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Tigers Acquire Jarrod Washburn
The Tigers acquired pitcher Jarrod Washburn from the Mariners, according to Mike Salk of ESPN radio in Seattle. Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports agrees, saying the Mariners will get pitcher Luke French and another prospect. MLB Network tells us the other prospect is pitcher Mauricio Robles. Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse (via Twitter) suggests the Tigers may not be done. They'd like to add a hitter.
Washburn, a Scott Boras client and free agent after the season, projects as a Type B. If the Tigers offer arbitration to Washburn after the season and he signs elsewhere, they'll get a supplemental draft pick. The risk is that he could accept and the Tigers would owe him more than $10MM in 2010. Washburn has about $3.8MM left on his current contract, and the Tigers will presumably take all of that.
Washburn has a 2.64 ERA in 133 innings this year, so if he keeps it up to any extent he'll give the Tigers a strong front three with Justin Verlander and Edwin Jackson. The Tigers have a two-game lead over the Twins in the division, so every win counts.
SI's Jon Heyman reports that the Yankees are pessimistic about making a big move, with Washburn off the table.
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Who'd the M's get? It better be someone decent.
Posted by: RaiderBoSox | July 31, 2009 at 10:29 AM
This is great for the tigers, hopefully they didn't give up to much.
Posted by: GiantsBob | July 31, 2009 at 10:29 AM
sweet. hopefully this deadline is going to have a lot of deals.
Posted by: han-ram3 | July 31, 2009 at 10:29 AM
Washburn barely requires someone "decent"
Posted by: MNCubsFan | July 31, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Dave Dombrowski trying to acquire a fluke pitcher? This could get ugly.
Posted by: melonis rex | July 31, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Good to know Mike Salk wasn't at a loss for words or anything.
Posted by: JD | July 31, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Wow...people outside your bubbles...his era is under thats RIGHT under 3...he has been lights out...should I say even better then Felix. Just has not gotten the run support.
Posted by: Seattle_SportsFn | July 31, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Jarrod Washburn is not a fluke, he's had the absolute worst run of bullpen collapses and lack of run support in his career in Seattle.
I was hoping the M's would resign him.
Jack Z was big on Jeff Larish a few months ago, I wonder if he's in the deal. Maybe D-Train?
Posted by: TheAntiRecruiter | July 31, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Washburn barely requires someone "decent"
Posted by: MNCubsFan | July 31, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Not according to M's fans..according to them he is Sandy Koufax and Cy Young all rolled into one.
In the thread about the Yanks discussions with the M's, they seem to think Washburn was worth Joba, Hughes or Montero.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | July 31, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Neyer (I think it was) did a thing recently on how Washburn is likely neither as good as he looks this year (obviously) or as bad as people suppose he is. Some of his improvement this year is luck, but another huge chunk of it is going from having an abysmal defense behind him to a pretty good one.
If the Tigers can get him good defense, in that massive park, in that division, he will still probably come out league average (maybe better) even after his lucks returns to normal.
Posted by: Sour Bob | July 31, 2009 at 10:34 AM
i don't think he can sustain that all season. his era will rise back to normal (4.02 career ERA).
Posted by: MNCubsFan | July 31, 2009 at 10:34 AM
I bet we got magglio.
Posted by: Glebe | July 31, 2009 at 10:34 AM
I think this is a great pick up for the Tigers. Washburn has the 3rd best era in the league. With the addition of washburn the Tigers can send Porcello back down to the minors to get some more work in. They would have 2 lefties in the rotation. Then come playoffs its a 4 man rotation anyway. Verlander, Jackson, Washburn, Galarraga(who is finally coming around this season). Would be an excellent playoff rotation.
Posted by: Jason Poll | July 31, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Judging by some of the posters on this site, if the return isnt Rick orcello there will be rioting in the streets
Posted by: CosaOneNYC | July 31, 2009 at 10:36 AM
They get Luke French and another prospect.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875778/Source:-Tigers-agree-to-acquire-ace-Washburn
Posted by: BravesRed | July 31, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Can't say I saw that one coming, interested to see what they gave up for him if it's true.
As a White Sox fan, this is a big bummer.
This is a solid move on their part, although I would say that their bullpen is still suspect.
Waiting for details...
Posted by: bonzosa | July 31, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Hate to sound like JP Riccardi, but Jack Z must've been 'wowed' by whatever he got from Detroit because it seemed like Seattle would hold onto Washburn (8-6 2.64 ERA)
MLB Network: LHP Luke French and LHP Mauricio Robles.
Posted by: retiremikes31 | July 31, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Rick Porcello*
Posted by: CosaOneNYC | July 31, 2009 at 10:36 AM
who is luke french
Posted by: Glebe | July 31, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Washburn isn't as great as his ERA indicates, but he is better than he's been the last several years. He's changed the way he pitches fairly dramatically.
Posted by: blueandteal | July 31, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Wow, nice deal foe the Tigers and hopefully the Mariners. Even if Roy Halladay, Victor Martinez, or Adrian Gonzalez end up not getting traded, this has deffiently been one of the best trade deadlines in recent memory.
Posted by: metfan57 | July 31, 2009 at 10:36 AM
YYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSS! I called this one and theres proof yay yay yay i feel all warm and fuzzy inside wooopah!
Posted by: another sports fan | July 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM
luke french? I'm a Yanks fan..but after yesterday's requests for Joba, Hughes, Montero, this is the complete polar opposite of that request.
Bizarre..
One minute you couldn't pry Washburn away, next minute they send him for a #2 at Micky'ds
Posted by: TheDugout | July 31, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Washburn could be a good fit for Detroit. he gets to go to a big park and if he were to go there it push Detroit far past the twins and white sox. plus Verlander, Jackson, and Washburn is a pretty scary starting 3 once Detroit gets to the playoffs...
Posted by: another sports fan | July 30, 2009 at 01:05 PM
Posted by: another sports fan | July 31, 2009 at 10:39 AM
I said that! ay ayay ayayayayaya
Posted by: another sports fan | July 31, 2009 at 10:40 AM
Good fit for the Tigers. They needed a starter to slot behind Jackson and Verlander with Porcello struggling and/or getting worn out from a heavier workload. Washburn will slot in very nicely in the middle of the rotation.
Posted by: MattyMets | July 31, 2009 at 10:40 AM
Agreed @blueandteal.
Wash is pitching very well, hopefully for him he continues, but I just can't think he will sustain it..isn't the Tiger's pen just as bad? Though run support should be a bit better!
Posted by: MNCubsFan | July 31, 2009 at 10:40 AM
Agreed @blueandteal.
Wash is pitching very well, hopefully for him he continues, but I just can't think he will sustain it..isn't the Tiger's pen just as bad? Though run support should be a bit better!
Posted by: MNCubsFan | July 31, 2009 at 10:40 AM
Tigers win this trade by a nose, get a middle of pack starter whos having a hot year and they dont give up anything that painful to lose, good move.
Posted by: 04Forever | July 31, 2009 at 10:40 AM
Washburn could be a good fit for Detroit. he gets to go to a big park and if he were to go there it push Detroit far past the twins and white sox. plus Verlander, Jackson, and Washburn is a pretty scary starting 3 once Detroit gets to the playoffs...
Posted by: another sports fan | July 30, 2009 at 01:05 PM
Posted by: another sports fan | July 31, 2009 at 10:40 AM
Luke French and Mauricio Robles. French is on their 25 man roster I think, saw him earlier in the year, high 80's, low 90's, average stuff at best, a back end starter but somebody M's can use right now probably.
Robles seems to be a 20 year old high A starter. 5'10, 160 so he's not really a projectable guy. Haven't seen scouting report but big strikeout numbers with shaky command, maybe a reliever down the road?
Posted by: zs190 | July 31, 2009 at 10:40 AM
For more on Luke French, Jonathan Mayo is on MLB Network and knows these guys really well.
Posted by: retiremikes31 | July 31, 2009 at 10:40 AM
Is this a sign that the M's are giving in for the season? Washburn has been great this year for the M's. Beyond him and Felix, the rotation has been all that great.
Posted by: turnthe2 | July 31, 2009 at 10:41 AM
mariners are screwed now and who the hell are french and robles and are they even good
Posted by: mariner fan | July 31, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Yankeegirl and MNCubs - Great to see you can talk trash, and contribute nothing to the conversation.
It's clear that you are not familiar with Washburn.
Posted by: bonzosa | July 31, 2009 at 10:42 AM
So much for Detroit going out and getting a bat. Look for the Tigers to add an arm to the bullpen and be done for the day.
Does this mean the Ms will be looking to unload Branyan too, why not?
Posted by: 22erie | July 31, 2009 at 10:42 AM
what the...Luke French?
Posted by: Rob G | July 31, 2009 at 10:42 AM
wow this is a very good haul for only 2 months of Washburn
Posted by: Thee4stringking | July 31, 2009 at 10:42 AM
there building for the future..they know they won't win.
Posted by: Glebe | July 31, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Hahahah people were clamoring for either Joba or Montero from the Yankees and the M's end up with French and Robles?
Posted by: CosaOneNYC | July 31, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Yeah I just read about these guys. Well done Detroit. The M's got hosed....
This is one of those trades (as I now head into a meeting) that I'll be asking myself..
"what the f happened here"
Posted by: TheDugout | July 31, 2009 at 10:44 AM
I agree Dugout -Yankee fan here? very puzzling...they wanted Joba, Hughes or Montero from NYY but take these two clowns? wow!
Posted by: Rob G | July 31, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Does French project as a backend starter?
Posted by: bonzosa | July 31, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Bonzo...
I am very familiar with him, not just THIS season, but his whole career.
I was not talking any trash. I wanted the Yanks to get Washburn. Just not for a guy who is ranked #5 prospect in all of MLB or for one of 2 guys who are KEY parts to the team this year.
Washburn has been stellar this year, but to give up one of those 3 all under the age of 25 for 2 months..I will pass.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | July 31, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Ms are done this year.
The Joba talk from yesterday was ridiculous, both M's and Yankees fans are the worst about placing their players on pedastals, so that thread had disaster written all over it from the get-go.
I didn't think we'd get Joba for Wash, but thought we'd do a little better than this.
Well, chalk it up as a Wash and get ready to see a parade of prospects for the rest of the year. I hope Garret Olsen gets canned.
Posted by: TheAntiRecruiter | July 31, 2009 at 10:45 AM
@bonzosa -
I think this trade is fair. I think the people saying that the Ms "better get something good" are a bit off.
"In the thread about the Yanks discussions with the M's, they seem to think Washburn was worth Joba, Hughes or Montero." (yes - it was from a Yankee fan)
Posted by: MNCubsFan | July 31, 2009 at 10:45 AM
bonzosa just because he said the bullpen is just as bad required no need for you to get upset. its clear you dont understand how the english language works. he was making a point about his potential stats as a tiger so calm down and relax ok? its going to be a long day so just breathe.
I just dont understand the M's this deadline. Adding Jack wilson and Ian snell, then trading washburn. are they buyers AND sellers?
Posted by: han-ram3 | July 31, 2009 at 10:46 AM
God Yankee fans are stupid. If I was the Marniers' GM, I would ask for the world from the yankees too. They are the devil. The only good people to come out of the yankees, are Joe Torre, and Bernie Williams. And boy oh boy did they screw over those two.
But I guess Ignorance is bliss...Someone should tell Steinbreiner, Money cant buy you happeness or rings all the time.
Washburn barely requires someone "decent"
Posted by: MNCubsFan | July 31, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Not according to M's fans..according to them he is Sandy Koufax and Cy Young all rolled into one.
In the thread about the Yanks discussions with the M's, they seem to think Washburn was worth Joba, Hughes or Montero.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | July 31, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Posted by: Seattle_SportsFn | July 31, 2009 at 10:46 AM
yeah garret olsen looked terrible yesterday. Big morrow back up!
Posted by: Glebe | July 31, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Cashman would have handed over Zack, Ian and maybe a Miranda type for Washburn.
If anyone has the story as to what exactly went down at the last minute, I'd be interested in hearing it on this one.
Did Cashman call the M's management mothers names or what...
Posted by: TheDugout | July 31, 2009 at 10:47 AM
they know they aren't going to beat the angels or rangers
Posted by: cwalsh24 | July 31, 2009 at 10:49 AM
I am quite surprised. After the Wilson trade, I figured that the Ms were buyers and not sellers. What good did getting Wilson do to help you compete for the West division crown if you then trade your #2 starter two days later? They're already having issues with Bedard on the DL (thanks for that, BTW... the gift that keeps on giving), and now Washburn needs to be replaced. Mixed signals, Jack. You're sending mixed signals to your fans and that's never a good thing.
Posted by: mstrchef13 | July 31, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Washburn is not that good, they are lucky they got the haul they did.
he has a 2.64 ERA in a pitchers park without the best outfield defense in the majors.
You people are so kneejerky sometimes.
Posted by: Thee4stringking | July 31, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Nice move by DET. I wonder if Bill Smith is even out of bed yet.
Posted by: jhawk90 | July 31, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Wonderful trade!!!! Left handers fair very well at CoPa. It is good to see the Tigers finally get a good left hander. Luke French was half way decent but not a playoff caliber pitcher. With the 4 man playoff rotation, the tigers could utilize Porcello out of the bullpen come playoffs
Posted by: Jason Poll | July 31, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Mariners win this one.
Posted by: Chris00cm | July 31, 2009 at 10:50 AM
maybe it was the big f-you to the yankees? I would laugh so hard if that was what it was. although very unlikely
Posted by: han-ram3 | July 31, 2009 at 10:50 AM
^ you think
Posted by: TheDugout | July 31, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Its a Boras client in a contract year, of course he's going to put up good numbers. Then this off season he will get a big contract and probably poop the bed for the majority of said contract.
Posted by: xethicx | July 31, 2009 at 10:51 AM
I'm a yankee fan, i'm glad this happened. I can't believe some of you actually wanted him.
Posted by: Thee4stringking | July 31, 2009 at 10:52 AM
i agree that it is possible, but very highly unlikely.
Posted by: han-ram3 | July 31, 2009 at 10:52 AM
maybe it was the big f-you to the yankees? I would laugh so hard if that was what it was. although very unlikely
Posted by: han-ram3 | July 31, 2009 at 10:50 AM
I would laugh too...at any team that would make a deal just to give another team a big " f-you". That would be a wonderful way to run a ball club.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | July 31, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Great can't wait to see Mauer, Morneau and Kuebel T up of these Tigers!
Posted by: twinsd | July 31, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Does Washburn have an injury history?
I can't seem to remember accurately or find a good 'injury history' site.
Any one know either of the two?
Posted by: MNCubsFan | July 31, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Yank fans: First of all anything you read on rumors is just posturing by teams any info we hear before a deal is done is orchestrated for a reason. Like now cashman can say oh they wanted Hughes, Monetero etc but if yanks wanted him they coulda made an offer that topped Det's teams do not avoid yanks and take inferior packages
Posted by: tvators | July 31, 2009 at 10:55 AM
no, I Don't think he's been injuredd.
Posted by: Glebe | July 31, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Don't forget that Washburn is only a Type B Free Agent, so Seattle was just getting a sandwich pick. So these two players are probably better than any sandwich pick they would've gotten.
Posted by: retiremikes31 | July 31, 2009 at 10:57 AM
@hanram
Washburn barely requires someone "decent"
Posted by: MNCubsFan | July 31, 2009 at 10:30 AM
I was actually referring to the first comment, I agree with the bullpen comment. I haven't been refreshing 30 times a minute, will try to reference comments directly.
Posted by: bonzosa | July 31, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Mariners front office = SUCKERS
Posted by: Reg | July 31, 2009 at 11:01 AM
I tried to clarify my "decent" comment.
I honestly don't think "barely requires" is right..he definitely requires a decent haul and that's what they got.
A decent French and a high A ball shot at a good arm.
Posted by: MNCubsFan | July 31, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Yanks, don't be bitter just because you couldn't land him. You guys sure were wringing your hands over someone so crappy. Spoiled little brats.
Posted by: TikiDoll | July 31, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Mariners fans look at this as just a "thank god they didn't trade him to the Yankees" because they don't really know what it's like to win. (Yes, I know you won the 116 games, but how did those playoffs turn out when you met the Yanks? That's right.) It's sad when your interest in sports is based on hate for other teams rather than love for your own.
The Yankees probably wanted to make a deal in which they didn't take on any of Washburn's salary, but they weren't willing to part with the prospects to make up for that. The Tigers are probably taking on the salary. That's why this deal makes sense for the Mariners.
Posted by: TonyYanksFan | July 31, 2009 at 11:02 AM
would you rater have that or a sandwich pick or a huge contract?
I will take French and a guy with more K's than IP in A ball.
Posted by: MNCubsFan | July 31, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Yanks, don't be bitter just because you couldn't land him. You guys sure were wringing your hands over someone so crappy. Spoiled little brats.
Posted by: TikiDoll | July 31, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Yes, we are all crying because the first place team we root for didn't mortgage the future to fill the #5 starter spot..which is all they are looking to do.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | July 31, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Does Washburn have an injury history?
I can't seem to remember accurately or find a good 'injury history' site.
Any one know either of the two?
Posted by: MNCubsFan | July 31, 2009 at 10:55 AM
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There was a report that his knee was so hurt that he could barely walk inbetween starts and he has back problems
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlesports/archives/172320.asp
Posted by: CosaOneNYC | July 31, 2009 at 11:06 AM
@MNCubsfan
Yeah, I see that, I don't think our views are that far apart after all.
Nothing personal...
Posted by: bonzosa | July 31, 2009 at 11:08 AM
hey yankeegirl, you guys have mortgaged your future before, why stop now? and I loved how the yankees asked the royals to pay the $870k left on bannister's contract. you can shell out 500 mil this offseason but 870k is too much. now come at me with a comeback about how the yankees have 26 championships or some of that blabber that makes the yankees fans the worst in the world.
Posted by: han-ram3 | July 31, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Most underrated pitcher in trade talks. Washburn has been putting together an amazing season. Great move by the Tigers. I was hoping the Dodgers would move on him if they couldn't manage to get Halladay.
... can we have Edwin Jackson back? ;)
Posted by: dodgersdan | July 31, 2009 at 11:09 AM
I wouldn't take it personal either way :)
Thanks for the injury stuff people!
Posted by: MNCubsFan | July 31, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Mariners fans look at this as just a "thank god they didn't trade him to the Yankees" because they don't really know what it's like to win. (Yes, I know you won the 116 games, but how did those playoffs turn out when you met the Yanks? That's right.) It's sad when your interest in sports is based on hate for other teams rather than love for your own.
The Yankees probably wanted to make a deal in which they didn't take on any of Washburn's salary, but they weren't willing to part with the prospects to make up for that. The Tigers are probably taking on the salary. That's why this deal makes sense for the Mariners.
Posted by: TonyYanksFan | July 31, 2009 at 11:02 AM
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Get off your high horse! Yankees fans seem to be under this impression that the only thing that anyone should do is bow down to anything Yankees. I dont even know why there is a Yankee fan here talking about a trade that his team couldnt even get! Goes to show how much arrogant Yankees fans are. Ill give you this, you have won a world series congrats. The fact that you believe that we only exist to hate the Yankees shows how single minded, arrogant, self indulging pricks most Yankees Fans are. But hey, thats only my opinion, but you know what they say about those right?
Posted by: Bavasi t(^.^)t | July 31, 2009 at 11:11 AM
I'm sure most other teams around the league have an informal yankees tax. Given two roughly equivalent offers teams are going to choose the non-yankee offer.
The check (in those cases where the only true fits are in the trading teams own division) to make sure a tax is in place is right up the street a little bit.
Posted by: Garrett | July 31, 2009 at 11:15 AM
hey tony? how did those playoffs turn for you in the world series in 2001? oh thats right you come out with no WS title...just like in 02, and in 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08...
and let me stop you on your next comeback: youre not winning in 09 unless you win a couple games against the red sox and angels. cant win in the big games is that it?
Posted by: han-ram3 | July 31, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Hey han-ram
I find it comical how when the Yanks trade their young guys for big names guys like you point out how they have no farm and no home grown talent. When they hold onto their young guys then we hear stuff like you posted above.
I like everyone else here am a fan, I dont know why they didnt want to take on Bannister's contract, nor do you. I like to think the people making the decisions for the team I root for know more than I do and certainly know more than a bunch of people posting on message boards.
In the meantime, I dont need to talk about 26. Right now the Yanks are in 1st place..without Washburn and without Bannister. All I can do is hope they stay there.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | July 31, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Does Washburn have an injury history?
I can't seem to remember accurately or find a good 'injury history' site.
Any one know either of the two?
Posted by: MNCubsFan | July 31, 2009 at 10:55 AM
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No he has just been a below average nobody for most of his career.
Anyone that tells me otherwise is wrong...
Since he came to the big leagues in 1998, he has had ONE, count em ONE good year before this year and that was 2002. And he has also been on some pretty good teams so there's no excuse aside from the fact that he really isnt a very good pitcher.
Posted by: xethicx | July 31, 2009 at 11:16 AM
yankee girl the only stat i need to give you is that they are 0 for the season against the red sox...how does that feel? you didnt even beat them once!
Posted by: han-ram3 | July 31, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Seems like Mariners didn't have much leverage - looks like they weren't going to risk offering Washburn arbitration, so they weren't going to get any compensation at all. French and Robles is better than nothing.
Posted by: Jim T | July 31, 2009 at 11:20 AM
han-ram3 put a sock in it...
your argument of the Yanks losing 8 to the Sox has no basis to it. They are still in the lead by 2.5 games so it's a bit of a moot point.
Posted by: TheDugout | July 31, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Washburn was the most overrated pitcher in baseball. Why would anyone at all care that the mariners traded him away. They get some possible studs in return. How stupid to even consider signing Jarrod Washburn in 2010. Mariner fans don't know anything about talent and their announcer's are the most bias anywhere.
Posted by: andyodds | July 31, 2009 at 11:21 AM
hey tony? how did those playoffs turn for you in the world series in 2001? oh thats right you come out with no WS title...just like in 02, and in 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08...
and let me stop you on your next comeback: youre not winning in 09 unless you win a couple games against the red sox and angels. cant win in the big games is that it?
Posted by: han-ram3 | July 31, 2009 at 11:15 AM
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Lol a whole 9 years without a World Series, its hilarious thats an insult. Talk to Cubs, Indians Brewers fans etc
Posted by: CosaOneNYC | July 31, 2009 at 11:21 AM
"The Yankees probably wanted to make a deal in which they didn't take on any of Washburn's salary, but they weren't willing to part with the prospects to make up for that."
This is not just addressed to you but any of the other Yankees' fans in the thread who've commented on this:
When people bring up the point that Seattle asked for one of Chamberlain, Hughes, or possibly Montero, it's because in a negotiation, you ask for the moon, but don't really expect to get it and ask for something a little lower in value in your next offer.
Also, outside of those 3 young players(Chamberlain and Hughes not really being prospects) and maybe Austin Jackson, the Yankees' system is especially weak.
i.e. So while I agree that asking for the big names like Chamberlain, Hughes, Montero, or even Austin Jackson was too much, prospects more in line with Washburn's value are few and far between in the Yankees' system--have you heard about how Andrew Brackmann is doing lately? Seriously, go Google it and read the dire reports for yourselves.
Posted by: StarryEyed | July 31, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Han Ram..VERY VERY poor comeback
They are STILL 2 1/2 games ahead of the team they havent beaten, what does that tell you?
Here is a little baseball lesson for you:
They play the Sox 18x, they play everyone else 144x. I would much rather them continue to beat everyone else at the pace they have been than worry about the 8 games they lost to the Sox. Maybe the Sox need to learn to beat all those other teams.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | July 31, 2009 at 11:24 AM
xethicx, Washburn has a career ERA+ of 110. That makes him better than "a below average nobody" and shows he's obviously been above average more times than not.
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No, if anything actually a career record of 106-106 with a career era of 4.02 and a career K/9 of 5.3 is EXACTLY average.
Explain to me how he has ever been better than average. Also, while youre at it, explain to me how he could have possibly turned in losing records with the Angels teams that he was a part of? Those were some great teams.
Posted by: xethicx | July 31, 2009 at 11:25 AM
but here is what is going to happen, the red sox are going to aquire one of vmart, halladay, ar AGonz, and the yankees will panic and force a trade that they overpay for. unless it happens right at 4 pm, then well, they are screwed.
In all seriousness, yankee fans put so much pressure on their players. there is a reason why a-rod, one of the greatest hitters of the game today, hits under 200 in the postseason. I hate the yankees but seriously just relax with the pressure and you guys could be the force you have always been. look at the late 90's, 3 straight at one point and wasnt it 4 out of 5 years? i dont have stats on that but im sure very few teams have done that. If you dont win this year with that monster team, that is really the only issue.
Posted by: han-ram3 | July 31, 2009 at 11:27 AM
hey tony? how did those playoffs turn for you in the world series in 2001? oh thats right you come out with no WS title...just like in 02, and in 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08...
and let me stop you on your next comeback: youre not winning in 09 unless you win a couple games against the red sox and angels. cant win in the big games is that it?
Posted by: han-ram3 | July 31, 2009 at 11:15 AM
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Lol a whole 9 years without a World Series, its hilarious thats an insult. Talk to Cubs, Indians Brewers fans etc
Posted by: CosaOneNYC | July 31, 2009 at 11:21 AM
LOL...I had forgotten the rules of discussion when talking about the Yanks. Yank fans are NEVER allowed to talk about what they have won, but everyone else is always free to talk about when they didn't win.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | July 31, 2009 at 11:28 AM
And about the mariners bullpen blowing it for Jarrod Washburn; The Seattle Mariners bullpen has been Captain Fantastic. And this year the mariner's have a real bullpen coach. Why doesn't Washburn and all the overrated pitcher's of nowaday's try pitching nine inning's instead of taking all the glory for 5-7 inning's.
Posted by: andyodds | July 31, 2009 at 11:29 AM
I LOVE THIS TRADE!!!!
We turn the overachieving rental Washburn into a look-alike flyball lefty (our park loves those) who is actually under contract next year, PLUS a prospect?
THANK YOU JACK Z!! WE FINALLY HAVE A FRONT OFFICE!
Posted by: SeattleStew | July 31, 2009 at 11:32 AM
"The Yankees probably wanted to make a deal in which they didn't take on any of Washburn's salary, but they weren't willing to part with the prospects to make up for that."
This is not just addressed to you but any of the other Yankees' fans in the thread who've commented on this:
When people bring up the point that Seattle asked for one of Chamberlain, Hughes, or possibly Montero, it's because in a negotiation, you ask for the moon, but don't really expect to get it and ask for something a little lower in value in your next offer.
Also, outside of those 3 young players(Chamberlain and Hughes not really being prospects) and maybe Austin Jackson, the Yankees' system is especially weak.
i.e. So while I agree that asking for the big names like Chamberlain, Hughes, Montero, or even Austin Jackson was too much, prospects more in line with Washburn's value are few and far between in the Yankees' system--have you heard about how Andrew Brackmann is doing lately? Seriously, go Google it and read the dire reports for yourselves.
Posted by: StarryEyed | July 31, 2009 at 11:22 AM
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The Yankees have a middle of the pack system at this point but its not weak its average. Since Hughes, Chamberlain are no longer prospects and Kennedy is hurt, that took a good amount of talent off the top remember those guys are 23 years old not 26-27.Off the top of my head Montero, Jackson, Romine, Vizcaino,Melancon, Nova, McAlister, DeLa Rosa, Higashioka, Richardson, Sosa Deleon, and Flores are all prospects with potential.
Posted by: CosaOneNYC | July 31, 2009 at 11:33 AM
StarryEyed..
You are right and any team can ask for anything they want.
Its the fans that thought one of those 3 AND another prospect was a fair deal that I was referring to.
And besides the guys you mentioned there are other guys that are not "especially weak". Not all MLB ready, but certainly not week. Mcallister, Betances, Romaine and Melancon to name a few.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | July 31, 2009 at 11:33 AM
This is a great haul for Washburn.
I am going to come out and say it, Jarrod is not that great. Yes, he has improved a little from last year with the 2 seam fastball he has added, but he has been aided soooo much from the Mariners outstanding outfield D. Michael Saunder alone saved 3-4 runs with defense in Wash's last start.
Luke French is Washburn 2.0. He can step in and pitch just as good, and I don't feel the M's will miss a beat. Plus they got Robles, who is a massive K guy in A ball, and has some great upside.
Jack Z knows whats up. GO Z! GO M'S!
Posted by: SwarzakGuy40 | July 31, 2009 at 11:34 AM
LOL...I had forgotten the rules of discussion when talking about the Yanks. Yank fans are NEVER allowed to talk about what they have won, but everyone else is always free to talk about when they didn't win.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | July 31, 2009 at 11:28 AM
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Im not sure why this was directed at me, seeing as how I agree with you.
Posted by: CosaOneNYC | July 31, 2009 at 11:36 AM