Pedro Martinez To Take Physical For Phils

Man Tim is on fire with all these posts tonight! Feels like the old days!

It doesn't seem likely Moyer will be in the rotation next year, and he presumably can't/won't work out of the pen. If Pedro shows any signs of life (read as pitches less terribly than Moyer has) and Halladay is acquired then Moyer is definately the odd man out, despite the dollars.

Wow...

If Phils sign Pedro tomorrow, Manuel still has time to add him to the All Star Game!!

Posted by: 55saveslives | July 13, 2009 at 02:03 AM

sounds like someone is still bitter over the Victorino over Sandoval vote??

maybe you should have either voted more online or if your team got to the WS last year you could have had Bochy pick whoever he wanted.

If your Giants keep playing like they are this year maybe they can get to the WS and we can see Travis Ishikawa in next year's ASG. We can only hope!!

I don't understand this move at all. Pedro gave up 19 homers in 100 innings and had a 5.6 ERA last year in a pitchers park. Outside of the fact that the Nats, Braves, and Mets are offensively challanged(didn't seem to help current Philly pitching) , I don't see how Pedro is going to improve after another year of age and rust is added to an already past it's prime arm in a park that doesn't allow any mistakes to fly ball pitchers.

Halladay would be ideal for them. On top of being one of the elite pitchers in the game, his style of pitching(grounders and strikeouts) is perfect for their park. If they got him they'd be favorites to repeat. But with Petey, I'm not so scared.

Of course Manuel is picking his guys. That's what managers do for this game. Check out Torre last year. How do you NOT take Howard then when he's leading in HR's and RBI's?

"More food for thought: ESPN's Buster Olney said Thursday that a Pedro signing wouldn't affect a Roy Halladay pursuit. Would Moyer be the odd man out in the event of a deal, despite the money owed to him through 2010?"

Probably not. Most likely, what this means is that the Phils think the Blue Jays won't do a Halladay deal without getting Happ as part of the package. In that case, Pedro's still replacing the rotating cast of characters at the 5 slot (Bastardo, Lopez, Carpenter, whatever else Rube drags up from Lehigh), and Halladay replaces Happ, so the rotation is Halladay/Hamels/Blanton/Moyer/Martinez.

"Would Moyer be the odd man out in the event of a deal?"

Not if the Phillies are thinking about sending Happ to the Blue Jays in a trade deal for Halladay. Bringing in Martinez BEFORE a trade with Toronto would be the smart move. Otherwise, the Phillies would still have a hole in their rotation and would be merely swaping a #3-4 starter for a #1 starter.

While Happ at 6-0 in the majors this year is a proven commodity, the Phillies FO think that both Drabek and Carrasco(?)are going to be superior to Happ.

Ah yes....Can always count on philsWS to throw in...

I don't know why you hate the Giants so much...I'm sure you think Jason Werth was deserving too!

wouldn't it be ironic to see martinez and halladay in the same rotation? i mean, halladay is basically believed to pitch well into his 40s, and any extension to him will be justified. but couldn't we have believed the same about pedro martinez? i think the jays are wise to trade him now.

If Pedro can post a sub-4.5 ERA then the move makes sense. I'm far from convinced he can. I'm actually pretty well convinced he has no chance of doing so in Citizens' Bank Park. And if that's the case, why not just keep throwing the kids out there? At least the kids are learning something, they're getting better, they're part of your long-term plans, and they're cheaper. I don't think the Phillies are going to benefit very much from this move.

As far as All-Star selections go, Javier Vazquez and Rafael Soriano should have made the team and Charlie's anti-Braves bias showed there. That's OK, though. All of the Braves pitchers will get their 3-days rest and be ready to go in the 2nd half. And they'll be playing with vengence for Charlie's double-snub. Thanks, Charlie. You did the Braves the biggest favor you could have possibly done.

Specifically aganist the Phillies they will be on a mission. I wouldn't be surprised if a few balls get tossed at the heads of Phillies players.

Come on, you know better than that. How many times have Braves guys gotten thrown at, slid into, whatever else, and nobody on this team has the guts to retaliate?

You, of all people, should know that this is not a team that retaliates against anything. They'll continue to go about their business as they always have, and play soft. It's what they (unfortunately) do best.

I absolutely can't the argument of "Welp... you should have won the pennant!". If the manager isn't putting the BEST team available, he isn't doing his job. That goes for both managers. Pena (a 1B) over Kinsler (a 2B that finished SECOND in the final vote) is a crock. Same goes for Charlie taking his OFer (who he didn't even think deserved to be in the final vote) over Kemp.

God forbid these managers keep their homer-ness in check for a few days.

Look at Jayson Werth's stats in the last 2 weeks. They are pretty damn good. He has been able to hit for power and average as of late and along with his spectacular defense, it may it easy for Charlie to take Werth over Kemp.

Your comment says it all. Two weeks does not an all-star make.

Posted by: Timotheus | July 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM
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I think what Aaron was getting at is that with Charlie watching Werth every day he knows how good he is when he's on, and he's on right now. Because of that it was easy to choose him over Kemp. It didn't have anything to do with two good weeks making someone an all-star.

And to everyone else...wah. Players get snubbed EVERY YEAR. I don't completely agree with Charlie's picks (or Maddon's, for that matter), but come on...you had to see it coming. Learn to deal with it and stop taking it personally, because the players sure as hell have.

"Pedro landed in Philly for his physical"

let me know when when he steps in the doctors office

And, hell, it's not like he picked someone with Jhonny Peralta-esque numbers. Werth's had an up and down year and he's on the up now. He's a damn good player when he's on and that could mean a lot in an All-star game-- especially to the guy who picked him to go, considering he probably thinks he's got a damn good chance at being in the World Series again and wouldn't mind home field advantage.

"11:52am: Andy Martino reports that Pedro landed in Philly for his physical."

12:37am: Joe Schmoe reports Martinez has brushed his teeth and is preparing to call a cab.

In all seriousness though, considering this IS Pedro, I guess it is a big deal that he actually showed up in the right city for his physical.

"haha. You must've missed where i stated in the Jonathan Sanchez post that the Giants are the team as a Phils fan i fear the most if we both get to the postseason."

Over the Dodgers?

I mean, yeah, Lincecum-Cain-Johnson-Zito/Sanchez is scary.

But is it scarier than Billingsley-Kershaw-Kuroda-Wolf on a team with a better defense and a farrrr better offense?

The Dodgers are easily the scariest team in that league. Look at Billingsley and Kershaw's numbers, compare them to Lincecum/Cain. The difference isn't THAT big.

Kershaw/Billingsley: 225 innings, 218 K, 114 BB, 1.91 K/BB, 14 HR, 3.28 ERA

Lincecum/Cain: 244 innings, 244 K, 80 BB, 3.05 K/BB, 15 HR, 2.36 ERA

Basically, the only difference between these two duos is that Lincecum has been so much freaking better than the other three.

I'd take Kershaw and Billingsley over Cain, any day, easily.

"And like scribbletone I believe that Matt Kemp should have been there but until they take this decision completely out of the manager's hands you'll have this. You've had it for years and years and years. The argument hasn't changed."

I realize that.

And that's why I think that managers shouldn't have any choice.

Either give the choice to the fans, the people who are paying to see the game, or give it to analysists who will ensure that the most deserving superstars are on the field.

Nobody wants to turn on the All-Star Game to watch Jayson Werth face Tim Wakefield, while Pujols and Sabathia are watching from the bench.

"i love this pickup.. phillies are complete idiots - they have a bunch of #4/#5 starters in their rotation - they lack the front end guy they could stick behind Hamels. Adding a fly-ball pitcher whose career looked over last year is a bad move, especially in that ballpark they play in."

Actually the Mets are the complete idiots. They have 2 men (3 until Redding was kicked to the pen) that are not even good enough to be number 5 starters for a major league baseball team. Pedro should still be a Met. He can still pitch, and be sure I will rub it in everybodys face when he shows it.

"Pedro should still be a Met. He can still pitch, and be sure I will rub it in everybodys face when he shows it."

No, he shouldn't. He's a batting practice pitcher. Let's see how he does against real major league hitters, not guys from the Netherlands or in the minors.

"No, he shouldn't. He's a batting practice pitcher. Let's see how he does against real major league hitters, not guys from the Netherlands or in the minors."

He's better than Tim Redding, and Fernando Nieve, and Russ Ortiz, and Bruce Chen, and Jon Garland, and a plethora of other guys who have rotation spots in MLB right now.

"He's better than Tim Redding, and Fernando Nieve, and Russ Ortiz, and Bruce Chen, and Jon Garland, and a plethora of other guys who have rotation spots in MLB right now."

That's not saying much. In fact, that's not saying anything at all. I would rather those guys over Pedro since you're going to get the same production and they're not brittle.

scribbletone,

you're gonna hate on me for this because it has nothing to do with numbers. just a feeling i have.

remember i had the same feeling last year around this time when i made up the screenname i have now.

The giants scare me. The dodgers need to do it in a big spot to prove it to me.

If the season ended today the phils would play the Giants in the NLDS and the Dodgers would play the Cards. That first round game scares me more than the second.

Against us, the dodgers rotation was better last year with Lowe than it is this year with Wolf. Again no one hit in that LCS but Manny. Maybe they prove me wrong and figure out how to hit in the clutch this year???

And i don't think it should be the fans or the manager's hands. My vote is for analysts. Give a vote to a writer for each team and a single broadcaster on each team and make a stipulation they can't vote for their own guys. Then you'll get what's fair.

"Again if Kemp had a problem with it maybe he should have gotten an RBI in the NLCS last year and if he wants to blame one single individual other than himself, it should be Broxton because Matt Stairs' homerun was the killer of that series and everyone knew what was coming."

Come on kid. This is a joke. You are WAYYYYYY better then that phils.

Posted by: nrmax88 | July 13, 2009 at 01:47 PM

haha. I'm not that much better than that but the point is that there have been years that the Phils starters haven't gotten in but deserved to and I wasn't biatching and complaining. Its the system. And it needs to be fixed.

Personally i'd rather have had Howard and others snubbed and be ticked off about it and take it out on the Marlins to start the 2nd half.

scribbletone,

oh come on now it was THE CUBS.

Also the cubs bats played right into the Dodgers hands (ie lefty/lefty)and mentally that team and city once it gets down has assumed they'll lose. Now that my team has won again I'm truly rooting for them to get off the 'schneid (sp) but I'll believe it when it happens which I assume is what many Cubs fans believe too.

As far as my reasons for liking the Giants over the Dodgers I also don't have that much faith in Broxton in a big spot if you must know. Not that i have more faith in Wilson but I also think you could easily see complete games in the NL playoffs by the Giants this year if they get there.

(on and don't let 55saveslives hear me talking good about the Giants. he may fall off his chair).

Do the Giants need more offense absolutely they do. But with Sandoval doing well and Rowand, Winn and Molina if they got another bat (Dye, Uggla) I would be a lot more worried about them than the Dodgers.

Ya the dodgers dominated the cubs but then an average rotation (with Hamels pitching lights out) and a solid bullpen totally shut them down. The ONLY ONE that hit was Manny and the Phils pitchers were totally in the Dodgers heads.

Again just one fan's opinion.

Who cares obviously the All Star game is a joke, as you mentioned fan balloting three weeks into the season...the fact that fans vote at all if just plain idiocy and further tarnishes what once was a rather prestigious honor of getting selected to the All Star game.

*****BREAKING NEWS*********
Pedro Martinez took a piss and left the bathroom without washing his hands!

NM wrote, "i love this pickup.. phillies are complete idiots"

trusting their so-called "baseball people" who've seen Pedro with their own eyes instead of trusting the judgment of a genius like you?

Wow, they really are idiots. No wonder they never win anything.

"Congrats on three great months, Pablo. Keep it up and there will be All Star appearances in your future. Meanwhile, please, please, please ask your fans to quit their whining."

It is the 2009 all star game. Not the 2008 second half game. Besides, the stats you used to prove your point mean nothing, aside from the homeruns. Matt Kemp has been worth almost as much as Shane and Werth put together this year. He really got snubbed. Kemp really should be a legit MVP candidate. He is 4th in the major leagues in WAR behind Albert, Utley, and Zobrist (who also should be a real MVP candidate, in fact, right now, he is the AL MVP, he has been worth a full win more then Longoria, just to put it in perspective).

Suzy, you are the first person on here which I had thought had a rather intelligent subscriber base who seems to think fan voting is a good thing..

"Suzy, you are the first person on here which I had thought had a rather intelligent subscriber base who seems to think fan voting is a good thing.."

Well, then you may need to go back to school and freshen up on your reading comprehension. No where did I state fan voting is a good thing. I am saying, since it is here, you cant criticize too much when players we voted for get replacements spots over players we didnt vote for. If two players have both produced strong numbers, and the fans voted heavily for them, then we cant complain too much when they make it in.

Sandoval and Kemp both had their shot in two votes, and two times they came up short. If they were so deserving and people wanted to see them so bad, then why didnt more people vote for them? Werth and Howard received tons of votes, and giving the people what they asked for cant be considered that "wrong".

I mean why not sign him? Can he possibly do any worse than what we have gotten from Moyer or anyone in the 5 slot this year? If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out, but we don't risk losing anything if we sign him.