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Discussion: Trade Options For Yankees And Mets
With so many teams maintaining or reducing payroll this winter, the New York Yankees and New York Mets have an opportunity to take advantage, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Although it's possible that the Yankees' and Mets' 2010 payrolls will be below their 2009 figures, Sherman says each team still has money to spend.
Sherman suggests that the two New York franchises could use their financial flexibility to explore the trade market. The Detroit Tigers and Cincinnati Reds are among the clubs reportedly looking to trade. Sherman thinks that the Yankees or Mets are in a position to take on a bad contract from one of these teams (such as Magglio Ordonez, Bronson Arroyo, or Francisco Cordero) if a more desirable piece, like Curtis Granderson or Brandon Phillips, was also included in the package.
One agent tells Sherman that the Mets "are not a destination spot right now, especially if you are a hitter. You would be going to a questionable team playing in a huge park." As such, Sherman implies that if the Mets aren't able to blow away a hitter like Matt Holliday or Jason Bay with a ton of money, the trade market could serve them better.
It's a decent idea in theory, but I'm not sure it's necessarily the right move for either team. For instance, Sherman rightly points out that the Granderson-Ordonez pair will be less expensive next year ($23.5MM) than what the Yanks paid for Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui this year ($26MM). However, he neglects to mention that Damon and Matsui outproduced the two Tigers in 2009, and it's unlikely that the Yankees' pair will cost $26MM again in 2010. Plus, as MLBTR's Mike Axisa tweets, there's no guarantee that taking on a bad contract would reduce the price of a player like Granderson or Phillips.
If you were running the Yankees or Mets, would you be calling up the Reds, Tigers, and other cost-cutting franchises that are looking to deal? Or would you be more inclined to stick to the free agent market?
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If I'm the Mets I call the Reds to talk about Phillips but only make a deal if I get rid of Castillo. That's a big qualifier.
Posted by: golddave.wordpress.com | November 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Unless the Yanks can get Granderson for a package like they got Swisher for (which they probably won't be able to since Granderson has more star power) I would stay away from making a trade on a salary dump.
I really would like to see Damon and Matsui back with the Yanks. Godzilla was looking like a beast at the end of the season last year even before the playoffs. The DH spot could still be used to rest players since Matsui needs some rest too.
There are no other short term commitments out there that can replace the production of Damon and Matsui. The 2 and 5 hitters on top scoring offense in baseball? They must have been doing something right.
Posted by: yanks09 | November 15, 2009 at 11:18 AM
The only player I would want is Granderson (phillips would be nice but we have Cano and I would never replace him with phillips).
Posted by: Yankees10 | November 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Citi Field is not a Pitcher's park...when will these reporters stop with the nonsense? Just because the Mets didn't hit HR last year? It wasn't the park.
Posted by: RIPShea | November 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM
The Reds would not take Castillo. They don't need him. However I could see the Mets making a move for Harang. I'm not even sure it would take much more than maybe a B level prospect plus a project if the Mets take on the salary.
Posted by: RIPShea | November 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM
I'd take a look into Granderson, but I wouldn't be giving up the farm for him (which would probably be the case).
I'd also take a good look at Bronson Arroyo. He'd fit the bill for what I think the Yankees need (a middle/back of the rotation type pitcher). Though I have to say... this worries me a tad...
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091004&content_id=7326178&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin
Posted by: Agent | November 15, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Gotta UP the payroll tax.
Posted by: ballyb11 | November 15, 2009 at 11:27 AM
As a Mets fan it's impossible to make any recommendation when we don't know what the budget looks like. I personally don't care if they have a $300M payroll. Sure, trade for Phillips, Arroyo and Harang and for Halladay and Wells and while you're at it see if you can get SF to part with Cain or Sandoval if you take Zito... In the end it comes down to the budget they are actually working with. Adding Phillips and Arroyo or Harrang adds about $20M to the payroll, if that's all the Mets are spending in the off-season, then they should stay away from picking up bad contracts. They have enough bad contracts of their own. If they are willing to outspend their mistakes, which will be hugely expensive, considering the sheer number of mistakes they make, then I say go for it.
Posted by: ChicoWalker | November 15, 2009 at 11:29 AM
I don't see why the Yankees would want to make a trade for anyone other than Roy Halladay. Anything else they need can pretty much be found on the free agent market. Why trade for Granderson and have to deal with Magglio when you can just sign Mike Cameron? The main difference is age, Cameron's superior defense, and the fact that Cameron has a far less drastic platoon split. So... why would we give up a good prospect for Granderson again? I guess I would agree with the first part of yanks09's comment.
Posted by: NYYanksCaptain23 | November 15, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Mets:
(1)Brandon Phillips, 2B
(2)Aaron Harang, SP
Reds:
(1)Brad Holt, SP
(2)Luis Castillo, 2B
(3)Scott Moviel, RP
(4)Bobby Parnell, SP
-----------------
Yankees:
(1)Matt Holliday, OF
(2)Johnny Damon, DH
(3)Bullpen Arm
*my early prediction ... of course they will make more moves
Posted by: SouvenirCityBaby | November 15, 2009 at 11:31 AM
RIPShea, citifield is a pitcher's park, but our pitchers and defense are terrible, they would give up moon shots in yellowstone.
Posted by: ChicoWalker | November 15, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Mets:
(1)Brandon Phillips, 2B
(2)Aaron Harang, SP
Reds:
(1)Brad Holt, SP
(2)Luis Castillo, 2B
(3)Scott Moviel, RP
(4)Bobby Parnell, SP
-----------------
Yankees:
(1)Matt Holliday, OF
(2)Johnny Damon, DH
(3)Bullpen Arm
*my early prediction ... of course they will make more moves
Posted by: SouvenirCityBaby | November 15, 2009 at 11:31 AM
That Mets trade has a 0% likelihood of happening. The reason the Reds would even consider moving Phillips is clearing payroll. Phillips and Castillo are equivalent salaries. Yes, the Reds clear Harang's contract off of the books, but it is going to take much more to land Phillips. The Reds will NOT be taking back Luis Castillo in any deal for Phillips. Im also not sure where Holliday lands, but I would be willing to bet it is not the Yanks.
Posted by: Beckett_Lester | November 15, 2009 at 11:36 AM
why would the reds want castillo, they'd be downgrading at second base and adding a bad contract
if the mets are going to get phillips/harang their going to have to get a 3rd team involved who needs a 2nd baseman...
Posted by: nbbaseball51 | November 15, 2009 at 11:37 AM
No way the Reds take Castillo in a deal..unless the Mets pay Castillo salary. They wanna reduce Payroll, and Castillo will make 12 million the next 2 years. Yes it less than Phillips but im sure they dont wanna pay Castillo 12 million
Posted by: Moses Magnum | November 15, 2009 at 11:39 AM
"Mets:
(1)Brandon Phillips, 2B
(2)Aaron Harang, SP
Reds:
(1)Brad Holt, SP
(2)Luis Castillo, 2B
(3)Scott Moviel, RP
(4)Bobby Parnell, SP
-----------------
Yankees:
(1)Matt Holliday, OF
(2)Johnny Damon, DH
(3)Bullpen Arm
*my early prediction ... of course they will make more moves
Posted by: SouvenirCityBaby | November 15, 2009 at 11:31 AM "
The Reds don't need Luis Castillo. They already have a better in-house canidate for 2B who won't coat anything. Plus, the Reds don't need all those minor league pitchers, maybe 1 but not 3. They'll be looking for Catchers and Shortstops.
Posted by: Ethanator99 | November 15, 2009 at 11:39 AM
The Reds would not take Castillo. But I will say that Castillo and Phillips don't have equivalent salaries.
I think/hope...
-Trade Castillo to the Cubs or Dodgers
-Trade Brad Holt, Ruben Tejada, Bobby Parnell for Phillips, Arroyo/Harang
-Sign Matt Holliday
Posted by: QueensKing | November 15, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Damon for 2/26 or 1/13 with an option would be reasonable, I doubt he'd take less.
As far as Holliday, I'd say no. I find Lackey to be the option that makes the most sense, considering AJax will be up either next year or the year after.
Posted by: baseball52 | November 15, 2009 at 11:41 AM
I would look into trading for Arroyo and Phillips... I would first move Castillo to LA for Pierre (although I don't like his defense and arm in Citi)
Posted by: mattkhoo7620 | November 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM
The Yankees won without Curtis Granderson. Why would the Yanks trade high value for him - especially since he can't hit left-handers?
Posted by: roundabout | November 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM
The Reds would not take Castillo. But I will say that Castillo and Phillips don't have equivalent salaries.
I think/hope...
-Trade Castillo to the Cubs or Dodgers
-Trade Brad Holt, Ruben Tejada, Bobby Parnell for Phillips, Arroyo/Harang
-Sign Matt Holliday
Posted by: QueensKing | November 15, 2009 at 11:40 AM
You are right, they are not equivalent, but they are similar next year ($6.75M for Phillips and $6M for Castillo). Phillips does go up to $11M in 2011 while Castillo stays at $6M. In any case, the Reds will NOT take Castillo in any trade. As far as your trade proprosal goes, it still is not enough. The Reds need an impact bat in return, not bullpen fodder.
Posted by: Beckett_Lester | November 15, 2009 at 11:49 AM
If the Mets could trade Castillo, I would love to see them acquire Harang/Arroyo and Phillips. If they do not trade Castillo, however, they should make a strong push for Halladay.
Posted by: diehardmets | November 15, 2009 at 11:51 AM
The yanks should trade for verlander and miguel cabrera for a DH...maybe for melky and phil coke and wang...then get joey votto from the reds for gardner he is fast and cheap for the reds. then sign lackey for 5 years $120 mil...then get matt hollidy for 6 years $200 mil. then sign mauer next off season for 10 years $250 mil. Done. that should do it. i smell championship #28! yanks rule. we have so much $$$$. maybe we can buy the marlins for our farm system...i like it cashman is so smart!
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 11:53 AM
The yanks should trade for verlander and miguel cabrera for a DH...maybe for melky and phil coke and wang...then get joey votto from the reds for gardner he is fast and cheap for the reds. then sign lackey for 5 years $120 mil...then get matt hollidy for 6 years $200 mil. then sign mauer next off season for 10 years $250 mil. Done. that should do it. i smell championship #28! yanks rule. we have so much $$$$. maybe we can buy the marlins for our farm system...i like it cashman is so smart!
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Jealousy is a marvelous thing. I hate the Yanks as much as any person alive, but I respect their owners for doing what it takes to win. Maybe you should petition the owner of your team not to pocket the $80M-$100M profit he probably made after revenue sharing last year?! Grow up.
Posted by: Beckett_Lester | November 15, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Chico Walker up thread really hit this perfectly- since no one even has a clue what the Mets operating budget is for next year, who the hell knows what kinds of trades they can (or should) make. (I do have to disagree about the budget- I am not interested in rooting for a team with a $300 million payroll).
Having said that- a deal that brings back Harang and Phillips, while sending Castillo (probably along with some cash, but certainly not all) elsewhere (not Cin) makes some sense. OTOH- I do wonder how good Phillips would really be with that kind of switch in home stadiums. I am concerned that he might have David Wright kind of power.
If I am the Mets, I would focus more on trades where they take back "bad" contracts that could look pretty good a year from now. (Like a Harang) I would NOT fish at the top of the free agent market, unless the prices on those players drop dramatically, wait and see who is still looking for work in late January. Move Oliver Perez for a similarly bad contract, ideally a shorter one, maybe a 4th OF or backup MI type- while I believe that Perez will be better next year, and could potentially be a lot better, he has absolutely no support in the Mets fan base, he could start out the year 4-0 with a sub 2 ERA, then have a sub par outing in start number 5 at CITI and be booed loudly off the mound.
Posted by: jakec | November 15, 2009 at 11:56 AM
haha well they know how to get the comments going on a football sunday
Put an article for Mets AND Yankee fans to post trades all day
Posted by: stlcards16 | November 15, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Doesnt make sense to trade for Magglio Ordonez, Bronson Arroyo, or Francisco Cordero) or Curtis Granderson or Brandon Phillips) We should bring back free agents Matsui, Damond and Pettite for 1 or maximun 2 years. If Damond demand more years then sign Cameron for 1 or 2 years (until Ajax is ready) and DH Posada and put Cervelli in the 9 spot (until Montero is ready).
We should avoid Lackey, Bay or Holliday (too expensive and will demand too many years, remember that we also need money to resign Jeter)
With CC, AJ, Pet, Wang, Gaudin, joba and hugues we have plenty of options in starting pitching altough i would like to see a low budget - gamble signing like Sheets, Harden or Bedard, then in 2011 we could probably go for the best pitching FA available (Halladay, Lee, Beckett, Webb all possible FA next year) and look for a good young outfilder (Carl Crawford may be an option in 2011 also.)
Posted by: asantama | November 15, 2009 at 11:59 AM
I don't think any of the Cincy players would be worth trading for, when you factor in their contracts plus the prospects the Mets would have to give up. There isn't enough of a difference between, say, Brandon Phillips and Orlando Hudson to make a trade worth it.
If the Mets are to make a trade this offseason, it needs to be a blockbuster type deal to make the sacrifice of prospects worth it. Players who fit this bill are Granderson, Carl Crawford, and Adrian Gonzalez (whose contract and age make him the best option). If such a deal isn't possible, they should stick to the free agent market and continue to cultivate their farm system.
Posted by: metrofoe | November 15, 2009 at 12:00 PM
i just want to see puljos on the yanks...is that so wrong?
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Your not a yankees fan, just some retarted kid
Posted by: BxSquad | November 15, 2009 at 12:06 PM
If I were Cashman I would take all of Francisco Cordero's contract if I got Votto who can play a corner outfield!
Posted by: dan l | November 15, 2009 at 12:07 PM
*My ideal Yankees Team*
SS Jeter
DH/LF Damon
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
RF Hamilton
C Posada
LF/DH Nady
CF Cabrera
Bench
Swisher, OF/1B
Cervelli, C
Pena, INF
Gardner, OF
Posted by: FreeSide | November 15, 2009 at 12:12 PM
is markmm kidding with his comments? honestly i couldnt tell you for the life of me. im pretty sure he doesnt watch baseball as he cant spell pujol's name right and hes the best player in the game.
Posted by: yankees88 | November 15, 2009 at 12:12 PM
puljos haha
Posted by: guydavis | November 15, 2009 at 12:13 PM
FreeSide your team sucks to be honest!
Posted by: dan l | November 15, 2009 at 12:13 PM
The Yankees mine as well trade for everyone, and buy everyone who they can't trade for. Sign all the top free agents, trade for the top players, expand their payroll beyond $275-$300 million if necessary.
Their all star lineup isn't enough already. Sign Holliday, Damon, Matsui, Lackey, Harden, etc. If there's no room, make them bench players to keep the other all stars fresh. It'll be like they are playing the "Bad News Bears" every game, and they can sweep right through the play-offs while stepping on the other teams like Andre the Giant.
I'm being sarcastic, of course, but this is the way that it's starting to go. Their payroll, and team, is already ridiculous. It's getting to the point where if the Yankees get involved in bidding, the other teams mine as well just go home. The Yankees act as if they are spending monopoly money every year, and last year's signing of the top three free agents, to exorbitant amounts of money, made it even a bigger joke.
MLB will never do it, but it needs a salary cap. Don't tell me about the Rays last year. When you have a team that has one player who makes almost as much as a whole team, along with a starting line up of eight position players that makes as much as the Cubs entire team does, there is a problem.
As long as this continues, who cares about the World Series anymore? The excitement leading up to it, as with this year, is completely gone.
Posted by: TheGrinch | November 15, 2009 at 12:15 PM
What has this site become of ... people berating the ideas of others, 5 word comments, troll posts ... we all knew this was bound to happen but between all the sarcasm and fake mock lineups this is getting out of hand. I am an avid member of this site and will not leave because of the consistent and reliable sports talk but people who don't care need to get a life. Freeside thats a nice team ... good idea on Hamilton He honestly slipped my mind but he did have a down year and would destroy Yankee Stadium. Metfroroe you hit it on the head, The Mets if they do make a trade this offseason will have to conduct a blockbuster. Last season they got Putz and that was a bust this season they need to do something big that works and doesn't ruin the ego of the players
Posted by: SouvenirCityBaby | November 15, 2009 at 12:20 PM
My bad i forgot Cano....
SS Jeter
DH/LF Damon
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
RF Hamilton
C Posada
LF/DH Nady
2B Cano
CF Cabrera
Posted by: FreeSide | November 15, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Mets need to get Phillips and maybe Crawford. Personally speed is more valuable then power, especially at Citifield
Posted by: nymets86 | November 15, 2009 at 12:23 PM
wow...we just need one more ace and one more cleanup hitter and we should get #28...i mean nothing is guarnateed you have to play the games. plus why should we (by we i mean the yankees. i like yankees09 and the bx guy are on the payroll) why should WE get penalized by the other teams being poor. i mean hey thats life. i see poor people all the time. i get some great deals off them. i got a cool leather jacket once. anyway mauer in 2010 and felix in 2012!
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 12:26 PM
How would the Yankees get Hamilton?
The Rangers would be stupid to deal him. He is affordable (only about 600K) and just had a down year. For a team financialy strapped, they should hold onto the guys like Cruz, Hamilton, Davis because they can all contribute with the bat at affordable prices.
Posted by: R y a n | November 15, 2009 at 12:27 PM
hamlton for melky and cash! do it! #28! YES!
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Yes Speed is more valuable than power at Citifield... With that being said the Mets need to look into getting Juan Pierre for Luis Castillo... Pierre offers what Castillo would in terms of offensive production at a position where the Mets would benefit(LF)... Phillips is the ideal 2B for the Mets he has swagger, talent, and heart. Use the prospects like Holt, Tejada, etc to acquire him and plug him into 2B... Trade Oliver Perez for another Bat (maybe Jose Guillen, Vernon Wells, Eric Byrnes or Milton Bradley) a couple of head case outfielders who would benefit from a change of scenary as they are not liked where they are now... not to mention this is an ideal contract swap scenario. Pursue names like Ben Sheets, Erik Bedard, RIch Harden, Justin Duscherer, Brett Myers, along with Bronson Arroyo, Aaron Harang, or Edwin Jackson and call it a nice offseason. Let MURPHY PLAY 1B ... DON'T BRING BACK CARLOS!
Posted by: FreeSide | November 15, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Yeah why would Texas trade Hamiliton again?
Posted by: brian91388 | November 15, 2009 at 12:30 PM
I think that each of these teams could a be a decent fit in trades with Detroit and Cincinnati. Specifically, the Mets and Reds could match up quite well on a trade.
I go into more detail on the idea of Aaron Harang to the Mets, Granderson to the Angels, and other things on my new blog, Scribbling the Majors.
I can't link to it here out of respect for Tim and MLBTR, but you can find it by searching "scribbling the major" on Google, it's the first page they find.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 15, 2009 at 12:31 PM
I was just my ideal team... not saying its likely to happen anytime soon but Hamilton would be a great Yankee... (someone will say ... SEE this is why Yankee fans are hated) after reading this post ... Guaranteed!
Posted by: FreeSide | November 15, 2009 at 12:32 PM
hamlton for melky and cash! do it! #28! YES!
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Kid, can you please go eat some cookies and loook at rolie polie olie
Posted by: BxSquad | November 15, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Ok FreeSide I sort of understand, except if you were making an ideal team why is Nady, Posada, and Melky in there instead of Mauer, Pujols, and Sizemore for example? I just don't get your point, no disrespect, it was just weird.
Posted by: brian91388 | November 15, 2009 at 12:37 PM
never would happen, melky for hamilton? haha it sure is funny though
Posted by: yanksrdashit | November 15, 2009 at 12:41 PM
BxSquad sounds pretty tough. are you rich like the yankees? i am. and i still think verlander and cabrera would be a great fit. #28! i still remember #12 like it was yesterday. sorry BxSquad if this offends you, i wouldnt want to be roughed up by a little fake bronx tough-guy
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Yankees fan are ridiculous, as if it wasn't enough to give their 1st basemen a contract worth 180 mil, they still come up with all sorts of ridiculous ideas for trading for all of the major leagues elite 1st basemen. On top of that almost all the proposals include dealing league average players or never surrendering their top prospects. Wake up people you can't just trade random garbage for all-star caliber players it just doesn't happen, but still tomorrow some NY jackass comes up with an off-season plan of trading for A Gonzalez, Fielder, and Votto and placing them in their outfield in that order.
There's a reason that talk of a salary cap always surfaces and honestly when your team goes out and buys three of the five top free agents I have no idea how the wheels are still not in action as we speak.
Posted by: danks50 | November 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM
"Trade options for the Yankees?" - yes, they will trade money for free agents. Oops, did I just ruin the ending for everyone?
Posted by: ABraveNewWorld | November 15, 2009 at 12:48 PM
BxSquad sounds pretty tough. are you rich like the yankees? i am. and i still think verlander and cabrera would be a great fit. #28! i still remember #12 like it was yesterday. sorry BxSquad if this offends you, i wouldnt want to be roughed up by a little fake bronx tough-guy
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 12:45 PM
I'm not rich nor tough, i just hate the fact that we have to share the same air, i just can't stand stupidity
Posted by: BxSquad | November 15, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Yankees fan are ridiculous, as if it wasn't enough to give their 1st basemen a contract worth 180 mil, they still come up with all sorts of ridiculous ideas for trading for all of the major leagues elite 1st basemen. On top of that almost all the proposals include dealing league average players or never surrendering their top prospects. Wake up people you can't just trade random garbage for all-star caliber players it just doesn't happen, but still tomorrow some NY jackass comes up with an off-season plan of trading for A Gonzalez, Fielder, and Votto and placing them in their outfield in that order.
There's a reason that talk of a salary cap always surfaces and honestly when your team goes out and buys three of the five top free agents I have no idea how the wheels are still not in action as we speak.
Posted by: danks50 | November 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM
My dude, shut the ***k up.
There is no other fanbase that supports their team like the yankees fans, rain or freakin shine those guys will attend games.
and when their team outspends other teams your mad? get a freakin clue kid.
OTHER TEAM OWNERS POCKETS THIER MONEY, BE MAD AT THEM NOT THE YANKEES FRANCHISE, THEY DO NOTHING MORE THAN TRY TO PLEASE THEIR FANS
Posted by: BxSquad | November 15, 2009 at 12:51 PM
really? because the name BxSquad sounds pretty stupid. like you are a rap group or something...i dont know just sounds a little weird to me. like a bomb squad...but from the bronx? are you from the bronx? and are you a squad? maybe i am stupid...i just cant seem to get it. sign mauer now for melky do it now! #28 yes! play the games! get lacky too we need one more ace
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM
rain or shine? like booing rivera a few years back when he had a rough patch? your pathetic and thinking that you like your team more than anyone else likes their team just because your a yankee fan is incredibly pompous. and you wonder why people get pissed at guys like you
Posted by: patmegroin | November 15, 2009 at 12:53 PM
yankees fans are the best! we sleep when we stink and scream how good we are when we win...its simple
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 12:56 PM
rain or shine? like booing rivera a few years back when he had a rough patch? your pathetic and thinking that you like your team more than anyone else likes their team just because your a yankee fan is incredibly pompous. and you wonder why people get pissed at guys like you
Posted by: patmegroin
Stupid kid, where did i mention anything about my team signing holliday, lackey and trading for votto and pujols?
i said yankees fan supports their team rain or shine, meaning we go to each game and support our team finically which is why the yankees spend so much on star players.
next time i will type everything out for you stupid.
Posted by: BxSquad | November 15, 2009 at 01:00 PM
@BXSquad
"There is no other fanbase that supports their team like the yankees fans, rain or freakin shine those guys will attend games."
----------------------
Did you really just say that? Did you really just make a blanket statement saying you were better fans than everyone else? Give one reason why, because I have at least 10 reasons why you are completely wrong.
Posted by: brian91388 | November 15, 2009 at 01:02 PM
BxSquad in DA HOUSE!
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 01:02 PM
I'm all for our farm players.
i don't want lackey, i dont want sheets ect.
i would like to see HUGHES and JOBA get another chance.I'm all for Dellin Betances and Andrew Brackman who both throws 98 mph and goood curveballs but are injury risks.
I'm all for passsing on MAUER and staying with Montero or Romaine.
ONLY star player i would want on my team is KING FELIX.
Posted by: BxSquad | November 15, 2009 at 01:04 PM
thank you brian, thats what I've been trying to say... he's delusional
Posted by: patmegroin | November 15, 2009 at 01:04 PM
carefull BxSquad is a smart one. he will confuse you with his intelligence. So when can we expect milky for hamilton...
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 01:05 PM
i agree with all of that, we dont need mauer when we have montero and romaine. we dont matt holliday when the yankees have austin jackson in the minors. the only thing we need is a 4 starter. probably not even king felix
Posted by: yanksrdashit | November 15, 2009 at 01:06 PM
@BXSquad
"There is no other fanbase that supports their team like the yankees fans, rain or freakin shine those guys will attend games."
----------------------
Did you really just say that? Did you really just make a blanket statement saying you were better fans than everyone else? Give one reason why, because I have at least 10 reasons why you are completely wrong.
Posted by: brian91388 | November 15, 2009 at 01:02 PM
OKAY, I HAVE TO PUT THIS IS CAPS, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE YANKEES FANS SUPPORTS THEIR TEAM "FINICALLY"
Posted by: BxSquad | November 15, 2009 at 01:10 PM
too bad the jets cant buy any players. we would be great if that happened.
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 01:11 PM
All Yankee fans aren't bad. It's just that the majority of them who post on blogs are. There are more than a few good Yankee fans on this site, they are just more quiet. I don't get how some of these people can have such little self awareness of how absurd they sound.
Posted by: brian91388 | November 15, 2009 at 01:11 PM
Prove me wrong on that brian, i'm wating, i have a midterm to hand in monday.
Posted by: BxSquad | November 15, 2009 at 01:12 PM
finically? BxSquad, thought you were smart?
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 01:12 PM
MARKMM you think my username is stupid?
patmegroin likes other people touchin his nuts lmao
Posted by: BxSquad | November 15, 2009 at 01:14 PM
if thats what you turn to when you realize how pathetic you are..... I understand
Posted by: patmegroin | November 15, 2009 at 01:14 PM
BxSquad...that isn't true at all. Why did your team have such horrible attendance in the first few rows of seats this year (in a year you won the World Series, in the opening season of most expensive park in history)? Why did multiple NY writers write about how embarrassing the attendance was? Like, I don't understand your point.
The reason you have so much revenue isn't because of the fans. It's because you are in the biggest city with many affluent people, along with the best TV deal around. Red Sox fans per capita outspend Yankee fans far greater. I also find it offensive you think spending money necessarily determines who supports their team more. That's like saying the person who loves their wife the most buys them the most expensive ring (Kobe Bryant loves your theory).
Posted by: brian91388 | November 15, 2009 at 01:15 PM
The reason you have so much revenue isn't because of the fans. It's because you are in the biggest city with many affluent people, along with the best TV deal around. Red Sox fans per capita outspend Yankee fans far greater. I also find it offensive you think spending money necessarily determines who supports their team more. That's like saying the person who loves their wife the most buys them the most expensive ring (Kobe Bryant loves your theory).
if that was true the mets should have just as much money as the yankees. So that doesn't make much sense either.
Posted by: yanksrdashit | November 15, 2009 at 01:21 PM
i think the name BxSquad is pretty stupid...yeah. im not sure i get it. you sound like a dork- no offense
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 01:21 PM
"I also find it offensive you think spending money necessarily determines who supports their team more."
i dont give a shyt what you find offensive, lmao.
The only team with a higher attendace this year was the dodgers, with the stock markets crashing in 2008 and NYC is a hard place to live finically, do you understand why we had a drop in attendance?
Posted by: BxSquad | November 15, 2009 at 01:24 PM
Yeah if you would ignore the fact that the Yankees were established in New York since Babe Ruth, and the Mets are a relatively new franchise. But if you were to ignore that, you probably would be the type of person that uses "da" instead of "the", thinking it's edgy.
Posted by: brian91388 | November 15, 2009 at 01:26 PM
Hmmm...so then logically the Dodger fans are the second best right? This is actually funny to me. After seeing you write "finically" after someone already pointed this out to you, I think you are a troll. I hope you are a fan of another team and just making it seem like you are a Yankee fan, and typing dumb stuff to make them look bad. If you truly are a Yankee fan, wow.
Posted by: brian91388 | November 15, 2009 at 01:30 PM
Exactly 49 years additional years of being based out of the New York area obviously means nothing, but since two teams are geography located near the largest market city in the United States they should make exactly the same. Never mind that the Mets have the 2nd largest payroll in MLB were completely wrong...
Posted by: danks50 | November 15, 2009 at 01:32 PM
I felt like I just walked into a middle school with all this namecalling.
Posted by: Ethanator99 | November 15, 2009 at 01:33 PM
I think that the most surprising thing here, which obviously isn't the Yankees fan weak arrangements; is that he apparently attends college! My view of New York based schools (if that is indeed were he goes) went straight down the drain.
Posted by: danks50 | November 15, 2009 at 01:35 PM
The only team with a higher attendace this year was the dodgers, with the stock markets crashing in 2008 and NYC is a hard place to live finically, do you understand why we had a drop in attendance?
Posted by: BxSquad | November 15, 2009 at 01:24 PM
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The vast majority of the Yankees revenue comes from their TV network, not attendance.
Posted by: bobo | November 15, 2009 at 01:36 PM
no trades unless it's for a frontline pitcher...but i do think in terms of free agency that Holliday makes more sense over Damon or Matsui because its a down year and he is younger and should maintain his skills over 5 or 6 years and probably can be brought in for a contract of that length at a reasonble price...
Posted by: the yankee fanatic | November 15, 2009 at 01:37 PM
then watch out for BxSquad he is from the Bronx. he is rich like the yankees and will buy you
Posted by: markmm | November 15, 2009 at 01:37 PM
As a Mets fan, I would like the following (feel free to criticize/marvel at the potential):
Sign Lackey 5 years 75 mil
Sign Figgins 4 years 40 mil
Trade Ike Davis, Ruben Tejada, Brad Holt, and Fernando Martinez for Adrian Gonzalez
Posted by: Aiden | November 15, 2009 at 01:43 PM
No probably not, he types like he's still in the process of learning the English language. However according to him the Yankees spend because they care so much about their fans as it obviously has nothing to do with their market.
Therefore I'm sure he's got Steinbrenner on the phone begging him to buy this site so only him and yankeesrdashit can banter on more nonsense in the comments section.
Posted by: danks50 | November 15, 2009 at 01:45 PM
Yankees Offseason Outlook:
1) Resign Andy Pettitte
2) Lets your FREE AGENTS WALK!!!!! DAMON BYE! MATSUI BYE!
- MOVE POSADA TO DH AND BRING UP MONTERO, THE CATCHER.
- BRING UP A. JACKSON.. DUDE'S BEEN RACKING IN TRIPLE A THE PAST 2 SEASONS.. ITS TIME 2 MAKE HIM THE STARTING CF!
3) THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR BULLPEN HELP. MAYBE ADD 1-2 ARMS.
4) YOU HAVE TO ADD ANOTHER STARTER! I FEEL AS IF THE YANKEES HAVE THE EDGE ON ACQUIRING THE YOUNG CUBAN DEFECTOR, A. CHAPMAN.
LINEUP:
1) A. JACKSON (CF)
2. JETER (SS)
3. TEX (1B)
4. AROD (3B)
5. SWISHER (RF)
6. POSADA(DH)
7. CANO (2B)
8. MONTERO(C)
9. M. CABRERA (LF)
bench:
B. Gardner(OF)
E. Hinske(Ib/DH/OF)
J. Hairston(IF/OF)
R.Pena(2b/SS)
J. Molina(C)
F. Cervelli(C)
ROTATION:
- CC
- BURNETT
- PETTITTE
- HUGHES
- CHAPMAN
BULLPEN:
RP- m. rivera(closer)
RP- J. CHAMBERLIN(SU)
RP - Brian Bruney
RP - Jose Veras
RP - Edwar Ramirez
RP - Phil Coke
RP- S. Mitre
RP- C. Gaubin
The Yankees can go with a youth movement and still be the the outmost favorite to win the World Series! I mean if worst come to worst and they start off shaky, then you can start trading.
Posted by: Barrettman | November 15, 2009 at 01:45 PM
As a Mets fan, I would like the following (feel free to criticize/marvel at the potential):
Sign Lackey 5 years 75 mil
Sign Figgins 4 years 40 mil
Trade Ike Davis, Ruben Tejada, Brad Holt, and Fernando Martinez for Adrian Gonzalez
Posted by: Aiden | November 15, 2009 at 01:43 PM
The F/A signings seem like decent projects of what each will end up with. The Mets are not getting Adrian, however. That package would get them laughed at.
Posted by: Beckett_Lester | November 15, 2009 at 01:48 PM
*decent projections
Posted by: Beckett_Lester | November 15, 2009 at 01:48 PM
Aiden
I like lackey and think the package is about right but chone isn't. Worth 10 per for 4 years
Posted by: beastOftheEast | November 15, 2009 at 01:49 PM
mitre scks veras isn't on the team anymore chapman is not near ready, and the yankees probably wont even get him. And montero isn't ready yet and either jackson.
Posted by: yanksrdashit | November 15, 2009 at 01:50 PM
That package has talent
Ike davis, fmart, holt and tejada
Though I think flores will make that deal happen.
Posted by: beastOftheEast | November 15, 2009 at 01:52 PM
For weeks I've been preaching about how the Mets SHOULD trade for A. Gonzalez.. but the Mets wouldnt look all that bad with this idea as well..
- Trade for R. Halladay and this time give the Blue Jays what they want!(OF-Fmart,IF-Tejada,and P's-Niese & Parnell).
- Acquire IB Ryan Garko.. to platoon at 1b with D. Murphy.
- Trade 2b Castillo to the cubs for OF Fukodome.
- Sign 2b O. Hudson
- Sign SP J. Marquis
- Sign vet catcher for young movement of catchers(possibly Pudge).
- Sign R. Soriano as your set-up man to Krod
Lineup:
1) O. Hudson- 2b
2) J. Reyes- SS
3) D. Wright-3b
4) C. Beltran-CF
5) J. Franceour-RF
6) K. Fukodome- LF
7) R.Garko/D.Murphy-1b
8) O. Santos/J.Thole
Bench:
- C. Carter(OF)
- Pudge (C)
- Garko/Murphy(1b/OF)
- A.Hernandez(2b/SS)
- F. Tatis(OF/1b)
- A. Pagan(OF)
Rotation:
- Santana
- Halladay
- Marquis
- Perez
- Pelfrey
Bullpen
F. Rodriguez (CL)
R. Soriano (SU)
P. Feliciano
S. Green
B. Stokes
Carlos Muniz
P. Misch
L. Broadway
J. Maine
Posted by: Barrettman | November 15, 2009 at 01:54 PM
That package has talent
Ike davis, fmart, holt and tejada
Though I think flores will make that deal happen.
Posted by: beastOftheEast | November 15, 2009 at 01:52 PM
It does not matter how much "talent" you think that deal has. It has nothing that the Padres need in it. The only reason the Padres are contemplating trading Gonzalez now, and not at the deadline is that they already have a young top 1B ready to step in at 1B. Davis is not nearly the prospect that Kyle Blanks was, and Blanks has already shown the ability to hit at the MLB level. Holt sucks and Tejada's .730 OPS does not lend itself much to what San Diego needs either. FMart is the wildcard. Some reports have him as a sure fire talent, and others are MUCH lower on him. He has never been spectacular at any level, but he has always been very young at each level. Regardless, I put the Mets chances of getting Adrian Gonzalez at 0.01%.
Posted by: Beckett_Lester | November 15, 2009 at 01:57 PM
that offense is terrible..
Posted by: metsfan(sigh) | November 15, 2009 at 01:58 PM
beastoftheEast,
I absolutely think a player with a .400 on base percentage, 40 sbs, and versatility is worth 10 mil a year for 4 years. Even if it is slightly overpaying, Figgins value at Citi Field would be phenomenal, and if he's surrounded by Beltran, Gonzalez, and Wright, he can be sure to wreak havoc on the basepaths and give those players better pitches. In addition, a player with that kind of patience would be perfect for Reyes.
40 mil might not even be necessary though...he could be had for 32-35.
Posted by: Aiden | November 15, 2009 at 01:59 PM
hey scribbletone i googled it and couldn't find it. would you mind posting the link? I don't think Tim would mind considering these posts are becoming absolute jokes...I for one want to get back to talking baseball with some fans of the games and not some bandwagon fans who just take cheap shots at everyone else's team.
Posted by: yanks09 | November 15, 2009 at 02:00 PM
Being a Mets fan, I would like Phillips from the Reds and Jackson from the Tigers. I don't believe acquiring Phillips and Jackson would cost the Mets more than two prospects a piece or maybe one ML ready player. Also, trading Castillo must be a priority and also acquiring a power bat like Holliday. Signing John Lackey would solidify their #2 spot and Wolf; and perhaps signing a Molina or even Olivio for a year or two would roundout their needs. So here is my lineup and starting rotation for 2010
Lineup
Reyes
Phillips
Wright
Beltran
Holliday-signed 6yrs/$90mil
Delgado-1 yr/$3mil
Francouer
Molina or Olivio-2yrs/$4mil
starting rotation
Santana
Lackey-4yrs/$60mil
Wolf-2yrs/$18mil
Jackson
Maine
Perez
**Pelfrey is traded to Cinn along with Nick Evans for Phillips
**Tejada and Scott Moviel are traded to Detroit for Edwin Jackson
**$44 mil spent on the 5 free agents signed
Posted by: captain crunch | November 15, 2009 at 02:02 PM
what the hell happend to my comment?? it just dissappeared..
Posted by: metsfan(sigh) | November 15, 2009 at 02:06 PM
Lackey, Wolf, and Holliday will all sign for more money.
Posted by: brian91388 | November 15, 2009 at 02:06 PM
beckett lester ur an idiot...first off davis can also play OF and shits on ur precious lars anderson..second off..my proposal would be
f-mart,davis,flores,niese,and parnell and i think that would have a strong possibility of getting accepted..and newsflash kid..THE RED SOX PROSPECTS ARE NOT THAT GREAT...
Posted by: metsfan(sigh) | November 15, 2009 at 02:11 PM
Ok, but the Mets prospects are worse so...
Posted by: brian91388 | November 15, 2009 at 02:17 PM