Roy Halladay Rumors: Friday

I would love to see Halladay on the Rangers, but not see them overpay. Give them a catcher and Holland, who is only a 5 inning guy anyway from games I have seen him in and another lower tier prospect if Toronto would do it.

Since when is Halladay Injury prone?between this year and last year he just had 1 injury that he just came off off which was a mild groin pull. Before that he missed half a season once because the ball came off Mench's bat and broke Halladays leg. I mean wait of coarse he's injury prone...

Roy Halladay's innings pitched the last few years:

2002 - 239
2003 - 266
2004 - 133
2005 - 141 (line drive off shin)
2006 - 220
2007 - 225
2008 - 246

He missed time with a freak appendix situation a few years ago + a line drive off the shin.

How is that injury prone?

i dont even want halladay on the red sox. an injury prone 'what-if' guy? no thank you. I know hes the best, when healthy, but ill bet on a sure thing before the potential of 'what-if'

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You are clearly an idiot.

I think everyone on board will agree 04forever needs to never posts anything on the interwebs ever again.

The reality should be if they can't unload the contract of Wells, then they need to settle for nothing less than what the A's got for Haren.

If it was the Rangers, I'd say

Smoak, Main, Teagarden, Borbon, Ramirez and Boscan

if Phillies

Taylor, Drabek, Donald, Marson and Savery

You may think it sounds crazy but this is honestly the 2nd best pitcher in baseball and both teams are reeling.

i don't think that Halladay approves a trade to the rangers.

White Sox the wild card here.
Kenny can pull the trigger.
Fields,Anderson,Podera, and Richards for Doc, Wells and $.

philsWSchamps, do you think Taylor would be acceptable in the place of Brown?

Whoa some of these comments need to be clarified!

You are calling (SAPP) a future acee, he is 19 years old. Great k/IP numbers but it may be a little early to call him an ace. Actually don't remember seeing him on any baseball prospect list so he probably is not a top 100 player.

I did not say in the 5 player deal, both KNAPP AND DRABEK name.

Also to say Marson is playing lights out, he is hitting 291 with 1 HR and 21 RBIs almost half way through the season. I need a larger sample of production that 2.5 weeks.

Now Brown and Taylor are hard to argue, but Taylor is 2 years older than him. A 24 year old kid in AA might be a little bit to swallow.

"i dont even want halladay on the red sox. an injury prone 'what-if' guy? no thank you. I know hes the best, when healthy, but ill bet on a sure thing before the potential of 'what-if'"

Look...I agree that the Sox should not go after Halladay. It doesn't make sense to give up their top prospects for one guy that would just add to a rotation clog. While that is never a bad thing, you'd be giving up a ton of prospects to build an excess.

However, Halladay injury prone? LoL. No. His injuries have usually been freak accidents (eg: Mench's bat hitting him). Halladay is a basic lock for over 200 IP, usually even around tops in the league.

I wonder if any receiving team would look to extend Halladay's contract as part of a trade (as the Red Sox did with Schilling). It would make sense for Halladay, since it is hard to imagine his value increasing over the next 18 months; also for the Blue Jays, because a team ought to be willing to part with more of the farm system for extra years of Halladay. Some teams (Rangers, Brewers) would probably prefer a short-term rental, but this could make sense for a wealthy team that looks to compete most years (Phillies, Angels -- or maybe the Cardinals?).

Wow, Rangers getting Halladay, that would make their team just scary.

Though, that said, i think Texas realizes that they will never be able to sign an ace in free agency, so their only chance will be to trade for one or grow one.

Smoak, Teagarden, and Holland plus a longshot prospect would be a great return, but i can totally see Texas holding on to their guys and failing to contend for the next 5 years as well.

Thanks philsWS. I've been looking into Taylor & he certainly does seem impressive.

As for Drabek / Knapp, I've heard wonderful things about Knapp but I understand he's much younger(?)/ further away. Obviously I have no 1st hand knowledge but I would imagine that Drabek being further along in his development would be attractive in a Halladay trade. Don't know if thats sound thinking but uhh..yeah!

the Jonathan,

a potential future ace i believe is what i said. I've seen him 3 times in person and he at the end of one of his games he was hitting 96 on the gun with very good movement still. And technically he's still 18 for a bit and has done good enough that he should have been promoted to High A already.

Actually if you check the BA midseason report he was listed as in the top 50 although they didn't rank 26-50.

how about this. Marson is playing as lights out as Lars Anderson was doing for a while. In June he hit .313 and so far in July he's hitting .440 Again i'm not saying Marson is the centerpiece to the deal but more than just filler too.

I don't care much about age to be honest with you. Taylor has raked at every level he's been at and if he starts in the majors at 25 or 26 as I believe Utley and Howard did can you argue with their production becuase they started when they were older? Now I'm not saying Taylor will produce as much as Utley and Howard have but which would you rather have a productive player at 25-26 or a struggling player for 4 years at age 22 and then you lose him to FA when he's 29 so he goes then and plays for the Yankees or Red Sox? I'd rather give them the 34 year old Ryan Howard than the 29 year old version.

As for the Rangers not having money. I don't know how much I buy that. Ticket sales and Merch. should jump higher. Also by getting Halladay the playoffs would seem to be very likely meaning the Rangers will get millions more in gate receipts (yeah I know you can't always count on it, but it seems like a safe bet).

" no one was saying they should trade Beckett for Halladay straight up. Just that Halladay is really the better pitcher...and the numbers do support that."

Past numbers do, but wear and tear on arms is highly in favor of Beckett as is age.

You rarely see an ace traded for an ace and when you do, the results are very often disastrous for one team.. Case in point? How about Rcik Wise going to St. Louis in exchange for Steve Carlton to Philly in 1972. St. Louis got the rotten end of that ace trade.

"Beckett is a legit ace also, without the wear and tear on his arm and also, Halladay is not his old self these last 2 games"

Against TBay he pitched 7 strong with 8K's only giving up 3ER. Thats not bad. He's still recovering from a groin pull. If Halladay was on a team with the run producing power of Boston he would easily be a 15 game winner right now and have a better record then Beckett.

The big difference between Beckett and Halladay is that when Beckett is "not his old self" he can still win games with Boston's offense. Halladay has to be perfect everynight and often is.

Beckett on the BlueJays would be nothing more then a 500 pitcher. Halladay on the Red Sox, or Yankees for the matter, would be a Cy Young winner every year.

Match that with the fact that he throws 90 pitch complete games and you have a pitcher who will be healthy and dominant for a long time.

"Give them any two top prospects (one of holt, f-mart, flores), then 2-3 more prospects (niese, evans, kunz, etc)"

I can name about 10 teams that can put together a better package.

Fisrt of all it's Happ. J A Happ, not Knapp. Jeez you call yourself baseball fans. The phils are not going to get rid of the top prospect in Drebek. Also HAPP is a good deal to throw him in with some others, no one will touch marson, he's not that good.
and another thing, Halladay better not waste his talent playing for the perenially sh*tty team like the Mets

Drabek, Brown, Savery, Marson Donald.
Posted by: philsWSchamps |

As a Jays fan, that's pretty decent imo.

I'm telling you, someone is reading my posts and offering them as their own (joking). However, I made a proposal yesterday and the writer Newberg sounds like he read it before writing this article.

Halladay for Padilla, Blalock, Smoak, Perez, Teagrden and Borbon. Padilla's and Blalock's remainsing salary for 09 would cancel out Halladay's 2009 prorated salary. Padilla has a 2010 buyout for next year ($1.75 mil) and Blalock's salary slot, collectivelly would be replaced by Halladay's $15 mil 2010 salary. So basically the Rangers would have $16 coming off the books for 2010 and they just use that to pay Halladay's salary next year.

By accepting Padilla and Blalock in a trade for this year the Jays won't save any money from the Halladay trade this year but they get a much better prospect package and the money comes off the books at the end of this season thus saving them $15 mil in 2010.

The above is just like an NBA style trade including expiring contracts for good talent.

Fisrt of all it's Happ. J A Happ, not Knapp. Jeez you call yourself baseball fans. The phils are not going to get rid of the top prospect in Drebek. Also HAPP is a good deal to throw him in with some others, no one will touch marson, he's not that good.
and another thing, Halladay better not waste his talent playing for the perenially sh*tty team like the Mets

Posted by: Ched | July 10, 2009 at 12:34 PM

two different players there pal. There's JA Happ (currently playing for the ML club and Jason Knapp last year's 2nd round pick I believe that is around the league leaders of the SAL in strikeouts and should be in Clearwater already but for some strange reason they promoted Tyler Cloyd instead of KNAPP.

lol Ched looks like an idiot.

sounds useless, not a fan of the knapp character

Posted by: Ched | July 10, 2009 at 12:47 PM

ya who needs 18 year olds that throw 96 with good movement and already have average secondary pitches.

Ched are you a mets fan in disguise??

never a mets fan, just not that well informed of the phils farm system,outside of the iron pigs sorry about the happ, knapp mix-up.

Who is this Brown and Taylor that everyone is buzzin about

amaro has already said that the 3 "least touchable" players are brown, drabek and knapp. because of this, it is almost certain that he wont include more than 1 in a deal for halladay. he would possibly include taylor though.

Posted by: mooNy

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And the Jays have said, you better not mention the word 'untouchable' lol.

The Rangers don't need Halladay, he has not pitched very well at the Ballpark...he would have to pitch their 16 times a year... I would like to see them go after Justin Verlander, Zack Grienke, or Dan Haren with a good package of players.

Thanks philsWSchamps. There lines look great, how old is the kid on the Thrashers, looks fresh outta high school

ROFL
Wake up.

OMG i can't, can I?

Oh crap I'm a phillies fan yes i can!!

they actually include their dates of birth on the page there. He'll be 22 in September.

You'd hear a laugh, then a dial tone.

i don't think the Jays will except minors, i believe they will need a major leaguer also in the deal and i like Happ. what the hell throw kendrick in the deal as a gimmie

Posted by: Ched | July 10, 2009 at 01:14 PM

well crap for that let's give em Eaton and Jenkins too, we're still paying them right! If we're gonna be stupid let's go all the way to imbecile.

The last time I looked Detroit was almost at the bottom in minor league talent...they don't have enough talent to beat the Redsox, Yankee's, or the Ray's. The Royals have several holes and not enough budget.

I think that the Phillies have the best shot in getting him. They are the closest in going to the big dance...again...

theres no cash

Ched, you tried to make fun of us 'baseball fans', and you are suggesting sending over CASH to the Jays?
You are pretty clueless.

If the Jays trade with the Rangers i would hope Smoak would be the centerpiece. We almost have too much starting pitching, with a whole rotation on the DL.

Smoak though would be a great piece, and i think Rangers voice is right - aside from their top four guys (Smoak included in those) the rangers farm is pretty awesome.

Smoak and any two/three of (Borbon, Main, Beavan, Kiker, Ross, Beltre, Ramirez, Teagarden, Boscan) plus the usually filler guys that trades include would be an awesome return.

Smoak, Main and Beltre plus some infield prospect would be a pretty good return and who knows if the Phils would try and beat that. I'd think JP would need someone like Teagarden in there as well though since he's a more well known prospect so as to sell this to the fans as a definite step forward for the franchise.

The Jays and any other team in the league would nut themselves at having free pick at names like Borbon, Main, Beavan, Kiker, Ross, Beltre, Ramirez, Teagarden, Boscan, etc etc etc...

Posted by: rangersvoice | July 10, 2009 at 01:05 PM
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Not much of an offering here:

I like Teagarden and Borbon and included both in my package but Teagarden's bat is still questionable and Borbon profiles as a good CF w/ speed and not a high impact type player.

Boscan and Kiker are B level prospect.

The other guys...???

Ross the 2nd rnd pick out of HS who's only pitched 4 games of minor league baseball in SS A ball? Wayyyy to early to rate him.

Ramirez, the 24 yr old who's hitting .238/.308 @ AAA?

Main w/ the 7.33 ERA in 54 IP @ high A?

Beltre, the guy hitting .220/.272 who almost has more strikeouts (72) than hits (74) @ high A?

Beavan with the 5.65 ERA @ AA?

The Jays, I would think, are looking for more quality rather than quantity. 2 high end prospects (Smoak and Perez), an mlb ready C (Teagarden) and an additional solid prospect (Borbon) could get it done.

and with a name like Juiced i really hold your opinion near and dear to my heart. Take out the cash, problem solved

I really think that the Rangers need to wait another year...let the puppies grow...I can't see the Rangers beating the Yankees or Redsox..

I agree with you Rangervoice...but I would only offer two pitchers and two position players. But I would try to pry a younger dominate pitcher as in Verlander or Grienke.

Posted by: Armando | July 10, 2009 at 01:11 PM
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Hahaha....and the Tigers would trade their #1 starter because........????? Same question regarding Greinke...????? Greinke is signed at a below market rate of $9.5 mil thru 2012. Verlander is still under control for a few more years, is their #1 pitcher and the Tigers can afford to keep him if they want. Keep in mind that the only reason the Jays are dangling Halladay is because they question whether or not they can resign him after the 2010 season. The Tigers and ROyals don't have those concerns, at least not in the near future.

I understand this YanksFan, but...you and I know that that Royals and Tigers need more talent. The Tigers have basically run out of talent at the farm...and they still can't beat the Yankees or Redsox. Most teams can only make a run at the Yankees or Redsox once or twice in about eight year period and hope that the ball bounces their way.

But truthfully, I think that the Jays are asking way to much for Halladay. They know that their are only a couple of teams willing to make that deal. If they get to greedy, they will have a fire sale next summer and probably get lot less for him.

Maybe the Braves, but I don't know if they want him.

Why is no one picking up on the guy that has said to go after Greinke or Verlander?

Why the hell would their teams trade them?

Seriously. Why?

WSchamps,

I am not getting upset trust me. I am simply not going to let someone tell me that Lou Marson who is tied with Yovani Gallardo in HRs for the 2009 Season, is going to be anything less than the 3rd or 4th player off the list of Phillies Prospects.

Armando,

You should just know that anyone who has a Justin Smoak type elite level prospect can propose a trade for Halladay. Roy needs to approve it and so does J.P. but the Marlins can start with Stanton or Morrison, the Braves can start with Freeman, the Reds can start with Alonso, the Cubs can start with Vitters and so on.......

Yes, I understand..B3NG4L...but the time they get enough talent, they will be forced to trade..their #1 pitcher...lack of money...