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By Tim Dierkes [November 1, 2009 at 6:03pm CST]
Next up in our Trade Market series, third basemen. Click here to see our take on the free agent market for the position.
- Dan Uggla, Marlins. Uggla is a second baseman, so we discussed him here. He last played third base for the '05 Tennessee Smokies, for what it's worth. If a team acquired him and asked him to switch, he wouldn't have much of a choice.
- Jorge Cantu, Marlins. Cantu had an entry in our first basemen post, but he did log 355 innings at the hot corner this year and 1066.6 last year. His defense at third base left much to be desired.
- Kevin Kouzmanoff, Padres. How valuable is Kouzmanoff? The 28-year-hit .255/.302/.420 this year in 573 plate appearances after a similar offensive line last year. He's solid defensively, according to UZR/150. Kouzmanoff will be arbitration-eligible for the first time this winter, so his salary should jump into the $3-4MM range. That he's a competent third baseman gives him value, but teams may not be jumping to add his .300 OBP.
- Mark Teahen, Royals. Teahen, 28, hit .271/.325/.408 this year while playing third base, right field, and a little bit of first and second base. His defense has not rated well lately. Since Teahen is due a raise on this year's $3.575MM salary, he's a non-tender candidate.
- Mat Gamel, Brewers. Casey McGehee will be the Brewers' starting third baseman next year, and Gamel won't be moved to the outfield. What's more, Brewers assistant GM Gord Ash admitted last month that the team might have to take some risks and consider trading top prospects. Put it all together, and Gamel might be traded for pitching this winter. The 24-year-old has yet to really crush Triple A pitching; he hit .278/.367/.473 in 320 plate appearances this year. He struggled defensively at third base in the minors.
- Neil Walker, Pirates. Walker is currently playing winter ball; he hopes to steal Andy LaRoche's at-bats at third base in 2010 before Pedro Alvarez arrives. Walker complained in August that he wasn't one of Neal Huntington's guys, though he was called up weeks later. He hit .264/.311/.480 in his second full season at Triple A.
- Brandon Wood, Angels. Wood was named in our shortstops post, but he's spent time at third base in his career.
- Garrett Atkins, Rockies. Atkins is highly likely to be non-tendered after earning $7.05MM this year. If there's a team willing to give the Rockies a useful player and pay Atkins a similar amount in 2010, he will be traded. Count on the non-tender.
- Ramon Vazquez, Pirates. Vazquez didn't play much third base this year, but did get 1073.3 innings there in 2007-08 for the Rangers. He's set to earn $2MM next year and is coming off a .230/.335/.279 performance.
- Jose Bautista, Blue Jays. Bautista, 29, hit .235/.349/.408 in 404 plate appearances this year while playing third base, left field, right field, and even a few games in center. He continued to crush lefties and defend well. He earned $2.4MM this year and it wouldn't be a mistake to tender him a contract. Maybe the Jays will shop Bautista or Edwin Encarnacion, or maybe they'll stand pat since Alex Rios won't be with the club in 2010.
- Josh Fields, White Sox. Fields, 27 in December, hit .222/.301/.347 in 268 plate appearances this year. He hoped for a trade deadline deal, but it didn't happen.
Thank you for not being a total moron and putting David Wright on this list.
Posted by: diehardmets | November 01, 2009 at 06:06 PM
Yeah that was a nice comment.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | November 01, 2009 at 06:07 PM
Just a suggestion but i have heard Michael Young's name brought up in many cases. Similar situation to Uggla where he may be asked to change positions but as of now ... Young counts toward being a 3B. Many teams have expressed interest including the Red Sox for SS purposes and potentially the Mets and Dodgers.
Posted by: SouvenirCityBaby | November 01, 2009 at 06:09 PM
"Just a suggestion but i have heard Michael Young's name brought up in many cases."
I don't see how that makes sense at all for the Rangers unless they had a young 3B prospect in the wings.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | November 01, 2009 at 06:17 PM
Geez, not much value there. I think the Brewers will be sorry. McGehee is bad defensively, and I doubt he will put up similar offensive numbers next season.
Posted by: rememberthecoop | November 01, 2009 at 06:19 PM
I would love it if the Phillies went after Gamel or Wood if the price wasn't too high.
Posted by: worldchamps08 | November 01, 2009 at 06:21 PM
I think it is interesting that Kouzmanoff is listed here and not Chase Hundley.
In San Diego, a common debate is "who should we keep?" Does Tim think Headley is not tradeable? Or that the Padres should keep him and trade Kouzmanoff?
Posted by: truthlemonade | November 01, 2009 at 06:21 PM
Oops, that's Chase Headley, not Hundley.
Posted by: truthlemonade | November 01, 2009 at 06:21 PM
Good point about Headley, guess I lean Kouz because he's more expensive and I've seen him named in rumors.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | November 01, 2009 at 06:24 PM
I can sort of see Brandon Wood being a part of the Angels trying to trade for Roy Halladay. With the large number of FA's the Angels have this year, they may be a different looking team next year, and adding Roy Halladay would be a big step up despite (possibly) losing John Lackey.
Posted by: dizzle | November 01, 2009 at 06:26 PM
I think it's possible that we'll see Mike Lowell on the trading block. His defense leaves a lot to be desired, but teams might be willing to take a chance on him given that his contract only runs for one more year.
As a Red Sox fan, I'd love to see them sign someone like Adrian Beltre (or, dare to dream, Chone Figgins) and get whatever they can for Lowell.
Posted by: Gugs87 | November 01, 2009 at 06:30 PM
I don't think it would be a "dream" for the Sox to sign Figgins.
But where would they stick Jacoby in the order?
Better yet, what about Pedroia?
Posted by: Tomahawk368 | November 01, 2009 at 06:41 PM
i honestly dont see the red sox trying to sign a third baseman they might just send a package for agon and shift youkilis to third what they really need is a shortstop
Posted by: Halos_N_E_1 | November 01, 2009 at 06:41 PM
I still think the Giants should go after Uggla for 3B, move Sandoval to 1B and just take a hit on the defense at 3rd. If the Giants can make one solid trade and sign Bay I think they'll contend all the way through September.
Posted by: khg | November 01, 2009 at 06:42 PM
garrett atkins to the orioles for a bag of balls and salary relief
Posted by: Timmy B | November 01, 2009 at 07:00 PM
God do I hate Neil Walker.
Posted by: Ian Smell | November 01, 2009 at 07:12 PM
no Mike Lowell? if the red sox trade for a power hitting corner guy, he is the weak link no?
Posted by: 04Forever | November 01, 2009 at 07:21 PM
It only makes sense to think Lowell will be gone if the Sox get that corner man.
Just to use A-Gon as an example;
V-Mart-C/1B
A-Gon-1B
Youk-1B/3B
Lowell-3B/1B=Odd man out.
Posted by: Tomahawk368 | November 01, 2009 at 07:49 PM
I am not sure the Red Sox would take on Youngs contract if the Rangers included their minor league system.
Lowell is a trade option, I think it would be tough but if I was sure he was healthy and the Red Sox were kicking in some money I can see a Twins type team taking him on. Decent glove, good bat, team leader.
I think he is a trade option, but the Red Sox need to get in another player before they entertain the option of trading Lowell. At the moment, Lowell is starting 3B.
Posted by: quintjs | November 01, 2009 at 08:35 PM
Why do they need another player before discussing a Lowell trade? They could move Youk to 3rd and keep Kotchman, couldn't they? V-Mart at C, Kotch at 1st, and Youk at 3rd. Varitek can play C on occasion, and Youk and V-Mart can spell Kotch at first. Lowire can be the utility backup for SS/3B, and maybe 2B if he's capable there.
Posted by: cubs223425 | November 01, 2009 at 09:34 PM
I know this is the 3B discussion, but Teahen's name is here, and I missed the 2B debate.
Last year, the hot question was the Cubs trying for Teahen at 2B/Util. I think they should open those discussions up again. Give the Royals Fontenot, cuz he's on the cheap this year after missing Super Two eligibility. He'd be a younger version of Fontenot--able to play 2B and 3B, and the Royals save some money. Give them a decent prospect too, if they still find him to be of good value or they aren't into Fontenot.
Posted by: cubs223425 | November 01, 2009 at 09:36 PM
Why? Because Lowell pwns Kotchman with the bat.
They should only move Lowell, if they find that big bat.
Besides, Tek is gone after the season.
Posted by: Tomahawk368 | November 01, 2009 at 09:39 PM
God do I hate Neil Walker.
Posted by: Ian Smell | November 01, 2009 at 07:12 PM
Imagine if management would've left him behind the plate, where the majority of his value was attributed to. His numbers would be much more attractive as a Catcher rather than a Third Baseman. Too bad we were drinking that Ronny Paulino kool-aid hard after his rookie year.
Posted by: bucs_lose_again | November 01, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Good call on Fields, I added him. Lowell is probably worth a mention.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | November 01, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Kevin Kouzmanoff - "That he's a competent third baseman gives him value"
Competent? Posting the highest fielding percentage in MLB history at third means you are "competent" ? Wow..master of the understated....
Posted by: Just another idiot | November 02, 2009 at 12:10 AM
My guess is that the Brewers will trade whomever of Gamel or McGehee that brings back better pitching in return. Basically leave it up to the other team to decide who they want more.
Posted by: Invader3K | November 02, 2009 at 07:10 AM
Gamel will almost absolutely bring the higher return, he's a much higher regarded hitter and he's younger, he's much more likely to make an impact over the next 5-6 years.
"Last year, the hot question was the Cubs trying for Teahen at 2B/Util. I think they should open those discussions up again."
Teahen just isn't capable of being good defensively at second base, at least from what he showed in Kansas City.
Teahen could be a nice piece, but the Cubs need to look at adding a lefty preferably, and right now the focus really needs to be on the outfield. I would rather go after Hermida than Teahen, although neither acquisition would be awful. The Cubs really don't have a lot of cash to work around with this winter though.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 02, 2009 at 08:31 AM
Good point about Headley, guess I lean Kouz because he's more expensive and I've seen him named in rumors.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | November 01, 2009 at 06:24 PM
Padres fans are really the only ones that are having the debate over who will play 3B in the future for the Padres, for management it’s kind of a no brainer. Headley is cheaper, younger, more athletic and gets on base at a .042 clip higher than Kouz. Kouz is a solid major league player with a lot of raw power but just is not the kind of guy who will have a lot of success with the bat playing in petco 81 times a year. Kouz would be a great addition for a team that needs a right handed power bat to hit 6th in their lineup. I think he gets moved to St Louis this winter.
Posted by: Steve | November 02, 2009 at 09:48 AM
You don't think the Cards give David Freese a chance to play 3B? He's getting to that age where he either needs to play regularly, or get traded before he loses all value.
O's will be looking at all the low-risk high-upside guys on this list. We have a lot of payroll coming off the books, so we could afford to eat the contract of someone like Atkins or Uggla (if the Marlins have a reasonable asking price).
Posted by: ugen64 | November 02, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Teahen needs a change of scenery. He's a solid backup with occasional left-handed power at the plate.
He strikes out too much.
Unfortunately given DM and Hillman's man-crush on him he will probably remain a Royal...though he has no future at third with Gordon right now and Moustakas in the future.
Posted by: Otis26 | November 02, 2009 at 10:17 AM
"You don't think the Cards give David Freese a chance to play 3B? He's getting to that age where he either needs to play regularly, or get traded before he loses all value."
Freese has always been a year or two older than the ave age of guys in the league he is playing in (he was blocked by Headley when he was in the SD ML system) so its really hard to project how he will do at the major league level. If the Cardinals were rebuilding it would make sense for them to start him at 3B but since they are going to compete for the NL Central again next year it would makes more sense for them to get a proven 3B who can add power to their lineup.
Posted by: Steve | November 02, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Mat Gamel for Derek Lowe?
Posted by: Jah | November 02, 2009 at 01:28 PM
cards get teahen? you know how TLR likes to mix and match. he can use teahen at 3rd, breaking in freese, and he can use him in right with ludwick if ankiel is gone, even give pujols the odd relief
Posted by: crash | November 02, 2009 at 01:43 PM
Somebody pick up Brandon Wood and play him. Wish the Dodgers could, but we are tired down Blake...
Posted by: brocmiller1 | November 02, 2009 at 06:04 PM
why would you wanna get rid of Blake? Did you see how much we struggled at the end? Well, magically, that was when Blake was out and the offense just stopped. He came back, and we swept the Cards... See a relationship?
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | November 02, 2009 at 06:07 PM
After watching this World Series, I think the Phillies could use both Kouz and Bell. Feliz is pathetic and Lidge, I don't even know what to say about him.
Posted by: DB | November 02, 2009 at 06:50 PM
"Mat Gamel for Derek Lowe?"
Posted by: Jah | November 02, 2009 at 01:28 PM
Speaking as a Brewers fan... ABSOLUTELY NOT! NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS, NO!
That would be a young guy with 30 homer potential for an old pitcher who isn't pitching very well and has a contract the size of, well, Jeff Suppan's contract, only worse. Seeing as we still have Jeff Suppan, we can't afford to do that. Besides, if we wanted a 15-10 record with a 4.67 ERA, we'd just exercise Braden Looper's option for, what, $6 mil?
Not to sound mean, but, I would have to punch Doug Melvin in the face if he did that deal.
Here's an idea. Mat Gamel and J.J. Hardy to the Orioles for Brad Bergesen and Radhames Liz. I think that would be fair.
Posted by: Sage | November 02, 2009 at 07:32 PM
Phillies need to trade Taylor and other prospects, or even Happ for Gamel. He is great and if he is in fact on the block the Phillies should jump all over it.
Posted by: ChasenWerth | November 13, 2009 at 04:44 PM