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Brad Penny Rumors: Thursday
10:24pm: Olney reports that the Rockies will not pursue Penny this season.
4:29pm: Olney notes that Penny can decline any waiver claim. This essentially gives him the chance to assure himself free agency. Becoming a free agent would mean forfeiting the chance to earn the incentives on his contract.
3:37pm: The Yankees claimed Brad Penny earlier in August, only to see the Red Sox pull him back, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney.
3:19pm: Troy Renck of the Denver Post notes that it's becoming increasingly unlikely that the Rockies will add Brad Penny. Some people within the organization believe he'd help, but others are concerned that he would not fit it. Tracy Ringolsby of Inside the Rockies first reported that the Rockies weren't likely to add Penny this morning.
2:20pm: Joe Christensen of the Mineapolis Star-Tribune hears that the Twins would consider claiming Penny off release waivers and taking on the rest of his salary instead of waiting for him to become a free agent.
2:16pm: George A. King III of the New York Post hears that the Yankees have interest in Penny. The Yanks haven't heard anything to suggest Penny promised the Red Sox he wouldn't sign with an AL contender. Johnny Damon says he'd like the Yankees to add Penny.
1:16pm: ESPN.com's Buster Olney confirms that the Rockies, Giants and Marlins are interested in Penny. None of those teams are likely to claim him before Monday, because they would have to take on the remainder of his salary to do so. If they wait until Penny clears waivers, he'll cost less than $100k.
12:01pm: Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports hears from one GM who believes Brad Penny "absolutely should go back to the National League" once he can sign with the team of his choice on Monday. "He's stupid if he stays in the AL," the GM adds.
Rosenthal says Penny makes sense for the Rockies, Giants and Marlins. The Dodgers could use him, but Rosenthal doubts Penny would re-join the team. Penny will cost less than $100k, because his incentives are negated once he's released.
And here's a roundup of the rumors we've already heard about Penny today:
- The Marlins are interested.
- The Rockies are interested.
- Penny may have assured the Red Sox that he won't sign with an AL contender.
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"Penny may have assured the Red Sox that he won't sign with an AL contender"
It doesn't say that in the linked article quoted.
My guess would be Rockies, Angels, Giants, in that order.
Posted by: A | August 27, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Im hoping he signs with the Rays we stil have 6 games with them.
Posted by: Cyyoung | August 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Olney speculated that in the actual ESPN article, A.
At any rate, I agree that Penny's insane if he stays in the AL. He really makes a lot of sense for the Rockies or Marlins, and right now, with the Rockies in better playoff shape, my money's on Colorado.
It'll be interesting to see if this version of Penny can handle pitching in Coors. Then again, if Josh Fogg can put up respectable numbers there, I guess anyone can.
Posted by: MorneauVP | August 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Why wouldn't he want to go back to the Dodgers? He is familiar with the team, the division and they are contenders who need pitching.
It looks like Penny is better in the NL. He has spent his career there and the AL hasn't treated him too well.
Posted by: Jeff Levy | August 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Jeff, do you remember how Penny's run with the Dodgers ended?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/09/brad-penny-nowh.html
That's why he won't go back.
Posted by: MorneauVP | August 27, 2009 at 12:25 PM
I think the Red Sox would want to face Penny often.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | August 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Nobody in LA wants Penny back. I don't know why anybody would, tell the truth. His best hope of remaining in the game is to accept a reliever role, which clearly he is not prepared to do. The fact that he still sees himself as an effective starter is the problem.
Posted by: BlueSky | August 27, 2009 at 12:46 PM
could he pitch well in wrigley? I know the cubs are practically out of it, but if they want to show the fans they are still trying to win, picking up Penny for a back of a rotation guy would make since, esp with how cheap he is..
Posted by: Mikey Roederer | August 27, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Penny will probably go to the winner of the Giants-Rockies series this weekend.
Penny has to be intrigued by the Giants ballpark and a chance to play for the Dodgers rival.
If the Giants lose 2 of 3 this weekend though, he will likely go to the Rockies to make sure he goes to the postseason. As a pending free agent though, pitching in Coors Field might not be the best idea.
Posted by: Giants34 | August 27, 2009 at 12:59 PM
As a Dodgers fan, I can say with 100% certainty that Penny will not return to the team. He's a fat bum, a quitter, and I'd say the Dodgers would make Barry Bonds feel more welcome than Penny.
Posted by: vtadave | August 27, 2009 at 12:59 PM
I gotta say it, but Penny to the Rockies doesn't make sense, even with Cook's injury. We have some good in-house options like Jhoulys Chacin, Esmil Rogers, Sam Deduno, Bradnon Hynick that will come up when the rosters expand next week. Also,the Rockies have an off day this week so they can skip Fogg's start and wait for the rookies. Heck, if they wanted to, they could even try to get Morales to start again if it were necessary. Why would the Rockies want to waste a 40 man roster spot on some homer-prone washed up veteran?
Posted by: bballrox4717 | August 27, 2009 at 01:06 PM
So who does Penny replace? He's far worse than all of Harden, Lilly, Zambrano, Dempster, and Wells.
Posted by: vtadave | August 27, 2009 at 01:06 PM
""He's stupid if he stays in the AL," the GM adds."
I like it how the NL is just universally regarded as the weaker league now.
Posted by: PL | August 27, 2009 at 01:40 PM
in Colorado his ERA might become worse... he knows how to pitch in Florida 3.88ERA.....Giant's ballpark will help extremely in lowering his ERA and plus they need pitching since bullpen is getting tired and Martinez is an IF in the bullpen...Lincecum & Cain need one more post-season experience arm and Penny might be the one...
i think the these teams have the best chance of landin him
1. Rockies (Aaron Cook DL)
2. Marlins
3. Giants
Posted by: Giants rulez | August 27, 2009 at 01:43 PM
"I like it how the NL is just universally regarded as the weaker league now."
It's not something you even need to think about or justify, it just "is" I guess.
When Penny signed with Boston a lot of us Dodger fans who know the guy warned about his (1) over-reliance on one pitch, (2) his lack of effectiveness late in the season, and (3) his disinterest in accepting a bullpen assignment. Funny how all that turned out to be true. Now some GM is talking about how he needs to return to the NL to become an effective starter again? As if he was when he left the NL?
Posted by: BlueSky | August 27, 2009 at 01:53 PM
Some people are way to quick to jump on the "look at his ERA" bandwagon. ERA is fairly useless when judging talent, and his actual ability suggests something in the Average range. Average in the AL plays much better in the NL though, so a team like San Francisco or Florida stands a chance to get a nice little boost for the stretch. If I was Colorado I might be a tad concerned with the rising FB and decreasing GB ratio, but it still isnt extreme so over short term it might work out fine.
Posted by: SuzysMan | August 27, 2009 at 02:19 PM
Damon should shut the heck up. What a loser.
Posted by: terry180 | August 27, 2009 at 02:29 PM
I have a gut feeling he's going to the Giants but I really hope he's going to the Cardinals as their #5 starter while Lohse is on the DL and Smoltz remains their #4 guy. But I think either Boggs or maybe even Brad Thompson might be a better option for us at this point.
Posted by: crebmann2013 | August 27, 2009 at 03:03 PM
The Rockies Will Pick Penny Just Like They Did With Rusty Ortiz And Giambi
Posted by: Ryan | August 27, 2009 at 03:24 PM
Do You Know The One Thing That The Rockies, Jason Giambi, Russ Ortiz, Brad Penny Have In Common
!!! THEY SUCK !!!
So Yes The Rockies Will Pick Up Penny
Posted by: Ryan | August 27, 2009 at 03:25 PM
I also think that this is what the Cardinals lineup looks like pending these things happen in the offseason:
1. Ludwick acepts arbitration
2. Pineiro leaves St. Louis (hopefully not, though)
3. Big Mo gets more cash to spend
4. Holliday is re-signed
5. Smoltz is re-signed
6. Trever Miller is re-signed
7. Wainwright is extended
8. Glaus, Ankiel, DeRosa, LaRue, Wellemeyer and Greene don't come back
9. The Redbirds sign Chone Figgins
10. we call up Joe Mather and Shane Robinson to be backup outfielders
11. we sign a backup catcher like Gregg Zaun or Toby Hall to lighten Molina's workload
12. we sign a utility infielder like Mark Loretta to fill in occasionally
Pending on all of that happening, this is what the Cardinals lineup looks like:
C: Yadier Molina
1B: Albert Pujols
2B: Brendan Ryan/Skip Schumaker
SS: Julio Lugo/Brendan Ryan
3B: Chone Figgins
LF: Matt Holliday
CF: Colby Rasmus
RF: Ryan Ludwick
Bench: Gregg Zaun/Toby Hall, Mark Loretta, Joe Mather, Shane Robinson
Pitching Staff:
SP1: Chris Carpenter
SP2: Adam Wainwright
SP3: Kyle Lohse
SP4: John Smoltz
SP5: Jaime Garcia/Mitchell Boggs
LR: Brad Thompson
MR: Mitchell Boggs
MR: Dennys Reyes
Lefty: Trever Miller
SU: Jason Motte
CL: Ryan Franklin
Posted by: crebmann2013 | August 27, 2009 at 03:30 PM
wouldnt you rather have derosa instead of loretta? still would be nice to see derosa in pinstripes next year cuz i see the outfield being weak if we have melky, A-jax and swish
Posted by: FMbaseball25 | August 27, 2009 at 03:48 PM
Doesn't Colorado seem like just about the least realistic place for Penny to land? They just spent the last couple of seasons retooling their rotation with guys who get more ground balls. So what they need at Coors Field is a guy who throws nothing but fastballs? Doh!
Posted by: BlueSky | August 27, 2009 at 04:07 PM
Doesn't Colorado seem like just about the least realistic place for Penny to land? They just spent the last couple of seasons retooling their rotation with guys who get more ground balls. So what they need at Coors Field is a guy who throws nothing but fastballs? Doh!
Posted by: BlueSky | August 27, 2009 at 04:07 PM
um...his ERA in Flordia is extremley misleading. He pitched in Florida when he was a top 20 pitcher in the majors. He didnt have his 30lbs beer belly.
and SuzyzMan, you obviously havent seen Penny. He WAS a top 20-30 pitcher, but now is simply not. he is overweight, doesnt care about the team or stretch run, and only uses his fastball. His ERA is a very good tool, because he isnt being unlucky... he just doesnt have it
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | August 27, 2009 at 06:00 PM
``You mean the same guy who was never on time, out of shape and has one complete game? He has more stuff to worry about in the A.L. East than me. He has to worry about getting people out. He was never on time, was out of shape and never helped the kids out. Put that on the (expletive) dot-com. Put it in the headline.''
``He never watched the game (when he was on the DL). Jason Schmidt watched the games. Nomar Garciaparra watched the games. Mark Sweeney watched the games. You go right down the line, everybody who was on the DL watched the games. But not him. He was out of there.''
``I'm in everybody's corner when they work. When they're lazy and don't work. I could give a (well, you get the picture).''
Posted by: Larry Bowa | August 27, 2009 at 06:57 PM
"and SuzyzMan, you obviously havent seen Penny. He WAS a top 20-30 pitcher, but now is simply not. he is overweight, doesnt care about the team or stretch run, and only uses his fastball. His ERA is a very good tool, because he isnt being unlucky... he just doesnt have it"
His BB rate, K rate and inturn of course BB/K are all nearly identical to his career normal. He is 1 HR off the average HR/9 mark and his 4.48 FIP is league average as well (which is the level I claimed he was pitching at). His hit totals are up solely because of a .336 BAbip, but something about the poor fielding of Lugu and Green says this is understandable.
Dodger fans, possibly rightly so, take issues with (and shots at) him - it doesnt mean he hasnt been a rather average pitcher this season though. He has.
Posted by: SuzysMan | August 27, 2009 at 07:23 PM
People can say what they want about Penny but he can't be any worse than Mitre or Gaudin. Who knows?
Posted by: Tim | August 27, 2009 at 08:41 PM
MY stance is this. You can't teach a pitcher to throw 95-98 mph but you can teach a pitcher to throw (or improve) on his offspeed pitches. IF Penny can somehow find 1 offspeed pitch and locate it on a regular basis then he can be of use to someone, maybe even the Yanks.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 27, 2009 at 09:17 PM
I think the Giants are gonna sign Penny now
we need a #5 starter badly because J-Mart is not getting it done
I'm not sure how much of an upgrade Penny would be though
Posted by: Bleacher_bum_SF | August 27, 2009 at 10:42 PM
boy am I glad i saved that bag of balls the phils were going to trade for Penny.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | August 27, 2009 at 11:20 PM
"MY stance is this. You can't teach a pitcher to throw 95-98 mph but you can teach a pitcher to throw (or improve) on his offspeed pitches."
If only it was that easy. We in LA watched him lose command of his breaking pitches, often late in the season, and each time fall back on fastballs, with disastrous results. It's not like he never had other pitches -- he would not have made it this far otherwise. We also watched him struggle with his mechanics. I think Penny is finished if he's not willing to accept a bullpen assignment, and since he's not willing to accept a bullpen assignment, I think he's finished.
Posted by: BlueSky | August 27, 2009 at 11:46 PM
MY stance is this. You can't teach a pitcher to throw 95-98 mph but you can teach a pitcher to throw (or improve) on his offspeed pitches. IF Penny can somehow find 1 offspeed pitch and locate it on a regular basis then he can be of use to someone, maybe even the Yanks.''
your correct. You cant teach a 95MPH fastball. you are either blessed with that or not. You can teach an offspeed pitch... but only if they are willing to learn. Penny still thinks he is a top 20 pitcher and isnt willing to learn or work. If he did... he could still be useful... but not with his attitude
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | August 28, 2009 at 01:16 AM
OMG please sign with the Yankees! It will give you your best shot at a ring. The Yanks should sign him, like the Rockies did Giambi, to a minor league deal and bring him up when we expand the roster. It would give the Yankees an upgrade over Gaudin and Mitre and it would give Penny two weeks or so to get healthy and situated for a post season run. He's by far the best and cheapest option the Yankees have to add a rotation member. I always wanted CC as a Yankee. We got him. I always wanted Penny and he went to the Sox. Now we get another shot at him. I hope it happens. Its a win win because if he's horrible we can just cut him. If he doesn't he'd be an upgrade at out #5 spot in the rotation. And as a #4 or #5 pitcher he wont get as much use or have as much pressure as he has in the past and even earlier this year in Boston when he was needed to be a front of the rotation guy. Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte, Joba, Penny is a championship rotation.
Posted by: gianthinker | August 28, 2009 at 02:39 AM
you are*
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | August 28, 2009 at 03:11 AM
gianthinker.... i dont think many Yankee fans would agree with you.. at no point this year was he asked to be a front of the rotation starter with Boston..
amazing how he had no value on the Sox but suddenly now he would be a great pick up.. lol
Posted by: Adam | August 28, 2009 at 06:50 AM
I'm so glad Johnny Damon gave his thoughts on this matter. I love how the media always gets Damon's thoughts on a Red Sox transaction. Note to the media, we don't miss Damon & have won a World Series without him. He belongs with the Yankees and am happy he's getting what he wants. Time to move on....4 years later!!
Posted by: redsoxn8tion | August 28, 2009 at 07:34 AM
I missed the part where Damon said something bad about the Red Sox. What is the big deal that he complimented Penny?
Adam, I think the point is that the Yankees could wait until Penny cleared waivers, pick him up for under $100K, and see if they can coax any value out of him, unlike the Sox who ended him wasting millions on him.
Posted by: Jeremy | August 28, 2009 at 07:48 AM
Damon need to shut the hell up and pray that Yankees gonna pick him up for next year or not...
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