Hoyer To Become Padres GM

Yea, he's so incompetent that the best front office in baseball has hired him within weeks of leaving the Jays. He's so incompetent that the Sox tried to get him as their GM before they got Esptein. The delusions of the blind haters continues to amaze.

Didn't Tim do a GM profile on JP in the past year. Would be good to get a realistic breakdown of his pro's and cons. Toronto has some good pitching development but its been outweighed by horrible contracts and JP's ineptitude with the press.

Those horrible contracts were all perfectly reasonable at the time they were signed, even the Wells one. You can check the reactions right on this site by checking the archives. The only reason they keep getting brought up is that he had to dump them before they expired. Other teams don't have to do that. They can write it off and keep spending.

Why Boston wants anything to do with Riccardi is odd. Can understand Towers if Hoyer makes a move, but Riccardi is of -0- use.

First I just want to point out that Riccardi is a absolute jerk who was "lapped" by Tampa Bay in his supposed build up to a competitive franchise. All the bad contracts and other moves arent even the worst problem.

For some unknown reason he decided to call Adam Dunn's work ethic into question last year. For the record he had never met Adam Dunn or even spoken to him so apparently he completely made it up. I my opinion that guy is an absolute jerk who should have been fired that day.

Being a Yankee and Nats fan (and now an Adam Dunn fan), I hope the Redsox hire him.

Ricciardi may not be cut out to be a GM but that doesn't mean he's useless in a front office. His ego seemed to get in the way as a GM but being out of the spotlight and working behind strong personalities in the Red Sox front office may just put him in his place and get him back to being useful instead of being a GM who doesn't know when to shut up.

Also, I assume with Hoyer going to San Diego that makes a Gonzalez trade a little more likely.

Posted by: Bretwk | October 23, 2009 at 03:22 PM

I think it would make a trade easier due to Hoyers knowledge of BOS's lower levels but it doesn't neccessarily making a trade more likely.

"I suspect that ethical, informal, preliminary discussions have already taken place between Hoyer and Theo, and that Hoyer has already picked KT's brain. "

I don't think Hoyer would be considered for the job if the Pads brass though he was going to give away players and run the team into the ground. That said I do think it's good news for the Red Sox if they want to land Gonzalez simply because Hoyer knows the farm system first hand, he knows exactly who he'd want. Of course that also means if he says no deal without Casey Kelly then he means it.

That said, congrats Hoyer.

"I think Hoyer to the Red Sox makes any Gonzalez trade more difficult.

Hoyer cannot be seen to have given Red Sox any discount, and would need any story on the trade to say the Padres have a HUGE haul of prospects and the Red Sox have drastically overpaid."
good point quintjs
i also think it could make it easier only because if hoyer truly believes in the young prospects in te sox farm, he can demand the right prospects in a deal
that said I think this comes down to whether or not theo wants to give up those prospects and I think he should prospects aren't proven and may be good down the road but with a guy like a-gon I think u give those young guys up

All you guys thinking Hoyer will be worried about the "backlash" of the crazy Padres fans (sarcasm, if you can't notice) are wrong. Hoyer is a very young and good baseball mind. Those types of GM's are usually the ones arrogant enough to not care about fan reaction. You guys honestly think that if he thinks he is getting fair value for Gonzalez he wouldn't go it because of fan reactions on sites like this one? It's not like the Padres have a huge fan following right now anyways. Remember, this guy was in on sending Hanley Ramirez out of Boston, I don't think he will be the least bit scared to make a move he believes in. This reminds me of when everyone said Scott Pioli and Belichick wouldn't make a deal for Matt Cassel. It is a different sport, but throughout sports you can see time and time again deals being made between former co-workers.

personally, i don't think any backlash is holding up a deal, as much as the padres not having any other scary hitters, and the failure of any boston package to provide one. there is very rarely such a thing as a can't miss prospect at A/AA, and i don't think the red sox names are on that level to fully reassure padres management that a huge hitter is well on the way. in other words, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush...

i think most who followed the team closely this year see an emerging core that can actually compete next year provided we get adrian some semblance of protection and bring in maybe one reliable vet SP. trading adrian would completely undermine any hope for 2010, and SD fans are about as excited at this prospect as fans of BOS, NYY, CHC, etc would be. we just traded peavy after all.

an open question to anyone who cares to explain this phenomenon, why is the concept of "padre fans" so funny to bos/nyy fans (among others)?

I know, it's a different sport, but a young GM/Coach coming in and trading a young franchise player near his prime right away seems to be working out terribly for Josh McDaniels.

Jed Hoyer will do what is best for the Padres. His advantage is that he knows everyone in the stacked Sox system as well as Theo. He will only trade AGon if he is convinced that the haul from the Sox improves the team quickly now and in the future. He must also know that AGon and the current level of talent in SD won't compete this year.

The Padres need backup at 3b due to Kouz' health. Will that be Lowrie, or even Lowell with the Sox eating much of his contract? Could Kottaras or Brown or Exposito improve their catching? They need OF help. Could his be Reddick or Kalish who would be brilliant at Petco? They need a top SP & RP. Buchholz, Bowden, Bard, Gonzalez, Ramirez and MDC would dominate in the ALW, and thrive at Petco. Would AGon bring Buchholz, Bowden, MDC, Lowrie/Lowell, Kalish, Kottaras? That would be Theo's decision, but any Pads fan who complained about a haul remotely as good as that just likes to complain.

"I think Hoyer to the Red Sox makes any Gonzalez trade more difficult.

Hoyer cannot be seen to have given Red Sox any discount, and would need any story on the trade to say the Padres have a HUGE haul of prospects and the Red Sox have drastically overpaid."

Zero chance.

THere's a saying in sports "don't listen to the fans, or you'll be one of them." Sure, PR is why a lot of contracts and deals get made, but they're never good ones.

For the same reasons people have said a deal could be eaiser, it also could be harder. For instance, maybe Hoyer really isn't that high on any Sox prospects, let alone some hidden gems. The common assumption is that he likes them. Well, maybe he does to a point. But does he "trade Adrian" like them?

Then the reason bjsguess pointed out, that they see eye to eye on too many players. And what I think is the most likely, that Hoyer simply doesn't think he can get back enough talent to replace Gonzalez.

To me, the only question left is - Boston and San Diego o realize they can hire GMs from other teams, right?

"Jed Hoyer will do what is best for the Padres. His advantage is that he knows everyone in the stacked Sox system as well as Theo. He will only trade AGon if he is convinced that the haul from the Sox improves the team quickly now and in the future. He must also know that AGon and the current level of talent in SD won't compete this year.

The Padres need backup at 3b due to Kouz' health. Will that be Lowrie, or even Lowell with the Sox eating much of his contract? Could Kottaras or Brown or Exposito improve their catching? They need OF help. Could his be Reddick or Kalish who would be brilliant at Petco? They need a top SP & RP. Buchholz, Bowden, Bard, Gonzalez, Ramirez and MDC would dominate in the ALW, and thrive at Petco. Would AGon bring Buchholz, Bowden, MDC, Lowrie/Lowell, Kalish, Kottaras? That would be Theo's decision, but any Pads fan who complained about a haul remotely as good as that just likes to complain.

Posted by: gerald troy | October 23, 2009 at 10:16 PM"

Kouz has bad health? He missed two and a half weeks in September for some minor issue. Otherwise he was quite healthy the remainder of the season. And even if he weren't healthy, the Padres have Chase Headley. He's a third baseman that was thrown into the outfield. Headley improved his hitting as the season wore on. And since he had not played much third base since his days in double AA, he committed a good amount of defensive miscues in his return there this year.

Why would the Padres be interested in Lowell?

I sure hope this Hoyer guy knows more about the Padres than other Bostonians seem too. Wow.

As far as Gonzalez going to Boston is concerned, I'm amenable to that as long as equal talent is returned. It will have to be an overpayment though.

Because the Padres do not need to unload Gonzalez at all, his contract is VERY Padres-friendly, the Red Sox or whomever expresses interest, simply must overpay. Keep in mind that Gonzalez signed this very management friendly contract after achieving success as a player. In other words, he took the SD discount once. Why not again? He grew up in San Diego and loves it here.

Double Wow, ghh. Read it again. "Jed Hoyer will do what is best for the Padres. His advantage (in this trade) is that he knows everyone in the Sox stacked farm system as well as Theo". Further, I would expect Theo to be more generous with Jed, in order to move AGon, than with other managers. Nothing stupid, just the potential for an edge.

Last I heard, the FO was still worried about Kouz' health and looking for some left side insurance. You would take Headley's bat and glove over Lowell's or Lowrie's, even if you don't have to. Whatever, I was merely suggesting the high caliber of MLB players and prospects that AGon could return to SD.

IMO, chowdah summed it up best. "the Pads should take advantage of Hoyers inside knowledge of the Sox system & get a good haul for Gonzo now."

Despite all the recent promotions to 'the Show' from the Sox farm, it remains among he best, with MLB players and prospects who could seriously help the Padres. The Padres need such talent to quickly contend in the ALW. The Red Sox, with AGon, would continue to compete in the ALE. That's a win-win.

"How about we utilize our 1st basemen here, and get a young catcher, who has a lot of upside."

That was the focus last off-season, and they wanted Buchholz.

The Sox could re-open the Saltalamacchia talks and see if Texas takes less. Texas really should not hope for Buchholz after the way Clay finished and Saltalamacchia's .233/.290/.371 season...

Here we go with the mentoring again, these guys are all major league catchers, is he going to mentor them to hit .209? Throw out 9% of baserunners, no thanks.

gerald troy please stop. Your Red Sox homerism is killing me.

dtogo, who on here isn't a homer? Now here's homerism. Chowdah talks about Exposito. He got to AA by the end of the year where, in 92AB he hit .337/.371/.489/.860 with 3HR, 12RBI, 14R. However, he managed 4BB vs 27K's and 3E's. Not a bad month's work.

And if the Sox are smart, they will move Tek, one of the best catchers in the game for a long time, into a player-coach role to mentor/teach/train the several catchers in the farm. Finally, dtogo, I still think Salty and Monty have very bright futures.