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The Rangers And Roy Halladay
According to MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan, the Roy Halladay trade talks have reached the Rangers' clubhouse. The club in Texas has quite a few financial hurdles stemming from owner Tom Hicks' money issues, but that hasn't calmed the players' excitement at the possibility of landing the Toronto ace.
"I'd love to have him here," outfielder Marlon Byrd said Wednesday. "I don't know
what price it would take to get him, but I'd love to have him. We're a contender. Hopefully we're on his list."
"You always want people who you feel could help the ballclub,"
outfielder Josh Hamilton added. "It's not my decision to make, so I
don't know. But I want whatever would help this ballclub win games and
get to the postseason. I'll leave that decision up to the front
office."
As for the front office? "We're going to look to improve the club every way we can," general manager Jon Daniels told Sullivan. "I'll leave it at that."
It seems like a real long shot, unless the Rangers can dump salary. With Hicks looking to sell the team, it's hard to see how they could have $7MM available this season and $15.75MM open in 2010.
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He wouldn't wave his NTC to go to Texas. They just have way to many pitching question marks to really do damage if they made it to the playoffs.
Posted by: ChiSoxKilla23 | July 08, 2009 at 09:17 PM
The Rangers group of prospects is to me, far & away the most enticing in a deal for Halladay. Sadly, I think their financial woes prevents this from happening + I have a sneaking suspicion that Roy won't go to Texas. He's never fared well there & he's probably got some pretty bad memories of a Kevin Mench blast off his shin.
Posted by: deeselig | July 08, 2009 at 09:19 PM
Not to nitpick, but wouldn't it be more like 7 million this year given that the year is halfway over?
Posted by: AdropOFvenom | July 08, 2009 at 09:23 PM
Also is this article the write says the Blue Jays may "settle" for less than a teams top prospects.
NONSENSE.
Posted by: deeselig | July 08, 2009 at 09:24 PM
I do hope tho texas gets involved if anything because a texas vs phils bid war could be amazing for the jays. I've said it a few times now tho, while adding Halladay to the Rangers likely helps them make the playoffs. I don't know if it puts them in the the top 2 teams in the AL.
I think Doc wants a real solid shot at a world series and Philly + Doc creates a great chance for him.
Posted by: Devmac | July 08, 2009 at 09:25 PM
Wow! Amazing! The Rangers want to "improve"!!
Really? So does every other team in professional sports!
That being said, the Jay's are going to get a HUGE haul for Halladay. They will look for the best deal possible; they are on no one's time schedule. No matter what, they "win" (used loosely)
Fans love Halladay in Toronto, he sells tickets and picks up wins. They trade him, he gets a good haul of prospects.
Posted by: pskip13 | July 08, 2009 at 09:28 PM
Wow! Amazing! The Rangers want to "improve"!!
Really? So does every other team in professional sports!
That being said, the Jay's are going to get a HUGE haul for Halladay. They will look for the best deal possible; they are on no one's time schedule. No matter what, they "win" (used loosely)
Fans love Halladay in Toronto, he sells tickets and picks up wins. They trade him, he gets a good haul of prospects.
Posted by: pskip13 | July 08, 2009 at 09:28 PM
as much as i would like the rangers to make a run at Doc and keep him from the Phils, i dodnt see them getting him, given their situation
Posted by: phoenix88 | July 08, 2009 at 09:45 PM
I'm calling my shot!! Halladay for Smoak, Teagarden, Borbon and Perez!! Buyout Padilla's option and use Blalock's salary and that's $16 mil freed for 2010 to offset Halladay's $15 mil salary next year.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | July 08, 2009 at 10:02 PM
No chance ....YankeeFan....
Smoak yes... teagarden, Borbon decent but B prospects...
Need more than that... besides Jays have Arencibia in the minors so what does teagarden do ? If he was soo good he'd be starting right now
Posted by: cortez101 | July 08, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Now that we are calling shots...
Drabek
Taylor
Carasco
Knapp
Marson
If I am Philly I dump the farm... team is built for now...This could put them over the top... still don;t know if Jays do it though...
Carasco is suspect, Marson is overrated big time...
Posted by: cortez101 | July 08, 2009 at 10:14 PM
cortez, that would probably be one of, if not the best haul the Jays could get.
Posted by: s17 | July 08, 2009 at 10:35 PM
YanksFanSince78 -
As a Jays fan, I'd say that if we got that from the Rangers that I would be decently happy with that. Plus if the Rangers can find the money for Halladay// a sale happens quickly then that seems like something that could possibly happen.
I'm on this bandwagon.
Posted by: thenerbster | July 09, 2009 at 07:39 AM
i think any deal with the rangers would have to include andrus. the jays need a major league ready ss after this year. i doubt the rangers would want to part ways though
Posted by: Baseball@Europe | July 09, 2009 at 07:46 AM
The Rangers no doubt have an amazing pool of prospect talent... however picture this you're Roy Halladay best right handed pitcher in baseball you have a no trade clause.
YOU DO NOT waive that clause to go pitch in the sweltering Texas heat in a ball park that is known as a launch pad.
C'mon assuming he leaves Toronto he's either looking for a new home or to audition for FA, Texas doesn't help either case.
Posted by: OhPityMe | July 09, 2009 at 08:30 AM
I think Cliff Lee works better for Texas. He's cheaper (only 3 mil this year and 9 mil next year) and wouldn't cost as much in terms of prospects. Who knows if Texas can add that 12 mil in payroll over the next two years though.
Posted by: Alex Trebek | July 09, 2009 at 08:55 AM
Supposedly, Halladay is a ground ball pitcher, so why would Arlington scare him? Besides...Toronto: 9 games back...Texas: first place. Wouldn't you want to maybe get a chance to win a title?
As for a trade though, Daniels would be an idiot to trade guys like Hamilton, Teagarden, Smoak, Feliz or Holland away. Those are untouchable. If Toronto can't settle for whatever the Rangers would offer them, then Halladay is free to go to a team willing to mortgage their future for one guy who could burn out in his next start with a shoulder injury from all those innings he has been forced to throw for Toronto.
Posted by: MadmanTX | July 09, 2009 at 09:00 AM
MadmanTX, The Blue Jays will not "settle" for any of your teams scraps. Let's be clear. This is a top pitcher in all of baseball. There is no "settling" with the best player the organization has produced.
Texas can continue to muddle along, with whatever they're throwing on the hill & pray works out.
Posted by: deeselig | July 09, 2009 at 09:12 AM
Also, the Rangers are a good team, no denying that but let's be a little serious here - they're only in 1st place because they play in a cupcake division. Comparing the Jays status in their division to the AL West is beyond absurd.
Posted by: deeselig | July 09, 2009 at 09:16 AM
Your right on Lee plus for the right deal I'm sure Cleveland eats the rest of Lees contract this season and he is signed on the cheap for next season also at 9 mil that is nothing for a #1 / #2 type guy in the rotation.
But any Lee deal would have to start with Feliz or Holland as the center piece and I'm not sure the Rangers want to do that.
Feliz or Derrick Holland then include, Martin Perez, Matthew Lawson, and Erik Morrison or Matthew West
I think this type deal would net the Rangers Lee and his contract paid for the rest of this season. So Lee + 3 mil for the above
But we all know that the Blue Jays would want Feliz, Holland and Smoak, Ramirez just to start talks and the rumor they are looking for 6 ot 7 premium type prospect players in return for Halladay, ( plus don't forget Halladay has a full NO-TRADE Clause that he will want bought out before any deal is made).
Posted by: baseballnuts | July 09, 2009 at 09:24 AM
Smoak, Teagarden, Perez, and Borbon is way too much to give up for Texas, I know its going to take a boatload to get him but you are talking about three of the Rangers top four prospects right now and Teagarden who is an outstanding defensive catcher who hasnt had consistent playing time so his offensive stats right now hardly mean anything.
Posted by: JH32 | July 09, 2009 at 09:25 AM
The funny thing about the "cupcake" division is that every team has a winning record against the so-called AL "beast" except Oakland who is 12-12.
Posted by: angelsfan67 | July 09, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Hey, I hope like HECK the Angels beat the Red Sox every time they've matched up & it NEVER happens. I would love nothing more than to see it happen. But would the Texas Rangers or Angels come out on top of that division over the course of a full season if they had to play the Red Sox, Yanks & Rays all the time?
I have serious doubts about that.
Posted by: deeselig | July 09, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Feliz or Holland will no doubt have to be the basis of this deal, no doubt.
Posted by: baseball52 | July 09, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Texas has former first round picks who rank in the bottom of their top 10 or prospect list who would rank in another teams top 3; Blake Beavan, Kasey Kiker, Mike Main, Robbie Ross, etc. Texas could swing a deal for Halladay without including Smoak, Feliz, Holland, or Perez. The farm system for Texas is far and away the best in the majors and if they sign Purke and Scheppers from this years draft it will only be so much stronger. Basically, I think Toronto would be foolish not to except a package of Texas' second tier prospects because they would immediately be in Toronto's top 5.
Posted by: rjcnattc | July 09, 2009 at 12:37 PM
accept not except...sorry
Posted by: rjcnattc | July 09, 2009 at 12:40 PM
rjcnatt, that's ok. you can keep your entire system completely intact. none of those 2nd tier guys you mention are Top 50 prospects in baseball & therefore are insufficient for Roy Halladay.
Posted by: deeselig | July 09, 2009 at 01:04 PM
To get Halladay a team needs to give up a bonafide #1 starter of high quality, ie. Feliz, Holland, Drabek, etc...
Posted by: baseball52 | July 09, 2009 at 01:36 PM
to build off of what angelsfan67 said... the Rangers just got done sweeping the Rays. They went into Fenway and took two out of three. The Rangers did however drop 4 out of 6 to the Yanks... but with a Halladay-Millwood-Padilla 1-2-3 punch... That might not be the case come October.
thoughts?
Posted by: Optimus Dude | July 09, 2009 at 03:49 PM
Obviously you dont follow the rangers system.
Kiker just started the AA allstar game.
Beavan is 20 and doing very well in AA since his call up.
Ross has 4 plus pitches and has good command of each already.
That is before talking about guys like moreland, tim smith and arias.
This systems 20th could be most systems top 5.
Posted by: obagain | July 09, 2009 at 04:11 PM
Its not that hot here in Texas you are just all worthless and weak. I think it was 104 today...you get youst to the heat when your in it everyday. Oh and also you wanna add this bit of info Angels fans were 7-2 against you with 10 games to go in the season series
Posted by: Rangerfan | July 09, 2009 at 05:26 PM
Derek Lowe and Casey Kotchman for Nelson Cruz?
Posted by: MikeyBaseball | July 16, 2009 at 10:05 PM
I agree that Cliff Lee is the better option for the Rangers to pursue not because he is a better pitcher but because we would have to give the entire farm away to get Halladay.
Any deal that would involve Smoak, Holland, Feliz and Teagarden is a no go. The only major holes in the lineup are first base and catcher (ecluding pitching of course) Gotta wait to see who rises to the top between Chris Davis vs Smoak and also with Salty and Teagarden...
I would be willing to trade more 2nd tier prospects like Blake Beavin (although he is only 20 and has great stuff) and several others mentioned but not any of the guys I mentioned previously.
Posted by: maverick | July 27, 2009 at 02:46 PM