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Discussion: Pedro Feliz

At the moment, the Phillies have more important things to worry about than Pedro Feliz's option. Like scoring some runs and shutting down the Yankees. But once the season ends, they'll have to decide whether to pick up their third baseman's 2010 option. 

The defending World Champions can choose to pay Feliz $5MM in 2010 or buy him out for $500K. According to FanGraphs, Feliz has been worth $5-7MM each of the last two seasons, largely because of his defense. Though he has never won a Gold Glove, the Dominican is widely considered an elite defender. UZR/150 still likes his defense, though the metric suggests Feliz isn't nearly as skilled with the glove as he was a few seasons ago.

But Feliz doesn't add much value offensively. In fact, he hasn't had an OPS higher than .717 since 2004. He hit .266/.308/.386 this season with 12 homers and 44 extra base hits. Give Feliz credit for his durability, though - he's played at least 130 games for each of the last six seasons.

If the Phillies decide to turn down Feliz's option, they could try to trade for Dan Uggla, Kevin Kouzmanoff, Garrett Atkins, or one of the other third basemen who could hit the trade market. Free agents like Adrian Beltre and Chone Figgins could appeal to GM Ruben Amaro Jr., and so could more affordable players like Juan Uribe.

Tonight's discussion question is a simple one: should the Phillies pick up Feliz's option? Or should they spend the money elsewhere and let the third baseman walk?


Comments

Never really thought about Figgins to the Phillies. Not sure what how Jimmy Rollins would like sliding down in the line-up but Figgins would fit very nicely at the top of that line-up

I'm not a Philly fan but from what I've seen in the WS, they'd probably be smart to pick up his option. I think at worst, he'd be a very reliable bench guy. Can he play any other positions besides third? I don't see any of the FA 3B signing for $5M or less but maybe Beltre could improve in the NL.

pick up the option ,its not to bad for him and instead of getting a free agent that you dont really need use that money to lock up cliff lee

Personall think u should have waited till this matters. After the series

The series is over.

I personally will not talk about anything Philly until the series btw them and the Yankees are over and they are no longer personal enemy number one. When the series is over is when i would suggest realistic improvements for their team, until they they can go screw it.

$5 mil for a .386 slugging percentage is ludicrous. Buy him out, try to trade for a better 3B, and sign Feliz for $1.5-2 mil if the market doesn't yield a good trade.

Can't see the marlins trading Uggla to anyone in their own division. Theres plenty of other teams in need of second baseman like the Dodgers.

By the way, Feliz will likely be an unranked FA, so the Phils won't stand to gain anything by offering him Arb even if they turn down the option. Also because he'd likely make $5MM at least in arb.

Turn down the option and sign Adrian Beltre.

Beltre's glove is better, and his power should be restored playing in the smaller ball park. He would also give the Phillies a strong right handed bat in the lefty heavy lineup.

Not really sure what the financial situation is in Philly, but I don't see any reason to mess with the team they have right now other than the bullpen. They'd be making a mistake to trade away their prospects at this point and need to spend money on pitching. It's not like him being bad offensively is hurting the team.

sorry, meant to say don't spend money unless it is on pitching.

Melvin Mora could be a good fit.

Hahaha NOW they're picking up that option!

feliz must have read your article between innings... nice shot just now.

. is all i have to say ... THANK YOU TIM !!!!!!!!!!!!!! CMON MAN whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy did you have to provoke positive innuendo toward Feliz?

THAT BOMB SURE HELPED HIM OUT!

Haha, forget Jimmy Rollins, Ben, YOU are baseball's prophet.

I think they'd pick up the option, anyway.

Back to the game.

I think Feliz is terrific defensively but at the plate he has been a HUGE disappointment in 2 years here(and as I write this he ties the game with a HR). I personally would LOVE to see Figgens in Philly. His game is perfect for this lineup. You could slide Rollins down further in the lineup to have some speed behind Ibanez as well as a switch hitter that would protect Ibanez in the later innings. The Phillies have a LOT of money under payroll next season (especially after their 2nd straight WS appearance). I would love to see them lock up Lee but he is going to want a longer deal then the Phillies typically give (4 years).

Now Joba is gonna tell the Yankees to go sign Feliz at 7 years at $20 million per.

Forget Feliz... the word is "AROD"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Way to be Lidge, way to be.

Is it me or am I the only person on here that thought they should have walked arod? I told my friend as soon as tex got on that he better walk arod. I mean he is having his best post season in his career but they pitched to him anyway. I honestly would rather face Posada with the pressure on him than Arod. I'm not a phils fan, braves fan rooting for the phillies but wth... and I mean yes posada got a hit afterwards but obviously there is no added pressure on him to come through if he doesn't and the fact that Lidge had him down in the count i believe 1-2.

Don't touch that option with a 10 foot pole. That is overpaying by a good $2m.

I like the Beltre idea. Figgins is very interesting as well. You would have a lot of range on the left side and Figgins speed/OBP skills would go well with the team.

Even if you want Feliz back decline the option and work on a few deal that is aligned with the market.

Heh. Dropping Pedro Feliz to pick up Juan Uribe at 3B.

I'd definitely give serious thought to declining the option and investigating Figgins or Beltre, though Beltre is probably first of the two.

Sign him, re-align the batting order, and toss out something like...

Victorino
Werth
Utley
Howard
Werth
Ibanez
Beltre
Rollins
Ruiz

That's be swell. Obviously, Rollins and his ego wouldn't allow a 7-hole season, so that's a pipe dream.

^is the NL getting a DH and Werth will be allowed to hit twice in the line-up?

anyways, i'm confused with it.
Utley hitting 2nd or what?

I didn't know Dan Uggla was a 3Bman? According to my check, he hasn't played a single game at any other position besides 2B, and the Phillies already have a guy at 2B. Did Uggla play 3B in AAA or something?

Pick up the option, there is no gurantee that they'll get anything better in FA for the money. There are enough bats in the lineup to sustain him and his good glove.

Uggla has long been rumored to move to 3rd base because his defense at 2nd is not good, and his bat is good enough to play at third.

Despite the home run tonight (hell, I knew Joba was going to throw a hittable fastball), I don't think the Phillies should pick up Feliz's option.

Beltre, Figgins, Kouzmanoff (assuming his offense would play up some in a new park), maybe Tejada, and a guy I find interesting as a 3rd base project in Felipe Lopez (slightly below average UZR at 2nd Base, promising UZR/150 at 3rd in a limited sample) would all be better options there than Feliz. Beltre the obvious best of the bunch on both sides of the ball.

Kouzmanoff seems like the logical choice for me. I hope my Marlins try to get him, but that is unlikely. He should win the gold glove this year, but probably won't since he plays in San Diego. And I think his bat would light up in Citizen Banks Park. Petco is too big for him.

If this were almost any other team, I'm buy him out and look for an upgrade, but given how much firepower the Phills offense already has I don't think picking up the option would be the worst thing in the world for Philly to do. Although they may want to buy it out anyway and try and sign him to something cheaper.

last night aside - he has been as close to an automatic out as a non-pitcher gets. I'd decline the option but maybe try to sign him for something a whole let less. I can't see anyone out there paying him $5M -if they do let him walk. I just wish we could develop a 3B instead of having stop gaps.

Pick up the option not much out their on the market that would warrant such a move. I rather wait for some real good hitting 3B out there.

The Boston Celtics resigned Rajon Rondo to a 5 year 55 million dollar extension. I dont care about baseball anymore since the yanks are going to win it all.

let him walk and sign chone figgins... figgins can walk faster than feliz can run and johnny damon stays at second base and the phillies win.

trade ryan howard for some halfway decent pitching behind cliff lee and sign carlos delgado, adam laroche or nick johnson to play 1b... oh and get a real closer (bring billy wagner back?)

figgins 3b
victorino cf
j-roll ss
utley 2b
werth rf
ibanez lf
delgado, johnson or laroche 1b
ruiz c

I think that exercising the option is probably a bit of an overpayment, but not an awful move for a team with their payroll. He's a plus defender at third base, but a liability offensively, he once had good power, but that's declined over the years, leaving him as a hitter with a ton of holes in his swing and declining bat speed.

I would probably decline the option, see if he'll sign for $2-3M, and otherwise I would pursue Beltre.

Accepting the option wouldn't be the worst move though, the Phillies have a dynamite defensive infield with Utley, Rollins, Feliz and Howard.

It's tough when your third baseman hits so little but I guess if any NL offense can live with it it's the Phillies. If his glove makes him worth the contract and if they don't have to have the offensive upgrade then they should probably bring him back.

No way I bring him back. He's been a complete offensive disappointment. After averaging aboutm whatm 25 HR a year in SF, he's hit under 20 here both years. His defense is pristine but we need more pop at 3B.

Everyone talks about our offense being able to absorb his terrible #'s, but wuth him in the lineup it's a 5-man batting order. No need to pitch to #6 hitter with Feliz, Ruiz and pitcher coming up. It's a miracle Ibanez hit 30+ HR.

Figgins would be my choice but I xould live with Beltre. Also would not be surprised to see them move Howard for a legit #1-2 SP.

Wow, brain cramp there. Swap Beltre with the second Werth in my lineup and bump the bottom up. Utley stays #3, Werth 2, Beltre 5

I'm for trading for Brandon Wood of the Angels. He is still young enough age wise and service time wise to be worth the price. See if the Angels will take Werth for Wood+ and turn to the Blue Jays about Hamels and Happ for Halladay.

After game 4, no way they don't pick up his option. He's staying in Philly.

I think Feliz is way overrated in defense. I really don't get why people keep calling him the best in the league. I'm a Giants fan and watched him forever in SF, seen him play way more than most Phillies fans probably have. He has an accurate arm, and charges the ball better than most, other than that he's not that good. Not a great arm, which is helpful for a 3B, and has awful range, maybe even worse that AROD has last night. He's a freeswinger who insists on swinging at the first pitch no matter what the situation. He's a good teammate, but not worth 5mil. I would say, buy him out, try to sign him for 2 mil, spend money on locking down Lee. Lee will make a much bigger difference than Feliz

I agree.

But get this: trade for Mat Gamel of the Brewers. In one or two seasons, he'll be an all-star.

Feliz is okay. He's the Alex Gonzalez of 3B. Good with the glove, declining range, and hits just well enough that you won't bench him. With that said, I would dump him and grab Beltre. I think he's a great fit and the Phillies competition for his services will mainly be from smaller market teams that they can easily outbid.

I don't see why you'd get Figgins instead of Beltre. Firstly, Beltre is better defensively. Considerably. Secondly, Beltre hits for more power. While he's been absolutely stiffled in Safeco, his power could translate better in Philly. At the very least, it won't translate first.

Also, the Phillies already have two guys who are just like Figgins- Rollins and Victorino. How many fast guys who hit for contact do you need? A: Two. Leadoff and 2nd hole. Figgins would not help run scoring much as you'd end up with a lighter hitting guy in the bottom of the order.

Also, on Gamel- he may be a star at the plate in 2 years but he will not be a good defender by then. He will at best be passable. It's fine to say he's nice, but I think an NL team would be crazy to trade for him. No DH spot to fall back on.

Cleveland should try to pick him up, Hafner is on a sharp decline and has never been healthy and they seem to have a good working relationship with the Brewers.

IMO: It's either pick up the option or go with Figgins or Gamel. NO UGGLA. We have enough power and K's for two teams. A solid contact hitter would be great, or a speedster like Figgins would lead to a:

Rollins
Figgins
Utley
Howard
Werth
Ibanez
Victorino
Ruiz

Line-Up, which is pretty sick. Plus, Figgins can play 2nd to give Utley days off. I bet Rube will go after him. Especially, if he can't lock up Lee, Werth, or Victorino for years to come.

"trade ryan howard for some halfway decent pitching behind cliff lee and sign carlos delgado, adam laroche or nick johnson to play 1b... oh and get a real closer (bring billy wagner back?)"

Your joking right? If they trade Howard, it better be for Lincecum, Porcello, Kershaw, or King Felix. End of story.

I would like the Phillies to pick up Pedro's contract and concentrate on the bullpen. Pedro is one of the games top defensive 3rd basemen and did have a .266 batting average which is not great but decent, but his defense makes up for it. I would like the Phillies to concentrate on some depth for the bench and late inning relief.


I think this is a no-brainer. Feliz has been everything the Phillies have hoped for. They knew what they were getting with his inconsistent bat, and he always provides solid defense. I'd be happy to keep Feliz for 5M. They cant spend 10M at every position and Feliz is more than adequate.

no more feliz i would love to see kouzmanoff and if you want to question his d im pretty sure he had the best fielding percentage of all3rd basemen

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