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Steve Kelley of the Seattle Times talked to Giants starter Randy Johnson, who is 45 years old. The Big Unit doesn't seem ready to hang up his spikes after reaching 300 wins:
"Who's to say that I can't pitch just because I'm 50 years old? If I'm 48 years old and I'm still throwing 93 [mph] and still winning 10 or 12 games and still having fun and still being competitive, why would age matter? I'll retire when I feel like the fire had gone out of my belly. But I still have that fire and that will to compete. That's why I went through those back surgeries."
If Johnson comes anywhere close to his stellar '08 performance, he'll continue to find work easily. Jamie Moyer got a two-year deal at age 46. Johnson does have a minor Spring Training injury, described by Bruce Bochy as "a tiny touch of biceps soreness."
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50? ill bet he doesnt make it to april...
Posted by: 04Forever | March 17, 2009 at 09:12 AM
RJ has fun playing baseball? Are you sure he said that?
Posted by: pinetarhand | March 17, 2009 at 09:15 AM
I hope so!
Posted by: kgbaseball | March 17, 2009 at 09:32 AM
"RJ has fun playing baseball? Are you sure he said that?"
Sure, you just have to keep him away from NY and the pesky reporters from there..
Not sure if RJ can keep his "heat" another 5 years and since he is still a power pitcher, if is FB goes totally away, he will have to learn another entirely different way of pitching and going on to the age of 50 then would depend on that. Some like Schilling and Moose learned to pitch effectively after losing the heater and not saying that RJ would not, yet we all know that he is a stubborn man.
Can easily see both Moyer and Wakefield pitching to the age of 50, barring injuries that is with the soft stuff that both of them toss up to the plate so effectively. Moyer has been spared so far, but Wakefield has been having back troubles the past couple of years and that may hurt his cause.
Posted by: johns | March 17, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Would love to see it, but there's no way his body can hold up. He might think he can pitch that long, kind of like how Rickey Henderson thinks he can still play in the majors, but GMs and their fears won't let it happen.
Posted by: Sports Journalism Today | March 17, 2009 at 10:55 AM
"Not sure if RJ can keep his "heat" another 5 years and since he is still a power pitcher, if is FB goes totally away, he will have to learn another entirely different way of pitching and going on to the age of 50 then would depend on that."
Heat is relative. Remember that Randy was throwing 98-100 with regularity for years. For a comparison, imagine Jonathan Broxton, who has a similar pitch mix to the early Unit, doing that for 7 innings every 4-5 days. While 93 is nothing to sneeze at, pretty much any MLB hitter can catch up with a poorly located 93 MPH fastball, while even the best were getting blown away if they even slightly mis-timed Johnson's old stuff.
Remember that Randy threw just 2 pitches and the fastball wasn't the better of them. It was his insane slider that was ripping people apart after they saw a bunch of cheese. He used it as both a breaking ball and a change up, because he was getting an 8-10 MPH difference even throwing it at 90.
What the 45 year old Randy Johnson has done is add 2 new pitches to his arsenal. He throws a split that was likely helped along by the presence of Curt Schilling and he added some sink to his fastball as the velocity dropped, which allows for more GBs.
Posted by: AA | March 17, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Yeah, people should probably realize that Randy Johnson isn't like most other pitchers. This guy is a monster.
His regularly high 90's fastball is down to the 90-93 range, but he still locates it and has the command offspeed stuff to be a very good starter.
He posted a fantastic 3.76 FIP in 2008, and he hasn't posted an FIP above 3.80 in any season since 1991 except for 2006. All of his peripherals were better in 2008 than they had been in New York, and the emergence of a solid splitter (which he threw 13.4% of the time last season) has made him more than a two-pitch pitcher.
If Randy Johnson continues to be the same pitcher that he was at age 45, then there's little reason to believe that Johnson can't continue to be a starter at the ML level.
Moyer vs. Johnson, who finishes first?!?
Posted by: scribbletone | March 17, 2009 at 11:34 AM
He still dominates at this age. I get scared everytime Randy or Cole Hammels faces us. They seem to win everytime. The dude is old but incredibly good. He can throw 95! He is still a #2 or 3.
Posted by: Darion | March 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM
I understand fully what both of you are saying AA and Scribbletone, but Johnson is throwing in the 93mph range with his nasty, hard slider and Moose and Schilling in their last season's were not even breaking 90mph and hitting spots with slider/curves/splitters. the type of pitchers they had turned into were entirely different than each was a couple of season's before, especially so with Schilling who had a 95-97mph FB just 2-3 seasons earlier and was a pitcher along the line of Johnson and used his Slider and splitter, but his FB was a major tool that he could no longer use.
Posted by: johns | March 17, 2009 at 01:04 PM
"Johnson is throwing in the 93mph range with his nasty, hard slider and Moose and Schilling in their last season's were not even breaking 90mph and hitting spots with slider/curves/splitters"
Johnson's stuff definitely hasn't declined to the extent that those two guys' did, but he still has had to make changes to his approach, for sure.
As I brought up previously, as did AA, Johnson has begun to implement a mid 80's splitter, which has given him the third pitch that enables him to depend less on his fastball.
Schilling was still throwing 88-92 during his final season in Boston, so it's not really fair to say that his stuff fell off the cliff.
I just see little reason to think that Johnson's fastball will ever go below the 89-92 range, and with his offspeed stuff and command, he seems fully capable of being a fantastic starter.
I think that if his fastball was going to steeply decline in velocity, it would've by his 45th birthday.
I'm not saying he'll last until he's 50, but he should definitely be solid for a couple more years.
Posted by: scribbletone | March 17, 2009 at 01:13 PM
Randy Johnson is a freak of nature. Just look at him, he's like Abe Lincoln with a mullet. His slider is still nasty, I could see him closing the last 2-3 years of his career.
Posted by: Will Smiff | March 17, 2009 at 01:55 PM
I can't find any reference to a pitcher making it to 50 playing in the major leagues, but several have made it into their late 40s, including Hoyt Wilhelm and Phil Neikro.
Posted by: BlueSky | March 17, 2009 at 03:05 PM
"His regularly high 90's fastball is down to the 90-93 range, but he still locates it and has the command offspeed stuff to be a very good starter."
People seem to forget that Randy has significantly improved his command and control as he has gotten older.
"I can't find any reference to a pitcher making it to 50 playing in the major leagues, but several have made it into their late 40s, including Hoyt Wilhelm and Phil Neikro."
Ever hear of a guy named Satchel Paige?
"I understand fully what both of you are saying AA and Scribbletone, but Johnson is throwing in the 93mph range with his nasty, hard slider and Moose and Schilling in their last season's were not even breaking 90mph and hitting spots with slider/curves/splitters."
Johnson is also a very different pitcher. The only injuries Randy has ever had have been to his back, and that relates far more to being 6'10" than anything in his pitching. Schilling's shoulder is destroyed and was likely breaking down as his velocity dipped. As for Moose, he was never a huge velocity guy. He could touch 95 very early in his career, but so could Greg Maddux. He rarely dialed it up to that level because he relied more on movement, location and speed differential. He pretty much spent his whole career in the 89-92 range.
"the type of pitchers they had turned into were entirely different than each was a couple of season's before,"
Mussina pretty much never changed his approach. 89-92 4-seamer, knuckle curve, change speeds, impeccable control.
"especially so with Schilling who had a 95-97mph FB just 2-3 seasons earlier and was a pitcher along the line of Johnson and used his Slider and splitter, but his FB was a major tool that he could no longer use."
Schilling kept using his FB a ton even as he lost some velocity. He never even hit 10% with any of his breaking pitches other than the splitter.
"I just see little reason to think that Johnson's fastball will ever go below the 89-92 range, and with his offspeed stuff and command, he seems fully capable of being a fantastic starter."
Unless he destroys his arm, which is highly unlikely given how good his mechanics are, I don't see him going much lower than he is now. Johnson's physical stature and mechanical consistency are a huge aid to his velocity.
Posted by: AA | March 17, 2009 at 03:58 PM
"Ever hear of a guy named Satchel Paige?"
He pitched his last major league game at the age of 47.
So, yeah. I have heard of him.
Posted by: BlueSky | March 17, 2009 at 06:35 PM
How long did Julio Franco go til? Maybe he and Johnson will have a bet...
Posted by: tailgate8 | March 17, 2009 at 06:40 PM
Franco was 49 when he retired.
Posted by: BlueSky | March 17, 2009 at 06:44 PM
Possible he could pick up closing in the next couple years if he wanted to, or one heck of a loogy.
Wouldn't surprise me to see him to learn to pitch right-handed honestly, the guys a freak.
Posted by: bwit43 | March 17, 2009 at 07:09 PM
In 1965, Kansas City Athletics owner Charles O. Finley signed Paige, 59 at the time, for one game. On September 25, against the Boston Red Sox, Finley invited several Negro League veterans including Cool Papa Bell to be introduced before the game. Paige was in the bullpen, sitting on a rocking chair, being served coffee by a “nurse” between innings. He started the game by getting Jim Gosger out on a pop foul. The next man, Dalton Jones, reached first and went to second on an infield error, but was thrown out trying to reach third on a pitch in the dirt. Carl Yastrzemski doubled and Tony Conigliaro hit a fly ball to end the inning. The next six batters went down in order, including a strikeout of Bill Monbouquette. In the fourth inning, Paige took the mound, to be removed according to plan by Haywood Sullivan. He walked off to a boisterous ovation despite the small crowd of 9,000. The lights dimmed and, led by the PA announcer, the fans lit matches and cigarette lighters while singing “The Old Gray Mare.”
Posted by: 2_girls_1_George_Sherill | March 17, 2009 at 08:21 PM
Satchel Paige pitched in ONE game as a publicity stunt in 1965. I'd hardly consider that pitching into his 50's.
Posted by: Clint C | March 17, 2009 at 11:05 PM
They were known as "cameo appearances," and quite a few retired ballplayers made them in their 50s. At 59, Paige may have been the oldest to do one in a regular major league game. Several others did their curtain calls in the minors or playing in exhibition games. Paige did another one of those when he was 61.
Posted by: BlueSky | March 17, 2009 at 11:50 PM
"They were known as "cameo appearances," and quite a few retired ballplayers made them in their 50s."
Same owners also doing it for the most part. Charlie "O" with Paige to get people into the stands with Satchel Paige and Bill Veeck (who was famous for moving OF walls, 1st known humidifying of baseballs to deaden them, Eddie Gaedel the midget amongst other novelties) brought Minnie Minoso to bat not one season, but TWO over the age over 50. Veeck had him as a coach on his Chisox and allowed him to come to the plate at the age of 51 in 1976 for 8 AB's and again in 1980 at the age of 55 for an additional 2 AB's.
Posted by: johns | March 18, 2009 at 12:52 AM
Yup, and now we have old timer's games instead of cameos. I suppose we have Veeck to thank for that.
Posted by: BlueSky | March 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM