Dodgers Looking For Arms

Kershaw has more trade value than Jon Lester, according to Fangraphs. Yet, the Dodgers have to include him in a "package"? Stupid.

"Dodgers Looking For Arms"

I hear that Brad Penny is available.
/ducks

"Kershaw has more trade value than Jon Lester, according to Fangraphs. Yet, the Dodgers have to include him in a "package"? Stupid."

It has to do with the fact that 1) the dodgers dont have the front-line guys elseware 2) his lines are not as impressive as his ERA looks.

The prospects fans keep talking about might be able to get them close to Lee, and that is probably where they should focus. Almost anyone put into that park sees a drastic improvement, so Lee could probably look unbelievable down the stretch and in 2011. Cleveland seems to want a ton as well, but it could maybe get done.

"James McDonald, Ethan Martin, Devaris Gordon, Josh Lindblom and Andrew Lambo?"

LOL. You offer that and JP hangs the phone up on you. That's an embarassing offer for Doc. No Chad or Clayton and the Jays will look elsewhere.

>>the dodgers dont have the front-line guys elseware

Look at Chris Withrow's peripherals at Class A Inland Empire. He has a high ERA, but it's a product of the California League. He's a future #2 with upside.

>>his lines are not as impressive as his ERA looks.

The only weakness Kershaw has right now are walks and pitch count. These tend to get better with age and experience.

"James McDonald, Ethan Martin, Devaris Gordon, Josh Lindblom and Andrew Lambo?"

LOL. You offer that and JP hangs the phone up on you. That's an embarassing offer for Doc. No Chad or Clayton and the Jays will look elsewhere.

Posted by: Jays24 | July 15, 2009 at 06:09 PM
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How is that embarrassing? Every one listed is part of the top 10 prospect in the Dodgers farm system? That's a way better deal than what Twins got for Santana. Hell, its better than what the Indians got for C.C.

The dodgers should swallow their pride and and fix both problems by making a deal for Penny and Saito from the Bo Sox. Penny should be a type B FA after the season and Saito has a club option next year for what he makes this season (which is incentive based).

"James McDonald, Ethan Martin, Devaris Gordon, Josh Lindblom and Andrew Lambo?"

LOL. You offer that and JP hangs the phone up on you. That's an embarassing offer for Doc. No Chad or Clayton and the Jays will look elsewhere.

Posted by: Jays24 | July 15, 2009 at 06:09 PM

Don't worry because the Dodgers WON'T offer that package.

Colleti would have to be crazy to offer that package for Halladay.

Hell, in 3 yrs the Jays would have 3/5 of a rotation, an outstanding SS and a power-hitting 1B/corner OF.

And we would have a 35 year old Halladay who would probably start showing his age like Lowe is with the Braves.

No thank you.

The Dodgers have the best record in baseball and just got back the most feared slugger in baseball not named Pujols.

They don't need to hit the panic button on a trade for an ace.

If the Jays want to hold unto him, more power to them. Reality is, though, that with or without Halladay, the Jays are not going to be better than the Yanks, Red Sox or Rays this year or next season.

So they should probably deal him now for the best package they can get and not just try and outright rob teams of all their best prospects for Halladay.

""James McDonald, Ethan Martin, Devaris Gordon, Josh Lindblom and Andrew Lambo?"

LOL. You offer that and JP hangs the phone up on you. That's an embarassing offer for Doc. No Chad or Clayton and the Jays will look elsewhere."

The Jays would be foolish not to consider such an offer and even more foolish to ask for Clayton Kershaw or Chad Billingsley.

Let's start with Devaris Gordon, who BA has a Jimmy Rollins-like upside.

Ethan Martin is a high first round pick, who will breakout big time next season. He has number 1 starter potential.

Josh Lindblom and James McDonald have similiar upsides. Both could be very good number 2 or 3 starters or potential closers.

Add in Andrew Lambo, who the Dodgers feel could be their next James Loney and that is an extremely solid package.

The Blue Jays NEED to trade Roy Halladay, to rid themselves of his salary AND to try to rebuild in order to beat the likes of the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays.

The Dodgers could USE Roy Halladay, or they could look elsewhere while the Jays end up possibly trading him within the division to the Yankees or to a team like the Phillies.

"So they should probably deal him now for the best package they can get and not just try and outright rob teams of all their best prospects for Halladay."

LOL Halladay is the proven top 2 pitchers in all of baseball. Prospects are exactly that. They could amount to something, they could amount to nothing. Again, none of those dodgers are ranked very high. Sorry if you're blue-tinted glasses can't see that.

"The Blue Jays NEED to trade Roy Halladay, to rid themselves of his salary AND to try to rebuild in order to beat the likes of the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays.'

Hahah. Get your facts straight before you spew nonsense please. Don't post egregiously erroneous slander. Of course, the Jays don't need to trade Halladay. In fact, the exact opposite. They will only trade him if they are blown away period. They are fine with keeping him for next year (when they get their entire rotation back and Snider in the bigs).

Jays24,

You only need to look at the success rate of Dodger prospects to see that the Dodgers scounting and dev. dept. know what they are doing.

Guys like Josh Lindblom, Ethan Martin, Andrew Lambo and Dee Gordon, while still young, all have shown good development and have the tools to be very good major league players.

Sure, they are not Top 50 prospects but guys like Matt Kemp and Russell Martin didn't start out top prospects, either. But they developed into very good ball players.

I personally hope that ALL those guys stay and that the Dodgers just trade a lesser prospect for a reliever or 2 to bolster the pen.

Maybe the dodgers could sell low on Jeremy Guthrie, who is having a bad year but he has shown that he can be at least a solid #3 starter. He is also a fly ball pitcher who could benefit being in Dodger Stadium.

"Maybe the dodgers could sell low on Jeremy Guthrie, who is having a bad year but he has shown that he can be at least a solid #3 starter. He is also a fly ball pitcher who could benefit being in Dodger Stadium."

Jeremy Guthrie is not anything close to being at least a third starter. Yeah, he throws 92-95, but his command is decent at best. He gives up a lot of fly balls and home runs because he constantly leaves the ball up in the zone, and his ERA's in 2007-2008 were absolute flukes.

He can be a decent 4/5 starter as his 2007/2008 FIP's attest (4.53, 4.41), but if you think he's a potential 2/3 starter then you're off base.

Jays24, which of the other teams is gonna offer you a Bills/Kershaw type? None! Thats why you probably don't bother with the starts with Bills/Kershaw or nothing bullshit. As for who we can offer? Gordon fits what you need pretty well, anybody could use a Lambo in the system, but I also think outside of Martin we don't have that much to offer. Lindblom and Winthrow are nice, and should be good, but aren't the Hanson/Alderson type that headlines a deal like this. I doubt the Dodgers have the prospects to get Doc. And one more thing, don't disrespect Bills/Kershaw like that again. 4 years of Bills is worth more than 1.5 of Doc, easily. Try factoring in more than wins to your equation next time you talk trades, homie.

Hahah. Get your facts straight before you spew nonsense please. Don't post egregiously erroneous slander. Of course, the Jays don't need to trade Halladay. In fact, the exact opposite. They will only trade him if they are blown away period. They are fine with keeping him for next year (when they get their entire rotation back and Snider in the bigs).

LOL. You are not clever. Quit that.
Anyways... You just said exactly what JP wants other GMs to think. It is in his best interest for teams to think they can hold on to him. Just like the Peavey situation. Betcha the Pads wish someone else was paying his salary at this point, right?

Lol.... from a chat with Jim Callis this afternoon....

Pete (Philly)

Would you trade Drabek, Brown, Marson and Donald for Halladay?

Jim Callis
(2:50 PM)

If I could sign Halladay long-term, yes. That would position the Phillies as the team to beat in the NL East (and the whole NL for that matter) for a while. Without a long-term deal, I'd still have to think about it. I'd hate to give up all that young talent for 1 1/2 years of Halladay, but the deal would still give me a great chance to win another World Series in the next two years.

"(also Wells is a 2 year removed Gold Glover.. he has lost a step but he isn't awful"

Actually, Wells is absolutely awful.

He's posted the worst UZR of any everyday center fielder in the game, and he was right at the bottom last year as well.

Im happy..

People actually agreeing that the Dodgers have the kids to do it.

Kershaw is not going anywhere, he will get better every start.

I personally think he takes over the ACE status next year.

I was on fangraphs today..

Matt Kemp is the ranked 4th in WAR behind Pujols, Utley, and Zobrist..

Thank god he wasnt traded.

"LMAO, the dude has steadily been one of their better players this year, and his great defense plus the offensive numbers he is putting up, along with being a leader in the clubhouse, and he is far from average."

That doesn't justify giving up an elite prospect in Santana for him.

And I would take Manny and Matt Kemp over Blake this year any day, and honestly going forward for the duration of his contract, he looks like the worst Dodger on the field if everyone were to stick around.

Dodger fan

"re-tooling with prospects" doesn't mean accepting dog crap from your team either ...

McDonald ? you kidding ... stop embarrassing yourself .. BOR in the NL equals 4A in the AL East.

And just throwing it out there but your genius GM dealt for Casey Blake... a league average 3b if there ever was one. So I have no doubt that Kershaw is on the table plus a few of your C+ prospects.

Posted by: cortez101 | July 15, 2009 at 06:48 PM

Statistically, Blake has produced like a top 10 3B this year.

And without Blake, this team does not have the best record in baseball.

Blake ranks 8th among 3B in OPS (.850), is tied for 4th in RBIs and 11th in HRs (12).

He's also 7th in fielding %.

So I don't have a problem with having traded for Blake.

And keep dreaming about Kershaw. Kershaw is NOT available.

He is part of arguably the best young nucleus in baseball and he's going nowhere.

No way Kershaw for Halladay, Kershaw is one the best couple pitching prospects in MLB, he is already a number 2 or 3 starter on many teams. For Halladay, I would offer shortstops Devaris Gordon and Ivan DeJesus, plus pitchers McDonald, Stults and Elbert, I would consider substituting Lambo or martin for Gordon or McDonald, if that is what it takes. Otherwise, let Halladay go elsewhere, pickup Bedard, Beimel and Herges on the cheap, and any other bargains that do not impact the young nucleus of Billingsley, Kershaw, Broxton, Loney, Kemp, Ethier and Martin. In particular, I think Billingsley, Kershaw and Kemp will all, barring injuries, be mutliple-time all-stars in the next few years.

"In particular, I think Billingsley, Kershaw and Kemp will all, barring injuries, be mutliple-time all-stars in the next few years.

Posted by: Dodgersin2009 | July 15, 2009 at 07:30 PM"

Forgot Big John..

Our core is sick and must be kept at all costs.

"Or, maybe because he was far and away the best 3rd basemen available.

And of course Santana being traded was dumb, I'm not going to deny that.

Posted by: cheba63 | July 15, 2009 at 07:36 PM"

Two words..

Blake DeWitt.

"Or, maybe because he was far and away the best 3rd basemen available.

And of course Santana being traded was dumb, I'm not going to deny that.

Posted by: cheba63 | July 15, 2009 at 07:36 PM"

Two words..

Blake DeWitt.'

DeWitt wasnt ready to start. He should have been in the minors all yr, not called up 8 times.

"Of course, any one would take Kemp and Manny over him. As for the 2nd part, I don't really get it. They only have him two years beyond this at a decent rate, has shown no signs of slowing down yet, and they don't really have anyone to replace him with anytime soon."

It's not a bad deal. All I said was that he's worse than Martin, Loney, Hudson, Furcal, Manny, Kemp
and Ethier.

"Or, maybe because he was far and away the best 3rd basemen available."

Is he really that much better than Joe Crede, who plays much better defense and has more power, even if he can't touch Blake's on base skills. Crede got $4M plus incentives for one year, and Blake got $6M for
three. And that doesn't even factor in Blake DeWitt, a superior defender who showed that he can at least get on base. And they could have traded scraps for Mark DeRosa, too.

The only reason why I like the Blake deal is when hes done, Pedro Baez will be ready.

Dodger fans..

How much payroll is coming off this year?

30-40 million?

"Two words..

Blake DeWitt."

DeWitt disappeared last June/July. For a team that has high expectations, tough to have such a huge question mark.

"Is he really that much better than Joe Crede?"

Yes. And Blake has played an amazing 3b this year.

"It's not a bad deal. All I said was that he's worse than Martin, Loney, Hudson, Furcal, Manny, Kemp
and Ethier."

Yet he has played better than most of those players this year.

661DodgerBlue

I would say Josh Bell>Pedro Baez. The Dodgers system is looking way better than anyone really thought at the start of the season.

Also, to all the delusional Jays fans (and any others who may think the same way): Kershaw and Billingsley are Dodgers, and are incredibly untouchable. The same goes with Kemp and Broxton talent wise, and I would assume Loney and Martin are untouchable because of chemistry reasons.

The only one I see being traded in the next couple years is Ethier. I would rather see him stay, and having an outfield of RF. Ethier CF. Kemp LF. Lambo/Kyle Russell in 2011, but if someone in our system steps it up early next year and makes Ethier expendable for a big starting pitcher, I wouldn't hesitate to do it.

"Yes. And Blake has played an amazing 3b this year."

Blake is definitely better than Crede offensively, I never argued that.

But if you think that Blake can come close to Crede on defense, then you're way off. Crede has always looked great at third base, and it's come through in his metrics, as he has a career UZR/150 of +10.2 and he's at +24.8 this season in Minnesota. Blake has a career UZR/150 of -2.3 at third base and a +4.4 UZR/150 in LA this season.

In spite of the fact that Blake is clearly the better hitter, he still only holds a 2.5 to 2.1 lead versus Crede in WAR.

"I would say Josh Bell>Pedro Baez. The Dodgers system is looking way better than anyone really thought at the start of the season."

I thought the same thing when I read that. I thought that Bell had surpassed Baez as their third baseman of the future, after Baez had passed Andy LaRoche, after LaRoche had passed Joel Guzman.

Fielding pct is a dated metric.

And my point is made by Die-Hard Dodger ... other than Kershaw and Chad B the baby blues have diddly poo to offer in a trade other than guys who "project" as viable players... key word.. project...

Same problem as the Cards.

This package will get it done.

James McDonald, Ethan Martin, Devaris Gordon, Josh Lindblom and Andrew Lambo?"

Note: a lot of times it is what the other organziation needs. Over the years looks at so many trade most don't pan out for either side in the long run. Jeff bagwell for Larry Anderson. It helped both side. The blue jays are in a division that is so good and I read that they will be doing more salary dump because attendence is down.

Cliff Lee will cost a lot as well... all you contending teams think that all the teams looking to sell will just give you these players away ...
I understand you guys all have man-crushes on your own prospects but get a grip...

I never said that Cliff Lee would come cheap. I expect the players going back would be among the best the Dodgers have to offer. But, it is a moot point, Shapiro isn't going to deal him at the deadline.

Hey Dodgers fans hows about this. Maybe your back up catcher and worst bullpen pitcher for Halladay.

Will that work? OH better yet, hows about the Jays just GIVE him to the Dodgers for nothing but a smile.

Seriously, if you want a big game pitcher that will bring HUGE success to the Dodgers, youll need to give something up.

Just another team that wants Halladay but is slapping JP in the face by making their better prospects and young players untouchable.

Roy Halladay is one of the top 2 best in baseball. He aint coming cheap.

Is this a joke? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

He's good at fielding because he can make all the plays on balls that he's not too slow and unathletic to get to?

And fielding percentage is almost absolutely worthless. You've failed to show that you know anything about defense in baseball.

Posted by: scribbletone | July 15, 2009 at 10:22 PM

What I'm saying is that he can make the play to balls he gets to.

I never said he was a great defender. Just saying its not like he has iron hands or a shaky throwing arm.

Some guys have great range, but inaccurate arms or iron hands. Its not all about zone rating.

Just because I am not into UZR and all these other stats doesn't mean I don't know anything about baseball.

Don't be a pompous ass.

And, BTW, the Dodgers already have a 2-time All-Star in Martin so I think they could withstand the loss of Santana.

Who is your team BTW?

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Absurd. If the Jays wanted Kershaw THEY would have to start with Halladay!
There is probably nothing more valuable in all of baseball than a 21 year old left handed star pitcher making the minimum.

I dont want DeWitt starting. I think he needs another season of expierence. He did well at the start, but faded late in the yr. However, if Loney is a deal breaker, you have to include him and put Blake at 1st, right?

I think bell moves to the outfield or is included in a trade.

I think to appreciate Casey Blake you have to watch him play every day.

I have no problem with his fielding, hes not Joe Crede by a long shot however.

"Martin/Lindblom/McDonald/Gordon/Lambo is an offer that has some absolutely monster upside."

I really dont want to trade half the system. Even for Halladay, the team needs a 3/4 starter. Pedro would of been great.

If people are correct on on Martin hes going to be a number 1. You tend to keep those prospects, and every time I read something about Gordon its about him getting better. Lindblom will up some time this year and Lambo can be a impact player.

Dodgers are better off trading their "prospects" for that No. 5 starter and 7th-inning reliever. If he hasn't done so already, Ricciardi is probably going to ask the Dodgers for something ridiculous: like Kershaw/Ethier/Lambo for Halladay. Obviously the Dodgers are not going to make a trade like that.

Right now I think we're pretty much only willing to give up minor league prospects, which might land us Jarrod Washburn/Mark Lowe or something along those lines...but not the favorite for the AL Cy Young award. Not Cliff Lee or Roy Oswalt, either.

We aren't the only team that wants an ace, and given what the Angels & Yankees have to offer versus what the Dodgers are realistically going to offer, I just don't see a Halladay deal happening.

We already have a #5 starter in Weaver and a potential #5 starter in Schmidt. Why would we trade our prospects for that?

Do Dodgers fans actually think the jays need to pay Halladays contract to make a deal for the Best Pitcher in the game? Only time that happens is to get rid of selfish cancers like Manny who quit on their team. These Dodgers fans are quickly turning into the dumbest homers on this site!

Oh Red Sox Dynasty. Where to begin!

Is Kershaw as valuable as Lester? A 21 year oid lefty with a 3.16 ERA, 99 K's, and 1.27 WHIP vs a 25 year old righty with a 3.87 ERA, 131 K's, and a 1.29 WHIP.

I'll take Kershaw, but I think Lester is a stud and would love to have him. But I'd still say Kershaw is the better value.

Didn't Manny hit .320 his last month in Boston? I don't remember the exact number. To me it felt like the bandwagon fans of Boston quit on Manny. Yes, an LA fan is calling Boston fans bandwagon.

I don't want Penny. I wouldn't mind having Saito back, but I'd still want Broxton closing.
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FanGraphs rated Lester at #34 and Kershaw at #29. I've argued that even 29 is too low for Kershaw, but even with those ratings you've got a pretty clear case for Kershaw being the more valuable commodity.

"I think this is a reasonable offer."

Sorry, but I think it's completely nuts. Crazy.

So what you do first is, take the best team in baseball and shred it up. Then you take what's left, move them around the field to play positions they have rarely or never played, and hope it turns out well. Great plan. Especially putting Pierre in right. Sure, he's got the arm for right field.

FWIW, I think Loney could be expendable IF Manny was moved to first. But since this is a position he has never played, it's not a change you'd want to make in the middle of the season.

I would trade Santana for Kershaw and Billingsley and the 7th hitter Matt Kemp. That would work out good. Who agrees.

Johan Santana? Not interested. He's one of the best in the game, but he's signed through 2013 which means a trade for him would command a lot more than the Dodgers can afford to give up.

The Dodgers want either a half-season rental or a pitcher signed through 2010. We're trying to go all the way this year. Kemp is a key piece to making that happen.

Halladay and Lee are the leading candidates if we trade for an ace. I don't know how Santana got into the mix.

"LOL! Are you insane???"

I would settle for not even remotely serious.

Funny, but over in another Halladay discussion nobody seems to think that calling Rick Porcello untouchable in a trade for Halladay is unrealistic, but in this thread, you have to believe in tearing the heart out of the Dodgers to get one player, or you're just a dope.

The only post I wont include is when I said DeWitt shouldnt be a starter right now. Here are all my posts:

"I dont want DeWitt starting. I think he needs another season of expierence. He did well at the start, but faded late in the yr. However, if Loney is a deal breaker, you have to include him and put Blake at 1st, right?
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | July 16, 2009 at 12:56 AM
xethicx, its ok. We get that you want Kershaw and Billingsley, but the Jays arent drafting anyone that will be that good. Even Halladay, who is one of the top pitchers in the majors, no doubt, took yrs to become a good pitcher. You dont trade a 21 yr old who needs to refine his control, and he is a top 10 pitcher. Yea, a 21 yr old top 10 pitcher. Buccholz is 24 and still hasnt done a lot in the majors, but people dont think he should be moved. Thats what I dont get.
And Die-Hard, i think scribble follows the Chicago teams
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | July 16, 2009 at 12:28 AM
Is he really that much better than Joe Crede, who plays much better defense and has more power, even if he can't touch Blake's on base skills. Crede got $4M plus incentives for one year, and Blake got $6M for
three. And that doesn't even factor in Blake DeWitt, a superior defender who showed that he can at least get on base. And they could have traded scraps for Mark DeRosa, too.'
Crede hasnt been good this yr, and his back was a major issue. Casey will be the starter for two yrs, and then he'll be a pinch hitter, IMO. Derosa cost a future closer, not scrapes...
'The only reason why I like the Blake deal is when hes done, Pedro Baez will be ready.
Dodger fans..
How much payroll is coming off this year?
30-40 million?'
I really dont think much. Schmdit comes off at 12M, but a llot of guys go into arb. Billz, Kemp, etc all will be in arb. Also, I think that a true starter(another top pitcher) will be a must, by trade or FAs.
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | July 15, 2009 at 08:07 PM
And just throwing it out there but your genius GM dealt for Casey Blake... a league average 3b if there ever was one. So I have no doubt that Kershaw is on the table plus a few of your C+ prospects.'
It was dumb to trade Santana, no doubt, but Blake has been our most consistent player not named, are your ready, Matt Kemp. He is that veteran presense that was needed w/o Manny
' McDonald may have limited upside but he should be a solid BOR starter. Martin has ace upside and while raw he would have a higher ceiling than any pitcher in Toronto's system. Lindblom is also a good prospect with some upside, and Gordon and Lambo are their best two position prospects, and each has high quality everyday player upside'
McDonald is projected to be a 3rd starter or good closer. He can throw 95 in relief, and his control has been good since he came back up. Martin is expected to be an ace, but is raw. Lindblom is expected to be another #3 or #2, or a closer. Gordon and Lambo are our top 2 prospects that arent pitchers.

'"So they should probably deal him now for the best package they can get and not just try and outright rob teams of all their best prospects for Halladay."
LOL Halladay is the proven top 2 pitchers in all of baseball. Prospects are exactly that. They could amount to something, they could amount to nothing. Again, none of those dodgers are ranked very high. Sorry if you're blue-tinted glasses can't see that. '
Our prospects arent on the BA roster because they were drafted this yr or last.
'The package needs to resemble the Tex/Haren deal or the Jays will not trade Doc. Not a single prospect in the Top 50. If the Cards offer Wallace+++ or Texas offer Smoak/Feliz +++ or Phils offer Drabek/Brown/Taylor ++++, why the hell would JP even look at that Dodgers offer? Again, the conversation starts and ends with one of Billingsley or Kershaw. If that's too much, then the Dodgers aren't really in this. They'll go find a 5th spot arm.'
No one is offering those packages. And the conversation doesnt start with 2 proven pitchers who arent above 25. You are slow. Billz is the same age as Buccholz, and is a lot more proven, what has Buccholz done besides one great game(the same thing Jon Sanchez just did), but no one thinks that the Sox are insane for not including Clay. Meanwhile, Kershaw has done as much as Buccholz, you could say, but he is only 21!!!
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | July 15, 2009 at 07:40 PM"

The main post im guessing your talking about is when I discuss McDonald and the other prospects. Well, here are the projections from the best website I could find on dodger prospects, that follow them all yr.

First, heres Lindblom:

'Projection-Lindblom's ceiling is a middle of the rotation starter or a solid closer. The reason he's not projected higher is that none of his breaking pitches are plus offerings. However, because of his polish, the worst case scenario is that he ends up as a decent #5 starter or as a 7th inning guy. If I had to guess, I would peg his best role as a very good setup man.'

And McDonald:

'
Projection-Nothing has changed since last year. I still think McDonald has a ceiling as a #3 starter in the majors, but it is now more likely that he will achieve his ceiling at some point in the near future. The worst case scenario is that he's a the back of the rotation starter or a 7th inning guy out of the bullpen."

And for kicks, heres Lambo:

'Projection-I think Lambo could eventually be a borderline All-Star in left field. Maybe a middle of the order type hitter that tops out at 30 home runs and hits .290-.300 regularly. I also think he could be an above-average defender. Worst case scenario is that he ends up as an above-average hitter, but is limited to first base defensively, and tops out at 20-25 homers. There's also a chance he never learns to walk enough, and his OBP is less than premium for a hitting position.

Lambo is still a ways off in his development, but i'm already very optimistic (a rarity!) about his chances of achieving something close to his ceiling. Actually, his projections sorta remind me of Andre Ethier.'

Also, if your talking about my Loney, prospects for Halladay and Rolen, I only said that when it was reported here that the dodgers were at the Jays game and Rolen was being looked at

So please, tell me where the homer comes in?