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Manny Suspension Only Frees Up $2.7MM For L.A.

According to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports the Manny Ramirez suspension frees up just $2.7MM in payroll this year for the Dodgers- or about $5MM less than originally expected. Because Manny's contract is deferred over the course of many years, he'll lose the money gradually, instead of all at once. Though Manny was originally expected to lose close to $8MM in total, he'll only lose $6.8MM. The Dodgers save $2.7MM this year and $1.37MM in each of the next three seasons.

Rosenthal adds that the Dodgers are expected to spend on pitching if they decide to make any additions.


Comments

first

Wow, you should really feel like you accomplished something today.

So it is even less than I figured this morning. For $2.7M the Dodgers can run out and sign... uh... Kenny Rogers?

Why should they run out and spend any money? They should win the NL West by at least 10 games even without Manny. In the playoffs most teams only use 3 starters. After Kershaw, Billingsley, and Wolf what do they need? Middle relief?

Kershaw, Billinsgley, and Wolf is hardly a totally dominant playoff rotation though. Billingsley is totally legit, he is an ace for sure, I will give you that, but Kershaw, while having worlds of talent, is hardly a sure thing in any given start at this point. He walks about 4.5 per 9, he is not the dominant pitcher that he will be soon. He can be beaten in a playoff game. As for Wolf, he isn't scaring anybody in a playoff series. It isn't a terrible threesome by any means, but you hardly consider a series impossible to win because of Bills, Kershaw and Wolf.

Wasian, I agree, there are few things in the world that are as stupid as posting "first" in a blogging comment section. These guys act like they explorers who just came across unknown territory.

FIFTH!

I am pretty sure the Dodgers are going to trade for a SP by the deadline. Most likely well before it, probably some time in June.

My guess is that the pitcher will be Cliff Lee and will probably not cost much.

I am guessing it will be something like Scott Elbert and Xavier Paul for Lee.

Elbert struggled in his time up to start the season but has been dealing in the minors. Xavier Paul has was raking in the minors before he was promoted.

The Indians could obviously use the SP prospect and Paul could end up their LF next year or maybe later in the season.

Lee would make a very nice No. 2 or No. 3 SP for the Dodgers.

The rotation could then round out:

RHP Billingsley
LHP Lee
RHP Kuroda
LHP Wolf
LHP Kershaw

That's gotta be the best rotation in baseball.

And then the pen will be:

RHP McDonald
LHP Ohman
RHP Mota
LHP Kuo (when healthy)
RHP Bellesario
RHP Wade
Closer Broxton

That should be a pretty dominant pen.

With a healthy Manny and that staff, I really like the chances of the Dodgers in the World Series.


Thoughts on whether the Dodgers will go after Peavy? Does the smaller amount of money they're saving this year on Manny mean no?

I'm guessing that even with the savings they won't get Peavy. Not sure why, I could be wrong but I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think the Padres would be all that willing to trade him in the division without a huge haul coming back, and I don't think the Dodgers will want to overpay for him when there will likely be other descent pitchers available.

Yes, the Dodgers do need to add pitching and no, it's not a given that even without Manny they will win the division by 10 games. One significant injury in the rotation or on more loss of a good position player and suddenly that division will start looking a lot more competitive. Not improving the team now when they have the chance to do so just because they think they'll win the division by a lot is a serious and stupid mistake. Their fans who are saying they shouldn't do anything because they're going to win the division will be the first ones bitching if they end up losing it.

If any Dodger fan needs proof that teams who are supposed to win their division aren't guaranteed anything, just look at what the Cubs are going through. Almost every one of their star players have been hurt at one time or another this year and suddenly they aren't a lock to win anything anymore.

That Dodgers rotation is behind Tampa, N.Y.Y., Boston, LAA, and the Cubbies by a country mile DieHardHomer!

Red Sox Dynasty,

I was saying IF the Dodgers acquired Lee, then they would have the No. 1 rotation.

Dodgers behind the Red Sox? Definitely would NOT be the case if they traded for Lee and probably not behind them right now with Matsuzaka on the DL and Beckett and Lester struggling.

I will give you Tampa Bay but not necessarily the Yankees or Cubs either.

When the Angels get back healthy, then, yes, they should be better too.

BTW, the Dodgers' team ERA of 3.84 was good for 5th in MLB going into today and that doesn't take into account the fact that they shut out the Giants today 8-0. So I think you may be underestimating the Dodgers' pitching a little bit.

“My guess is that the pitcher will be Cliff Lee and will probably not cost much.

I am guessing it will be something like Scott Elbert and Xavier Paul for Lee.”

Elbert and Paul for the reigning CY winner (who is following up that season extremely well outside of his first start of the season) who has 1.5 years left on a cheap contract? Cleveland wouldn’t do that. Shoot, Bavasi or Phillips wouldn’t have done that – and they were known for horrendous deals.

A deal for Lee or any #1 or #2 would probably require at least one of Lambo and McDonald.

While I would love to have Peavy here, it seems unlikely because the Pads dont want to face him for 5 yrs. However, a package with Lambo and McDonald for Peavy, espically if Peavy is just as strick as he was last yr in where he wanted to go, it would be smart for them to consider it.

In fact, just for Ghits and Siggles since I am stuck in bed bored out of my mind, I figured I would factor what Lee’s season would look like if he continued to pitch like he has in his last 6 starts over the next 25 (assuming a 32 start season)

222 IP, 2.59 ERA, 1.39 WHIP, 63 ER, 57 BB, 149 K, 11 HR. 2.3 BB/9, 6.1 K/9, 2.6 K/BB, .5 HR/9 .344 BAbip. And you know that unrealistically high BAbip is impossible to keep up, would look even better if he continued at this exact same pace and it corrected itself.

How does that compare to last year?
223 IP, 2.54 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 63 ER, 34 BB, 170 K, 12 HR, 1.4 BB/9, 6.9 K/9, 5.0 K/BB, .5 HR/9, .294 BAbip. You can see, slightly less K, bit more BB (last years rate was impossible to keep up), and an unrealistic BAbip are the only differences.

Of course, he would also have a 5 – 25 record so a follow-up Cy Young might be out of the question. I seriously cant believe that Cleveland has scored this guy a total of only 7 runs in his 6 loses/no decisions. That is 2 shutouts, 3 times scoring one, and once they managed a whopping 4 runs of support in those 6 games. The seventh was of course opening day at Yankee Stadium where the Indians unleashed 10 for Lee’s sole win.

Back to the point. It is probably time for everyone to completely forget the “one year wonder” stuff, and when trying to gauge a trade value for Cliff Lee, people might be best served thinking along the lines of Sabathia. Think it is out of line? Well, consider his line last year, his production so far this year outside of that first start, and the fact that his 2010 option means 1.5 seasons at roughly an 11 million cost to the receiving team. The Indians are going to want a lot, and then some – and it is rightfully so.

Cliff Lee has been unreal since the start of last season.

I could see the Dodgers trading McDonald but definitely NOT Lambo.

A McDonald, Paul plus a prospect (maybe Eovaldi) for Lee could be a possibility.

The Indians could be in rebuild mode next year, especially in terms of their pitching, and may want to cut salary.

The Dodgers can give them a couple decent arms and an OF prospect and save them $8 mill for next year (Lee's salary for '10).

If the Indians want the farm for Lee, then let them keep him. Chances are, they still won't be contending next year with that staff and you know Lee is gone after next year via free agency.

One positive from Manny's suspension is that it probably greatly increases the chances that Manny will NOT opt out due to the fact that no one will probably give him more than the $20 mill he will get from the Dodgers for 2010.

But Manny's contract is structured so that he will only count $10 mill towards salary for 2010 so the Dodgers if he does stay.

That's pretty much a bargain for Manny and with Schmidt's $16 mill coming off the books should leave the Dodgers with money to spend in the offseason.

“A McDonald, Paul plus a prospect (maybe Eovaldi) for Lee could be a possibility.”

Why do you keep saying Paul? Don’t the Indians already have Sizemore, Choo, LaPorta with Francisco, Crowe and Dellucci also around, a DH locked in for a couple years a solid enough 1B in Garko and 2 catchers they are trying to find ABs for? And I think everyone of those players will be around for a couple years outside of Dellucci. Cant see where they would have any interest in Xavier at all.


"If the Indians want the farm for Lee, then let them keep him"

As if no other team other then the Dodgers would be looking for a SP. That was a silly statement.

We keep saying Paul because he is going to be a good player, can play all 3 spots and CF really well, but we dont have any ABs. He is probabaly been our top OF prospect that is ready thus far

"he is going to be a good player, can play all 3 spots and CF really well, but we dont have any ABs"

Oh, well I cant see where the Indians would have any ABs for him at all either, so he probably shouldnt be included. They probably wouldnt value him enough to give him the value you think you might be able to find elseware. I would think they would be looking for 2nd, 3rd, SS and pitching only - or low minors guys with a larger upside if they took yet another player for the OF or 1st. Between players like Sizemore, Choo, LaPorta, Francisco, Hafner, Garko, Crowe, Martinez, Shoopach, Carlos Santana (who you might remember), Brantley (the other player in the Sabathia trade) and probably a couple more, finding ABs in the Cleveland OF, 1B or DH slots will be near impossible I imagine.

Your right about their OF situation. I wouldnt be surprised if they want someone like DeWitt, Hu, or DeJesus(who i think is least likely to be traded.)

why dont they go out and sign pedro martinez. i know hes getting up there in age but come playoff time pedro would be very valuable if he stays healthy. hes demanding 5 mil which isnt that bad anymore because their saving 2.7 mil from manny.

they also wouldnt have to give up prospects. if they wana make a run for the series this year then this would put them over the top in the NL as the clear favorite. although I do consider them the best team in the NL thus far.

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