of manager Tony La Russa," who didn't want Kennedy to be his starting second baseman.
Skip Schumaker has been working out at second base, and could play there if the Cards don't add anyone to replace Kennedy. Strauss mentions Brendan Ryan and a few others as possible competitors for the job.
This is good news for Orlando Hudson, who has another possible bidder for his services.
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Really couldn't find anyone to dump him off on? Wow they must have really disliked him.
Has Schumaker ever played the infield? What about signing Durham to a one year deal?
Posted by: yanks09 | February 09, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Yea, I was thinking Durham on a one year deal would be a great signing for the Cards. Working out at second is great and all, but I'd rather have the guy that's played there for 10 plus years and keep Schumaker in the OF.
Posted by: bravesrule14 | February 09, 2009 at 12:51 PM
I could see the Mets offering Kennedy a minor-league deal to challenge Castillo, and potentially make him play even harder to keep his job.
Posted by: metzfan22 | February 09, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Hudson will be a Cub
Posted by: cubs land | February 09, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Now sign Hudson and the middle infield will have improved exponentially.
Posted by: MVPujols | February 09, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Wonder if the Card will attempt to restart Kelly Johnson for an Outfielder talks.
Posted by: FBIRem | February 09, 2009 at 12:56 PM
If the O's don't get a deal done soon... Brian Roberts! St.L. does not really have a lead off hitter.
Posted by: XD23 | February 09, 2009 at 12:57 PM
with my luck, the Nationals will pick up adam Kennedy and make him the starter with Anderson Hernandez and Ronnie BElliard behind him
Posted by: phoenix88 | February 09, 2009 at 01:01 PM
The Cards will not spend money for Roberts.
Posted by: studio179 | February 09, 2009 at 01:05 PM
Wow...for them to take a $4m hit on a player in this economy says a lot. So even if they sign Hudson you would have to tack on the $4m they ate on Kennedy to the actual cost of what they payed for him (Hudson). Was Kennedy that bad last year or was it just the weak bat?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | February 09, 2009 at 01:10 PM
Why do Met fans want Kennedy? He's not better than Castillo.
Posted by: icedrake523 | February 09, 2009 at 01:17 PM
I think that this opens the door for a trade with the Braves for Johnson and one of the outfielders preferably Ludwick.
Posted by: jtd | February 09, 2009 at 01:21 PM
Why is it that every time there is a free agent being disscused, the Mets fans run in here screaming "SIGN HIM OMAR"!?! The Mets dont even need some of these guys.
Posted by: Tomahawk368 | February 09, 2009 at 01:22 PM
WHAT THE $*#&
he hit .280 and played well above average defense last year. Just another case of being in Tony's doghouse
Posted by: Redbirdfan | February 09, 2009 at 01:24 PM
The Cardinals should trade for Ronny Belliard or sign Mark Grudzielanek. Both briefly played for STL and would be welcome back.
Posted by: mattymo30 | February 09, 2009 at 01:26 PM
Roberts wouldn't cost money. He'd cost minor leaguers. While bringing a real table setter for Pujols.
Posted by: XD23 | February 09, 2009 at 01:26 PM
After that article yesterday, this looks like good news for Ray Durham, maybe...
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | February 09, 2009 at 01:27 PM
What forcasted Adam's doom was his request to be traded late last season. It was obvious that he didn't want to play for the Cards anymore. This is still surprising to me b/c of the way the economy is and b/c they do not have a solidified starter yet for 2B. I hope this means we will sign O-Dog, but I doubt it especially since they had to "eat" the $4 mil from Kennedy's salary.
Posted by: JP | February 09, 2009 at 01:27 PM
Kennedy has never been in favor in STL. I dont care if he hit .280 as his offesive production was next to nothing. Plus all he did was moan about PT he never played himself into getting. Good Riddance to bad rubbish!
To answer the question of if Skip has played 2nd. Then answer was that he last played it in college.
Posted by: SDcards | February 09, 2009 at 01:28 PM
I love this release and I think that Dan Uggla would be a good fit because the Marlins traded an outfielder and their first baseman and Chris Duncan could fill one of those roles and replace Uggla's pop. A package of Duncan and a low level pitcher might be enough. If you dont like that idea what about giving Grudz another shot.
Posted by: Cardinal Fan 10 | February 09, 2009 at 01:28 PM
The marlins traded an outfielder and their first baseman away. Dan Uggla is upset in florida. What about a package of Duncan and a pitcher (Mortenson or Boggs or whoever) to florida for Dan Uggla. IF not that then what about Grudz aganin...
Posted by: Cardinal Fan 10 | February 09, 2009 at 01:30 PM
Here are my top five replacements for kennedy in order:
1. Hudson
2. Uggla
3. Schumaker
4. Grudz
5. Durham
I think that any of these minus schu would make a freat double play partner for Greene.
Posted by: Cardinal Fan 10 | February 09, 2009 at 01:34 PM
The Cardinals won't be signing anyonen who would cost them their first-round draft pick, believe me.
Our GM is saying that we're going to fill the position from within the organization, but I suppose a trade is also possible if we find the right match.
Posted by: mojowo11 | February 09, 2009 at 01:34 PM
I wouldn't mind Dan Uggla, but no way the Marlins accept Duncan and a pitcher only for him. It's going to take quite a bit more. The only reason they would do that is b/c the Marlins don't want to pay him so that they can keep their payroll basement low, which I know they like to do but I still don't see them giving Uggla up that cheap.
Posted by: JP | February 09, 2009 at 01:35 PM
Also heard a rumor about a return of Edgar Gonzales in a trade but I don't take it seriously.
Would Durham cost a draft pick if signed by STL. Not sure what type status he had
Posted by: SDcards | February 09, 2009 at 01:42 PM
Tim, what do you think? Any hope the Cards sign Orlando?
Posted by: JP | February 09, 2009 at 01:42 PM
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090209&content_id=3811230&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl
john tells us that he is going to fill the position from within. i doubt there will be any trades. he is pretty stick to what he says.
Posted by: stlbaseball | February 09, 2009 at 01:43 PM
JP:
What do you think it would take for the cards to land uggla? Honestly we only have one or two pitching prospects that I think could be in the majors eventually (Todd and Garcia) so what would it take. Maybe Duncan and Brian Anderson who is blocked behind Molina.
Posted by: Cardinal Fan 10 | February 09, 2009 at 01:45 PM
Yeah he is considering he said Kennedy would be our second baseman this year.
Posted by: Cardinal Fan 10 | February 09, 2009 at 01:46 PM
Duncan? Is he still playing? I thought his career was over with is injury. So why would a team move a star player for a guy who might not even be able to play?
Cards would be very lucky if they could land a low A prospect for Duncan at this point. Now if he can come back and show that he can still play they might be able to get a backup inf guy.
Posted by: Twins GM | February 09, 2009 at 01:49 PM
The Cardinals will not sign Hudson (or any other Type-A free agent) as long as they have to give up a first round pick.
Personally, I think this means Schumaker has looked pretty good taking ground balls. I doubt they'll go get anyone right away.
BTW, Schumaker had a .359 OBP last year. I wouldn't necessarily say the Cardinals "don't have a lead-off man." He sucked against lefties, but he did very well against righties (.340/.393/468/.861).
On top of that, Rasmus would be OK in the leadoff spot, even though he'd look much better in the two hole in front of Pujols.
Posted by: Seals | February 09, 2009 at 01:50 PM
Duncan had neck surgery, and is supposedly swinging well.
I always take all medical information from Cardinals' doctors with a grain of salt, but you'd think Duncan would have to prove himself healthy in spring training before he plays anywhere.
Posted by: Seals | February 09, 2009 at 02:01 PM
"What do you think it would take for the cards to land uggla?"
Rasmus-plus.
"Honestly we only have one or two pitching prospects that I think could be in the majors eventually (Todd and Garcia)"
Wow...you don't know much about the system then.
"Maybe Duncan and Brian Anderson who is blocked behind Molina."
Duncan has arguably negative value at this point. He has to prove that his injury was the problem and that his experimental surgery fixed it in order to have ANY value. Anderson will be play most of this season in Memphis, get called up late, and back up Molina next season.
Posted by: easton714 | February 09, 2009 at 02:04 PM
Too bad that Kennedy was worth more than 4MM in 2008. A good bit more, to be honest with you. Yay TLR's doghouse.
Posted by: melonis rex | February 09, 2009 at 02:10 PM
"Roberts wouldn't cost money. He'd cost minor leaguers. While bringing a real table setter for Pujols."
Right, for one year. I don't see cardinal management doing that at the cost Baltimore wants in terms of players only to get one year for Roberts in St. Louis.
They won't spend the money longterm on Roberts or players on him short term.
Posted by: studio179 | February 09, 2009 at 02:11 PM
Replacing Kennedy with Orlando Hudson is an absolute massive waste of opportunity cost/money.
1. You're still paying Kennedy 4MM.
2. Orlando Hudson's salary. Let's say he signs 2/10MM (same contract Ellis got).
3. O-Dawg still costs the first rounder. Good bye 19th overall pick or whatever pick the Cards have.
I don't understand this move, period.
Posted by: melonis rex | February 09, 2009 at 02:17 PM
And, I really think Oakland should claim him. 2B/3B help.
Posted by: melonis rex | February 09, 2009 at 02:27 PM
Maybe Wren is close to a Kelly Johnson for Ryan Ludwick swap.
Posted by: AtlantaBred | February 09, 2009 at 02:57 PM
JP:
What do you think it would take for the cards to land uggla? Honestly we only have one or two pitching prospects that I think could be in the majors eventually (Todd and Garcia) so what would it take. Maybe Duncan and Brian Anderson who is blocked behind Molina.
CardinalFan, I would imagine a solid combination of prospects. I could see the Marlins asking for Anderson (cheap and young 2-way catcher), Todd (the Marlins love those cheap, young arms), Perez/Motte (MLB ready reliever, and Jarrett Hoffpauir (a 2B type to immediately replace Uggla). I don't know if that's all it would take, but I think that would be at least a good guess.
Posted by: JP | February 09, 2009 at 03:05 PM
"Roberts wouldn't cost money. He'd cost minor leaguers. While bringing a real table setter for Pujols."
Right, for one year. I don't see cardinal management doing that at the cost Baltimore wants in terms of players only to get one year for Roberts in St. Louis.
They won't spend the money longterm on Roberts or players on him short term."
Actually, he's signed for two years. And its real money, 14m total.
And whoever said Kennedy was worth "a good bit more" than 4m last year? Yeah, you're wrong.
Seriously.
Wow.
Posted by: farley503 | February 09, 2009 at 03:07 PM
Maybe Wren is close to a Kelly Johnson for Ryan Ludwick swap.
Posted by: AtlantaBred | February 09, 2009 at 02:57 PM
Mo isn't that stupid.
Posted by: Cardsfan387 | February 09, 2009 at 03:08 PM
"Maybe Wren is close to a Kelly Johnson for Ryan Ludwick swap."
I hope not.
Posted by: JP | February 09, 2009 at 03:08 PM
Rafael Soriano/Mike Gonzalez and Kelly Johnson for Ryan Ludwick seems fair.
Posted by: AtlantaBred | February 09, 2009 at 03:22 PM
Where's the Adam Kennedy for Julio Lugo deal when you need one:)
Posted by: soxbraintrust | February 09, 2009 at 03:23 PM
"Rafael Soriano/Mike Gonzalez and Kelly Johnson for Ryan Ludwick seems fair."
That sounds much better to me than just Kelly Johnson for Ludwick. 2 relievers (a rightie and lefty) and a starting 2B, much better.
Posted by: JP | February 09, 2009 at 03:25 PM
"Actually, he's signed for two years. And its real money, 14m total."
Farley, Roberts is due 8 million in '09, that's all. Regardless, I don't see the Cards going after him.
Posted by: studio179 | February 09, 2009 at 03:30 PM
"Where's the Adam Kennedy for Julio Lugo deal when you need one:)"
Soxbraintrust, please tell me that is sarcasm?
Posted by: JP | February 09, 2009 at 03:33 PM
""Rafael Soriano/Mike Gonzalez and Kelly Johnson for Ryan Ludwick seems fair."
That sounds much better to me than just Kelly Johnson for Ludwick. 2 relievers (a rightie and lefty) and a starting 2B, much better."
I didn't suggest both. 1 of them. The / means or.
Posted by: AtlantaBred | February 09, 2009 at 03:39 PM
Ok smarty well then I say NO!!!
Posted by: JP | February 09, 2009 at 03:42 PM
I love this release and I think that Dan Uggla would be a good fit because the Marlins traded an outfielder and their first baseman and Chris Duncan could fill one of those roles and replace Uggla's pop. A package of Duncan and a low level pitcher might be enough. If you dont like that idea what about giving Grudz another shot.
I agree w/ the Cards dealing Duncan and maybe Parsi to the Marlins for Uggla. That would give the Cards an All-Star callibar second baseman, plus an extra bat to help Pujols out.
Posted by: Joe | February 09, 2009 at 03:50 PM
I would be okay with Soriano and Johnson for Ludwick and a PTBNL.
Posted by: jtd | February 09, 2009 at 03:54 PM
Maybe the Cards could throw in Nick Stavinoha, and see if the Marlins would throw in Taylor Tankersley. That would also give the Cards a pitcher who has had closer experience. Plus, Tankersley's a lefty, so that helps!
Posted by: Joe | February 09, 2009 at 04:01 PM
"I would be okay with Soriano and Johnson for Ludwick and a PTBNL."
I think it makes sense for both clubs. As it stands, the Braves have a crowded bullpen and the Cardinals need some back-end-of-the-pen help. Prado or a free agent fills in at 2B for the Braves and their roster is set. Plus they probably have money to sign Ohman, Glavine, AND a free agent 2B after that.
Posted by: AtlantaBred | February 09, 2009 at 04:02 PM
Right, 1 year. Still can't get that whole 09 thing down yet. Anyway, The likelihood that Mo is going to throw 9m down the same whole he just tossed 4m is nil and niller.
Posted by: farley503 | February 09, 2009 at 04:05 PM
The bullpen is crowded but also has its questions. After the trade they wouldn't have the money for three players they could get Ohman easily.
Posted by: jtd | February 09, 2009 at 04:07 PM
If Glavine accepts a 3M contract, Ohman 4M/yr and Orlando Hudson 7M/yr that's 14+4 for Ludwick coming in while 3 for KJ and 6 for Soriano going out. What's 18-9? 9. How much money do the Braves have? 9 million.
Posted by: AtlantaBred | February 09, 2009 at 04:12 PM
I'd take a .290 25 100 from Bobby Abreu over Ludwick, who knows if it was a fluke or real. Plus, we wouldn't give up any prospects, and no more than 3 a year.
Posted by: Bravesfan10 | February 09, 2009 at 04:30 PM
Its almost a certainty that your not going to get those numbers out of Abreu. The average is about right but he is not going to hit 25 homeruns. He hasn't hit 25 homeruns since he hit 30 in 2004 with the Phillies. He just seems to be in a decline at 34 years old. Ludwick is only 30 years old and has better power and the averages should be about the same.
Posted by: jtd | February 09, 2009 at 04:47 PM
I agree. It is just silly that people keep discussing Jonhson for Ludwick. How about sign Dunn/Abreu and don't trade away KJ for a guy who might or might not have just had a fluke season.
Posted by: nrmax88 | February 09, 2009 at 04:49 PM
I think they might stick schumaker at 2nd to free up a spot for rasmus
Posted by: bobby p | February 09, 2009 at 04:52 PM
What do you think it would take for the cards to land uggla?"
Rasmus-plus.
"Honestly we only have one or two pitching prospects that I think could be in the majors eventually (Todd and Garcia)"
Wow...you don't know much about the system then.
"Maybe Duncan and Brian Anderson who is blocked behind Molina."
Duncan has arguably negative value at this point. He has to prove that his injury was the problem and that his experimental surgery fixed it in order to have ANY value. Anderson will be play most of this season in Memphis, get called up late, and back up Molina next season
If we have more than two pitchers ready or close to ready for the majors we could have landed peavy and/or they would be in the rotation to replace piniero and K-Mac could stay in the pen to rerplace springer. Obvioulsy non of these things are happening so who are the other pitchers. Walters isnt ready, Parisi is hurt along with Garcia, Boogs is average at best, and MOrtenson is still unproven like Jess Todd. I like Todd and I think that he could fill K-Mac's role last year and that would move K-Mac into the rotation. But please with my poor knowledge of the system help me out with these pitchers we have that are great in the minors.
Posted by: Cardinal Fan 10 | February 09, 2009 at 05:00 PM
Ben,
Please edit your post or update it. Johnny Mo made a statement today saying that the 2B position will be supplied from within. Your statement that Orlando Hudson has another possible bidder is overstating things. Maybe down the road after Spring Training is over and the current options do not pan out there will be a possibility but as of right now, your post gives the false impression. Thanks.
Posted by: JBCardsFan | February 09, 2009 at 05:07 PM
Skip Schumaker was a college SS and relief pitcher. I believe he is a good enough athlete to make the transition back to middle infield.
Posted by: CardsFan5 | February 09, 2009 at 05:39 PM
skip shumaker played 2nd in college. adam kennedy is garbage, and this is a good chance to finally make a move. go for hudson!
Posted by: dakota atkinson | February 09, 2009 at 05:45 PM
Kennedy to the Mets doesn't really make a lot of sense. They're essentially the same player-- they're both 33 and both give you anemic offense and passable defense. They both have zero versatility. Castillo had 8 Win Shares last season, Kennedy had 7.
The only thing worse than Luis Castillo is TWO Luis Castillos.
Posted by: JK47 | February 09, 2009 at 06:51 PM
Maybe the Cards want to wait before making a move until their arbitration hearings are finished and the potential trade targets' arbitration hearings are finished. A new club doesn't want to go to arbitration with a newly acquired player, they'd prefer for him to go through the hearing with their old club.
Posted by: AtlantaBred | February 09, 2009 at 06:53 PM
Castillo could net a guy like Brian Fuentes
Posted by: Bravesfan10 | February 09, 2009 at 06:57 PM
"Would Durham cost a draft pick if signed by STL. "
No.
Posted by: AA | February 09, 2009 at 07:43 PM
Cardinals fans amuse me.
You really think you would get our 8th AND 9th inning guys, along with the 7th best 2nd basemen in baseball for Ludwick, a LF who has had one and half good years?
It would be KJ for Ludwick straight up.
OR
Prado, Soriano and another decent prospect for Luwdick.
Mike Gonzalez, Rafael Soriano and Kelly Johnson for Ludwick. Ha nice joke.
GO BRAVES
Posted by: bravesfansc | February 09, 2009 at 08:21 PM
No! I lived through the '06 season and belive me when I say that the bullpen never has enough depth! Do not even trade for Ludwick unless its an obvious "Braves win out" deal. He could be a bust and we are out a great 8th or 9th inning guy. Sign Abreu for 2/6 and chill!
Posted by: LeroyJenkins | February 10, 2009 at 02:09 AM
I say Kennedy comes back to Anaheim. He is one of our champions and a local guys. He is going to have a better season with the comforts of home and TL off his back. He is always welcome here.......Anaheim Hills says bring it.
Posted by: TR | February 10, 2009 at 11:11 AM
"And whoever said Kennedy was worth "a good bit more" than 4m last year? Yeah, you're wrong.
Seriously.
Wow."
Fangraphs has his worth at 7.7 mil last year, and he made less than half of that.
Wow.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | February 10, 2009 at 11:14 PM
Here are my opinions, for what they are worth.
1. Kelly Johnson is overrated
2. Ludwick, while definitely having risks, could be a HUGE get for a team like Atlanta. The guy was a top 10 hitter in baseball last year...I mean he almost slugged .600! Even if he regresses to 80% of what he did last year, he is worth more than Kelly Johnson.
2. Chris Duncan is not worth anything...and barely worth a roster spot until he proves some things.
3. This move surprises me, but TLR is TLR I guess, and had to have it his way. They must be really hoping that Skip can play some 2nd.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | February 10, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Hudson will be a Cub
Posted by: cubs land | February 09, 2009 at 12:54 PM
That is probably the stupidest thing i have ever heard. The cubs a stockpiled in the infield why do you think they trade Derosa.
Posted by: jonathon | February 12, 2009 at 02:19 PM
Duncan and Parsi for Uggla? You've got to be kidding me. Beinfest would hang up the phone unless the first words out of Mo's mouth were Colby Rasmus.
Posted by: bravesrule14 | February 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM
"Duncan and Parsi for Uggla? You've got to be kidding me. Beinfest would hang up the phone unless the first words out of Mo's mouth were Colby Rasmus."
Not necessarily.
Cards could make a deal without giving up Rasmus, but it would pretty much clean out the rest of their farm system.
They'd have to give up both Brian Anderson and Jess Todd, along with one of Motte/Perez.
Posted by: melonis rex | February 15, 2009 at 10:49 AM