Are Mets Too Injured To Deal?

Holt, Mejia, Flores, Marte to name a few?.. Mets have a ton of prospects in AA and A ball.

I will be very, very disappointed if Omar makes a blockbuster this year. There's far too many injuries and holes to plug--I really don't think our outlook has to change. Look at the longterm, forget this year. If Reyes progresses ahead of schedule and Putz somehow is on track to come back early then we can talk about a blockbuster, but with these injuries there's far too much to do. Keep the farm, give up on this year. Life goes on.

I think the Mets can pull any trade they need to. Obviously the areas of concern are SP and a big bat. Go get a salary dump for SS to back up Cora and focus on a 1B/OF bat.

1. Ruben Tejada is waaay young for the level. Demote him back to high-A ball since he's struggling so much.

2. You think other teams won't listen to offers if the Mets want to trade guys like Flores, Havens, Holt, Niese, etc. Remember that teams that are dealing their better players (Holliday, Bedard, Lee, etc.) are assuming themselves out of the race. They'll take prospects who should contribute down the road.

3. Putz. He wasn't that good last year, and his recovery was a wild card anyway. Omar knew that when he traded for him.

4. Niese has a FIP of 4.54 in AAA. The Mets AAA team must be awful or something because he's getting no defensive help. He had a FIP of 1.85 in the 10 MLB innings he pitched. Niese is getting more unlucky than lit up.

5. The Mets will never punt the season because they are the Mets, and what happened in '07 and '08. Omar's going for it. I see the Mets pulling one, if not two, big trades this deadline.

"this deadline" might be too late melonis rex. There is still 2 months of baseball before the deadline comes.

- Ruben Tejada won't be next in line to play short. There are plenty of AAA journeymen out there like Martinez and Valdez that the Mets can pick up quickly. Tejada just isn't ready. He's also adjusted pretty well to AA, so I'd say there isn't any reason to demote him. He had a very good month of May.

- I don't know who assumed that trades for Huff and Johnson would include Parnell. Teams trading for rentals very rearely trade talent off of their majoe league roster. It would be far more likely that those guys would net several minor leaguers

"The Mets AAA team must be awful or something because he's getting no defensive help."

I believe they're either the worst or second worst team in the league.

Boston has the BP depth available, but the Mets do not have anyone at the MLB level that can think of that can fix the obvious problems the Sox have, as the Mets have the same SS and power shortage problems at the moment with Rios and Delgado out.

I imagine Delcarmen could be had if the price was right and he could step in and take over 8th inning duty for Putz until he came back, but not really familiar with the Mets upper echelon of prospects besides F-Mart and that would be far too much for MDC.

Any idea on a suitable swap for him Mets fans?

But... they're from New York. They are supposed to get whatever they want. It's not fair!!!

On a serious note, I actually feel bad for the Mets. They had a very loaded roster the past few years and had random acts of bad luck just screw them up. The same thing is happening this season, though they should have better prepared their pitching rotation. They even brought in a nice utility man in Cora who also proceeds to get hurt.

Yea wow...Putz was really never right this year...I wonder if the Mariners knew something about his elbow not being fixed when they dealt him?

Wilpon is going to look like an epic fail if they stand pat and finish 3rd in the NL East.

At this point their minor league system cant afford to be dealt off for injury/stopgaps that arent bringing back premium talent/future. Wilpon needs to use his only asset left...his wallet. Buy some assets on the FA market like a Pedro and Edmonds or some others scrubs and than once you have gotten some "depth" you could deal what you have? Any ideas? I mean Tim Redding??I say put Pedro and El Duque, Odalis (LOOG)all in the pen and see what happens...

"After all, it was assumed that any deal the Mets would make for either Nick Johnson of the Nationals or Aubrey Huff of the Orioles would include hard-throwing Bobby Parnell. "

Um..... what?

I think the mets should make a trade for david ortiz julio lugo and manny delcarmen and trade oliver perez fernando tatis and luis castillo

if this dont work then they can get Latroy hawkins and miguel tejada for perez and tim redding

"I think the mets should make a trade for david ortiz julio lugo and manny delcarmen and trade oliver perez fernando tatis and luis castillo

if this dont work then they can get Latroy hawkins and miguel tejada for perez and tim redding"

Posted by: mets123 | June 05, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Nice work...you managed to make that entire trade suggestion with no punctuation.

@ nrmax-

Wait. Ruben Tejada's OBP is .381?

I take that back. Tejada isn't struggling. Especially if he's really good defensively. Leave him in AA for now though.

I don't think the Mets should necessarily move the better prospects, but the PR situation could get ugly. I think there will be a big move to keep the Mets going, for the sake of PR, if anything.

Although Tim Redding's unconditional release would help as well.

Yeah, um howard megdal, i don't think the mets will trade their best bullpen pitcher(not a closer) when they had the worst bullpen in the majors last year. I think not. They actually have a decent minor league system, but are all very young- Holt, Havens, Mejia, Flores, Thole, Marte, Kunz, Tejada, there are some more i can't think of but these are quality prospects, and three can get you a very good palyer, and 4 can get you a star. For now how about Kunz, Marte and a b level prospect for LaRoche?

Kunz, nick evans, b level?

What exactly do you mean by B-level? Personally, I'd say Kunz would be a B-level prospect, and Evan has little to no value right now.

dylan* owen

he has pop and would be cheap, and can just fill in and then they can trade murphy + for a legit 4 hitter like jermaine dye and their lineup would be actually good
1.Cora
2.Castillo
3.Beltran
4.Dye or other aging power hitter
5.Wright
6. Laroche
7.F-Mart
8.Santos
Not bad right, also gives us balenced lienup and wright protection

Melonis,

Yeah, Tejada's actually faring surprisingly well. He got off to a rough start, but its amazing that he's managing to do anything at all at Double-A. Some of its a mirage created by a .341 BABIP despite a LD% around 10%, but still, that's as good as you can expect from a 19 year old who struggled in HiA last year.

Honestly, he looks to me like a good high floor, low ceiling type. Maybe something along the lines of a SS version of Luis Castillo's prime, a .300 / .380 / .400 hitter with a slick glove and 30 SB speed.

Maybe but i don't think the Mariners match up well with the Mets after their lastest trade.

If the Mets do pull a trade figure it to have more to do with money/salary relief than with player talent.

Do you honestly think Dye can be had for Murphy? The Sox are only 3.5 out at this point...

Yeah realize there is a plus sign next to murphy which would normally mean muphy plus

nmaybe niese niewenhuis and evans for branyan, but holt and havens are pretty much untouchable unless you are getting and allstar

I also wish people woudl stop staying trade Niese & Evans... while they may be able to play on the Mets, they are not going to be able to ply on just about any other team... who is going to give up a player for a guy with an ERA over 8 and a guy that is hitting .203....

please stop it.

They mets will not be able to make a A trade unless it contains FMart & Parnell.

The Mets need to stop horsing around here. Yes they may be too injured to make a deal (not wanting to give up the young guns) but right now Matt Holliday who is a perfect fit for this team is hitting below average up up in Oakland. If it means parting with Fernando Martinez to acquire him, then Omar needs to make a move, now. I also don't understand why people are suggesting numerous SS who are going to hit .220 and not offer an improvement over what we have now. The solution is to move David Wright to SS and I KNOW its far fethched but if the Mets want a winning products than move Wright to SS and pursue a player like Kevin Kouzmanoff or maybe even Garrett Atkins... Wright can field the ball and although his range at short may not be enough, it will make us much more stronger team as a whole.

"if this dont work then they can get Latroy hawkins and miguel tejada for perez and tim redding"

There are two ways this trade makes an ounce of sense. Number one is that Perez is not Oliver, but a 5-tool 3B prospect I've somehow never heard of. Number two is that the Mets pay every dime of Oliver Perez' contract.

Otherwise, I fail to see how the getting out of a terrible contract, getting a quality reliever and getting a quality shortstop is merely worth Tim Redding.

dear nrmax88

you are a clown... i talk baseball the right way, slugger!
Who says I am a Yankees fan...?!?! maybe your not talking to me, but being it followed my 2 posts i will assume you are.
I am not worried about the mets... i follow baseball and know much more than that little skull of yours could ever fathom.
Dont go trying to stir up stuff on a message board because my drivel is correct, and you know it.

The mets are a team in shambles, one of the most mediocre teams around.. they are under a .500 team in the AL at full strength if you want my true feelings.
They need to blow up the core because you will never win.

You have a CF who should just shut up... because he calls out his team and then the very next night doesnt run out a ball, walks to first and gets thrown out at 3rd... shoudl he be benched, yep... will he?? nope... no leadership or balls from the manager or higher ups.

that is why teh mets will never win and the mets will never make a trade this year to stay in it.

they are about a big of a joke as yoruself.... thanks for the time

Jose Reyes wOBA so far this year: .344.

I know it feels like freakout time, and in no way are Mets better without Reyes, but based on what he had contributed to the current 29-24 record, they're really not in vastly different shape than they've been in since they lost Delgado. If they had Reyes, sure, maybe they go 31-22 in their next 53 games instead of 29-24. But peeps need to stop with the lunacy. The Met still have one of the two or three best bullpens in the game right now (No thanks to J.J., mucho gracias Parnell). They have a pretty solid top three starters, and Livan, whose adequate enough to generate a few wins. This team can pitch enough to stay in the hunt as the landscape in the NL East fluctuates. Should they make a move? Maybe, but they don't HAVE TO.

I still think Miguel Tejada's the guy to target. He's the one guy who can kinda fake Reyes level production out of SS (even if his defense is atrocious), and he's also the one guy who can fill in for Reyes and then move to 1B and act as an instant offensive upgrade over Murphy/Tatis. He wouldn't be some kind of special 1B or anything, but assuming Reyes comes back and Delgado doesn't, Tejada could still be worth at least one extra win over the seasons final 2 months as the everyday first baseman over Murphy/Tatis.

"hey are about a big of a joke as yoruself.... thanks for the time"

ouch babe. Very ouch.

You know how to cut to the core of me Baxter. Go wear your little Yankee hat and Jeter tee-shirt and sit in the bleachers at Yankee stadium, and just keep on thinking that you have any idea what you are talking about. It's like they say, ignorance is bliss, so you should be pretty happy. You are certainly ignorant.

Melonis,

You make a very good point about Beltran being one of (if not the) best center fielder in the NL. The team, as currently configured, certainly needs him. My point is that they're simply not good enough to win this year and if they go into next year with basically the same group and weak farm system, it'll just be more of the same. Everyone thought the Phillies were waving a white flag when they traded Abreu and, well, we all know how that's turned out for them so far. To trade Beltran is an unpopular idea, but the long term benefits would be substantial. They've had him for 4 (5?) years now and have failed to win a World Series with him, so it might be time to realize that his value to the team might come more from what you get for him rather than what he gives you on the field.

I also agree with you on Murphy, although he was defensively challenged in left field, so first base is the way to go if he's to remain with the team long term. But he's a good young player with potential to improve. It seems like people forget that only a year ago he was in AA and didn't even register on any list of top prospects.

I would also say that it's a patently terrible idea to trade Fernando Martinez for Matt Holiday. Holiday can be had in the offseason when he's a free agent. And he hasn't been good enough this year to trade away the Mets' top prospect.

@ duckduckguse-

The thing is, Beltran is INSANELY undervalued thanks to idiots like ESPN's baseball "analysts." Abreu pales in comparison to Beltran. A lot of people think he is an above average player signed to a huge contract. He's actually an elite player, and easily a top 10 position player in MLB.

You bring up Abreu. Abreu is an all-bat, middling glove corner OF. Beltran is a great-bat, great-glove CF. There are so many corner OFers who can mash and play poor defense. There are very few CFers who hit for power, have great speed, AND play great CF defense.

If Beltran were to hit the trade market, he wouldn't be valued correctly. He is worth significantly more on the field than he could ever net in a trade, for that simple fact.

Agreed on the Mets might be best organizationally served to punt '09, although its too early to tell. I just don't think the PR with punting will fly well, especially with what happened in '07 and '08.

what about russel branyan

russel branyan sucks unless u want him to come off the bench i say no one should mention that bums name in a trade rumor discussion

Hey, knock it off with the dealing Fernando crap. I'm serious. I'm sick of this ridiculousness. The guy is 20 years old. He hit 8 HR in about two months in Triple-A, and now has a 4/4 K/BB in his first 35 MLB PA's. The results may not quite be there yet, but he's hardly been overwhelmed by MLB pitching. And oh yeah, HE'S F-ING 20! I'm happier with what he's done than if he'd been hitting like .250 / .300 / .550 with a couple HR, a ton of Ks, and a high BABIP. He's taken a tremendously disciplined approach for such a youngster in the majors. If anything, he's been under-aggressive, which is absolutely stunning for his long-term prospects. Who cares about not running out a popup, this is a significant indicator of a player with a good head for the game, and someone who could be an awesome player for years to come.