Mariners Sign Eric Byrnes

The Mariners have signed outfielder Eric Byrnes to a one-year deal, according to a team press release.

Arizona released the 33-year-old earlier this month after he hit just .218/.271/.382 in 482 plate appearances during the first two seasons of the three-year, $30MM extension he signed prior to the 2008 season. The Diamondbacks are still on the hook for Byrnes' $11MM salary in 2010, less whatever the Mariners are paying him (likely the league minimum).

To make room for Byrnes on the roster, Seattle designated first baseman Tommy Everidge for assignment, reports Ryan Divish of The Tacoma News Tribune (via Twitter). They had just claimed Everidge off waivers from the Athletics two weeks ago.


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  1. Guest 6 years ago

    Jack Z, you are unbelieveble. With Surprises such as Gutierrez and Aardsma, It wouldn’t be totally out of sorts if Z made another great move and Byrnes would have a comeback season.

    I thought he would be a good fit for the M’s for the platoon sake with Bradley and Jr.

    Another Mariners move!! Nice!

    • Really? I look at it as more like a clueless move. Why claim Everidge (and pay for him) if you are planning on signing another player anyway? Also, doesn’t the fact that the D’back released Byrnes still owing him millions have any bearing on how well he can be expected to perform, or will the M’s be happy with .218/.271/.382 ?

      • DickAlmighty 6 years ago

        Dude, what you’ve forgotten is that Jack Z can do no wrong, and Dave Cameron has endorsed the move. So… does anything more need to be said? You can bring your facts and numbers; M’s fans are bringing the faith!!

  2. universalguru 6 years ago

    A bit shocking to be honest. With Bradley and Langerhans also in tow and at a one year guaranteed deal this all but ensures that they’re done upgrading the offense. Maybe their payroll is more strapped than once thought.

    • jthec 6 years ago

      Or they’ll have Bradley DH mostly and either have Langerhans as a bench player or rotate him and Byrnes at LF. Bradley should not play the field given his injury history

    • jthec 6 years ago

      and i think they’ll make at least one more move to sign a #3 pitcher

      • marinersarmy 6 years ago

        I’m praying so! I like RRS at #4 and Snell at #5 better…

  3. diehardmets 6 years ago

    Lucky Mariners fans! Must be nice to have a competent GM, owner, and FO.

    Good signing. I think the Mariners will go places this year.

    • scottandwtb 6 years ago

      I agree with that statement.

    • Guest 6 years ago

      Agreed, I still think they have some money…

      Possibly Jarrod Washburn and/or Joe Beimel?

    • marinersarmy 6 years ago

      GM yes, very competent. I love him.

      Owner, lives in Japan, not sure if he knows everything that’s going on. As long as Ichiro’s happy.

      FO, I still hate Chuck Armstrong and Howard Lincoln, they’re still more business men than baseball knowledge-able. They just got lucky this time. They’ve still chosen/hired more bad (ie – Bavasi, Woodward, etc.) than good.

  4. HoneyNutIchiro 6 years ago

    Definitely a low risk/medium reward type of signing. With Arizona footing most of the bill why not take a chance on him?

    If healthy, his hard-nosed style will win over the M’s fans.

  5. Alldaybaseball 6 years ago

    You might want to delete the extra “t” on hit. Also Seems like a weird signing considering they already have good gloved outfielders. They need someone with a bat, and Safeco is a big park.

    • rbtcattail 6 years ago

      The lineup was too lefty heavy, they M’s needed a competent right handed outfield bat when there is a lefty on the hill and someone to give Bradley some days off from the OF to keep him healthy.

  6. rbtcattail 6 years ago

    It is a great time to be a M’s fan. This gives the M’s their LF when there is a LHP on the bump and leaves whatever is left of the payroll for a #3 starter.

  7. obtb555 6 years ago

    I’m not happy about this move at all. Byrnes is a polarizing guy, just like Bradley. Having both of them in the clubhouse is a bad call, even if we do have Griffey in house.

    • rbtcattail 6 years ago

      Based upon what do you say this? His appearances on Fox during the all star game? His love of bull dogs? I don’t recall any bad press on Eric Byrnes’ clubhouse presence or public fights with his teams. In fact everything I find is quite the contrary.

    • Never really thought of that. Could be an interesting season.

      • obtb555 6 years ago

        I live in Denver now and was here during the Rockies run to the Pennant. Every series the D’bags played against the Rockies, Byrnes always had some snide comment for the Rockos, and every time he’d take it back.

        I may be biased as I was here for Rocktober and the fan base here absolutely hates him. However, I will say that Byrnes antagonized this city’s fans like no other player I’ve ever seen. In that respect, he is polarizing.

        • Maximus_Mansteel 6 years ago

          Who cares if opposing teams’ fan bases like him? All that matters is that he produces and generally gets along with his teammates. Bradley is a completely different story given his history of feuds that affect the clubhouse he’s in.

          • obtb555 6 years ago

            Geez guys, all I’m saying is I don’t understand the move. Putting a guy in who might possibly give us media issues when we’ve already got a guy who has the potential for disturbing the clubhouse, just a risky move.

          • dusto 6 years ago

            You gotta be kidding, right? Byrnes? polarizing and a “media junkie”? I’d hardly put him on par with Bradley. Infact he would be an anti-Bradley type of guy. He’s “gutty” and a “team player”. obto555 I’m not so sure your opinion on Byrnes is as acurate as you think.

  8. skoods 6 years ago

    Give me a break…he’s done.

  9. crunchy1 6 years ago

    I wonder if the reaction to this signing would have been different had Drayton Moore done it.

    • MoBigsly 6 years ago

      Well, Dayton Moore would have paid $5MM of the $11MM he’s owed.

      • crunchy1 6 years ago

        I doubt it. I’m not here to defend Moore, I’m not a Royals fan, but I don’t think any team would have paid more than the minimum.

    • universalguru 6 years ago

      Yes because he’d have tried to give him $4 million. Truth is since he couldn’t sign for more than league minimum (I believe) there was no incentive for him to play for anyone but a competitor or at least someone that promised playing time.

      • jthec 6 years ago

        well either way he’s getting $11 mill (unless someone gave him a $12 mill contract), it just depends on who gives it to him. if he signed a $4 mill contract with someone then the Dbacks would only have to pay $7 mill so there’s really no motive to sign a bigger contract

      • crunchy1 6 years ago

        I agree that because he was already getting paid big bucks by the D-Backs he had a little autonomy about choosing where to play — west coast, contender, playing time, etc. but I don’t agree that Moore would have given him more than the minimum. But this really isn’t about Moore anyway. I think this is a so-so move…nothing special and the point is that the Mariners can do absolutely anything and it will get lauded. Don’t get me wrong, I like what they’ve done this offseason overall, but not everything (i.e. the Morrow trade, settling on Kotchman at 1b) has been outstanding. I think this signing falls into that category…it’s a hum-drum acquisition and really not the best fit for the Ms right now.

  10. Dammit Mariners. Another good low risk, high upside signing.

  11. rootman1010 6 years ago

    great move by the M’s. it will be nice to put him in left and bradley at DH against lefties to keep bradley and junior rested.

    how about this lineup?

    1. Ichiro rf
    2. Figgins 3b
    3. Gutierrez cf
    4. Lopez 2b
    5. Bradley lf/DH
    6. Griffey Jr. dh/Byrnes lf
    7. Kotchman 1b
    8. Wilson ss
    9. Moore c

    i feel like lots of these guys are interchangeable as far as where they hit in the lineup…

  12. universalguru 6 years ago

    I’d rather the line-up look like this…

    Ichiro
    Figgins
    Gutierrez
    Bradley
    Kotchman
    Lopez
    Griffey/Byrnes
    Wilson
    Moore/Johnson

    Lopez’s low OBP would be better suited lower in the line-up. Still would love a prototypical clean up hitter but that seems unlikely… until the deadline at least.

  13. njmariner88 6 years ago

    I don’t understand the logic behind everyone complaining about the lack of power in this line-up. If you have a bunch of players who get on base at a high frequency, then you are bound to put up runs. This is a line-up of limited pop, but high on base %. Two singles by Ichiro and Figgins, and a double by Bradley = two rbi’s. I’m not gonna write of this line-up any time soon.

  14. pinkiepinkerton 6 years ago

    The Mariners have pretty much become a sabermetric wet dream team. Baseball nerds everywhere (including myself) are so intrigued by what this team will do this year. My guess is that outside of Cliff Lee, big baseball media isn’t going to think much of this squad’s offseason. Their gonna look at BA and HR’s and say this team doesn’t have nough firepower. They are probably mistaken.

    I have to say that I’m pleased this is happening to a west coast team. This means I’ll get to catch some great baseball every night after my favorite squad is done.

    As a side note, and I know I’m gonna catch a lot of flack for this, I would rather see Figgins bat leadoff for this squad. He has posted a better OBP averaged over the last three seasons than Ichiro and has more stolen bases. On top of that, I would rather have a guy that works the count at leadoff and a guy who can handle the stick at #2 then vice versa. Now, bring it on.

    • universalguru 6 years ago

      To play devil’s advocate Ichiro hits a lot of infield singles that would be death to advancing runners. He may be better off leading off.

  15. qudjy1 6 years ago

    Byrnes and Bradley together at last. … hehe.

  16. jdub220 6 years ago

    People keep applauding Jack Z for this, calling it a low risk/high upside signing (based on the first 25 or so comments, I didn’t read them all), but this is anything but that.

    Byrnes is and will be awful, unless he seriously revamps his swing. He takes an extreme uppercut, has a lot of head movement, and has really bad timing. His defense is above average according to UZR, but he makes too many boneheaded mistakes due to his false “hardnosed play.”

    I may be biased against him as a Dbacks fan, but Byrnes is just a bad player. I was a big fan of all Jack Z’s moves until this. Hope you like popups, M’s fans.

    • DickAlmighty 6 years ago

      Agree. I’d call it a low-risk, low-upside signing. Eric Byrnes washed up: A 34-year-old hacker/”speedster” (yikes), whose “power” has evaporated, and who tracks flyballs on defense like a bat using sonar. Nothing to see here. Move along.

    • rodney654 6 years ago

      Byrnes even when he has been horrible the last two seasons still mashes lefties.

      The guy can hammer left handed pitching even when he’s been hurt.

      He also plays average to above average defense. He’s a very good platoon option in LF, making the league minimum. Hard not to like the move.

  17. djperalta 6 years ago

    Bummer, was hoping the Giants picked him up. If he didnt work out in RF/LF he could have subbed very well up in the Radio booth for KNBR, give John Miller a night off here and there! Haha!

  18. Hopefully Mr. Byrnes can revive his career in Seattle. If he stays healthy I could see him hitting .272 13 homers 46 RBIs in part time in Seattle. I remember Byrnes was the man in MVP 05 with Oakland. So he has been with Oakland, Colorado, Baltimore, Arizona, Seattle.

  19. formerdraftpick 6 years ago

    I’m happy that the M’s are relinquishing Tommy Everidge. I thought he would be more of a fit on the Pirates, Braves or Mets. I would just like to see the guy get a chance and showcase his talent. As for the M’s, they are assembling quite a team. Let’s hope that the players they’ve picked can all bounce back.

  20. jdkladsjl 6 years ago

    Eric Byrnes is pretty washed up, his numbers have greatley declined. I wouldnt get to excited over this signing.

  21. coolstorybro222 6 years ago

    So its offical, Bradley’s the DH and he’s the LF.

  22. crunchy1 6 years ago

    Bradley’s a real cleanup hitter?

  23. universalguru 6 years ago

    Kotchman went .372,.467,.840 in 2007. I think the M’s are hoping for him to turn it around. Maybe not to that level but he could be an .800 guy again. He certainly has the talent.

  24. DickAlmighty 6 years ago

    Here’s how I’d construct the M’s lineup:
    Figgins 3b
    Ichiro rf
    Bradley lf
    Griffey dh
    Lopez 2b
    Kotchman 1b
    Gutierrez cf
    Johnson c
    Wilson ss

    Gutierrez in the 3-hole is a mistake; dude’s a 320-330 OBP sinkhole, with below-average to average power. You don’t yank your best hitter (Milton Bradley) out of the 3-hole because you need him batting cleanup; you stick your best hitter in the 3-hole, and figure out cleanup later. I’d also advocate hitting Figgins leadoff (to split up the switch-hitters) and Ichiro second (allowing him to use his excellent bat control to find holes created by Figgins’ baserunning), although I know the idea of moving Ichiro from the leadoff spot wouldn’t go over so well in Seattle.

    Again, you still have to deal with the fact that Milton Bradley is somewhat likely to spend time on the DL this year, which leaves you in a bind (3-hitter on the DL for a chunk of games). And, as I said below, this is always he problem with Milton. He’s a good enough hitter to build an offense around; unfortunately, you can’t build an offense around him because he’s not in the lineup 20-30% of the time.

    (By the way, it’s not just that Milton’s injury-prone, and if he can just stay healthy he’ll play 140-150 games and get 600+ plate appearances. Milton’s one of those players who is known for not playing through injuries. This likely keeps his numbers artificially inflated; he only plays when he knows he’s in peak condition, while other players play every day, even when they have some nicks and bruises.)

  25. Maximus_Mansteel 6 years ago

    I agree, Bradley’s not a cleanup hitter. Season high of 22 HRs, no other seasons over 20. His skillset (in years he is healthy and performs) is getting on base. He would probably be a solid #2 hitter, it seems like the best place for him, but so long as the M’s have both Ichiro and Figgins, that’s not going to happen. My guess would be something in the middle of the lineup, but lower than cleanup. Perhaps the 5 or 6 spot?

  26. Alldaybaseball 6 years ago

    Where does Bard fit in with the catching plans then? Will Rob be healthy by opening day? Don’t you think French has a better chance of cracking the rotation than Fister? Do you really think there is a chance that Webb would be with the Mariners Opening Day?

  27. DickAlmighty 6 years ago

    I did the leg work. It was simple. It didn’t take much time. Byrnes career OPS+ v. LHP is 123. Somewhat impressive. But then I looked at his OPS+ splits v. LHP the last three years: 95 in ’07; 109 in ’08; 95 in ’09. Over the last three years, Byrnes has a below league-average OPS v. LHP. Last time he “murdered” lefties was in 2006.

    I advocate the idea of people using relevant statistics when making a point. Byrnes murdered lefties during his prime (when he was 30 years old). Now he’s a hacker with a mediocre batting eye and decreasing bat speed (bad combo), who doesn’t have a particular platoon advantage against either handed-pitcher.

    Also, the D-Backs aren’t trading Webb (signed for one year at $8.5m), unless the M’s give up some studs. Might not take Ackley or Triunfel, but anyone else in the M’s system would probably have to be available (and possibly Triunfel would too).

  28. pinkiepinkerton 6 years ago

    In the words of John Madden…BOOM!

  29. crunchy1 6 years ago

    Hyperbole? I think calling Milton Bradley a cleanup hitter is an excellent example of hyperbole. And I’m not the only one here who thinks that…”I agree, Bradley’s not a cleanup hitter.””Still would love a prototypical clean up hitter but that seems unlikely… until the deadline at least.”Hmmm…I guess it’s not so unaminous after all. I also wonder why so few teams were banging down the Cubs door when they were trying to give away such an extraordinary cleanup hitter away for basically nothing. Maybe you should fax every other team your dissertation/rant on wOBA. If I thought you would react with such long winded indignation to a simple question, I would have asked someone who isn’t so easily offended.

  30. DickAlmighty 6 years ago

    Bradley’s an average cleanup hitter (that’s about what your stats prove), until he’s not. That’s always the problem with Bradley. You can’t make him one of the centerpieces of your offense because there’s about an 80% chance he spends a significant chunk of the season on the DL (94 days in ’05, 79 days in ’06, 66 days in ’07). So, basically, the M’s have a decent, but not amazing cleanup hitter in Bradley, who probably has a 50-50 shot of spending a chunk of time on the DL. After that… Jose Lopez slides into the cleanup spot? Yikes.

  31. crunchy1 6 years ago

    Comments like Byrnes being a so-so addition and not being a great fit or that I don’t think Bradley is an ideal cleanup hitter, or saying that I liked what the Mariners have done so far, but that I don’t like every move…yeah, those are real negative. They just sound like opinions to me. Yet because you don’t agree with them you get all worked up and feel even offended though I didn’t say anything to you personally (or is it because my comments were, what was it you said?…”aimed at undermining your thesis”?) — then you resort to name-calling. Well, really it’s not that important to me. If you want to believe Bradley’s wOBA and wRC+ make him a great cleanup hitter than go right on believing it. Don’t feel like you have to justify it to me.

  32. ryujinda 6 years ago

    Yep, he is a legitimate cleanup hitter. Couldn’t agree more. Oh, and it’s nice to see wOBA used in the agument as opposed to using a poly stat like homerun…it really is a stat that is overlooked by many.

  33. Guest 6 years ago

    man you have no clue what teams are ‘assuming’ of Webb right now. He’s not going to be traded before opening day, you really can’t believe that.

  34. Guest 6 years ago

    wow you really are dumb, aren’t you? They got edwin jackson for long-term??? you do realize how much service time he has right? And how especially significant that is especially if the diamondbacks decide to throw in the towel this year and trade webb, right? Also, you realize they traded 5 years of max scherzer for 2 years of edwin jackson, and you think they’re trying to build for the future? figure out what you’re talking about.

  35. Guest 6 years ago

    haha okay buddy we’ll wait and see if he gets traded, and when he doesn’t, i’ll assume that you want to apologize and admit you had no clue. highly touted ian kennedy? hahaha

  36. jdkladsjl 6 years ago

    Why would damon go back to the yankees? The Yankees just signed Winn, they def do not need another outfielder.

  37. Guest 6 years ago

    of course he’ll be traded at the deadline if he has any value and the dbacks fall out of the race, that’s not at all what we were talking about

  38. Guest 6 years ago

    also, ill apologize now, not a big enough deal to continue a huge argument over.

  39. crunchy1 6 years ago

    But you wrote a whole “thesis” (sorry, but that still cracks me up) on how Bradley is a real cleanup hitter. Shouldn’t a real cleanup hitter be an impact bat? Why would Jack Z need to trade for one by spring training? Is it because Bradley is a good, but not great player on paper but a completely different story in the real world? Is it because he’ll miss time on the DL and/or from suspensions? Is it because there is a very real possibility that he’s one more blow up away from getting released? Most other GMs seem to think so. But I guess there’s always Griffey-15 lbs. and the fantasy of a future trade for Crawford in the works.

    There’s a whole a lot of ifs and maybe to your “thesis”…good luck with that.

  40. DickAlmighty 6 years ago

    You can’t “safeguard” Milton. Texas tried to “safeguard” Milton in 2008 by playing him at DH, and he still only played 126 games and had fewer than 500 PA’s.

    It’s not that Milton’s “injury-prone.” Every baseball player gets injured. It’s that Milton doesn’t play through injuries. So, even if he’s healthy, as he was in Texas (spending no time on the DL the whole season), he still misses almost 25% of the team’s games (due to managerial decisions, or due to his own requests to have a day off). Milton’s also turning 32 this season, which means he’s at the point where players’ bodies tend to break down. Milton with a slightly older man’s body; I’m guessing he misses at least 40 games this season, maybe more, even if the M’s do “protect” him by playing him mostly at DH (does this mean Griffey in LF?).

    Let me clarify: I’m not saying Milton’s not a good bat when he’s in the lineup (he’s the best bat the M’s have, in terms of contribution to run-scoring). I’m just saying, Milton’s not in the lineup enough to be an impact bat for his team over the course of a season.

    Final point: I’m not sure the M’s have the prospects they need to land an impact bat. Unless Ackley or Truinfel is on the table, no one’s giving up a Crawford-caliber bat in Spring Training on the basis of a hot spring for a Jennings-caliber prospect.

  41. DickAlmighty 6 years ago

    Langerhans = no upside. Langerhans isn’t a MLB-caliber player, no matter how many things “go correct.”
    Better than Langerhans = low upside. Byrnes is low-upside.

    For the sake of argument, I’ll use your definition of upside. “Upside refers to the maximum potential a player can obtain if all things ‘go correct.'”

    I suppose we have different opinions of what Byrnes can achieve, if all things go correct. Byrnes has spent the last two years not playing significant chunks of each season. He missed 118 days in 2008 with hammy problems. Last year, he missed 71 days with a fractured hand. He’s also 34 years old now.

    Hitting is a highly-technical, highly-refined practice that relies on repetition, hand-eye coordination, muscle memory, etc. All of these things degrade with (1) age, (2) lack of practice, and (3) too much time spent in the Fox baseball studio with Jeanie “Dude Looks Like a Lady” Zolasco.

    The idea that, because Byrnes is healthy now (you assume so), he can simply return to his 2006 or 2007 form, is too simplistic. Baseball players who lose significant time to injuries, especially in their mid-30s, do not simply return to form. I don’t have the numbers in front of me (I’m not sure anyone does), but I can point to countless examples of guys who, while apparently healthy, fell off a cliff at age 34-35. In summary, I simply don’t believe that things can go correct enough for Byrnes for him to return to his peak form (2006/2007) when he’s now in his mid-30s coming off two injury-plagued seasons.

    I’m not saying this isn’t a low-risk signing. I agree with you there. I just disagree that Byrnes has a high upside. I may be wrong; but, I bet I’m right.

  42. DickAlmighty 6 years ago

    Dude, I didn’t log out and click that I liked my own comment. The fact you’d even notice or comment on such a thing suggests (1) you are way to concerned with what people think, and (2) you have way too much time on your hands. As for Byrnes, I answered your comments in one of the threads above, but I’ll give you a quick summary here. To summarize: Byrnes has spent the last two years not playing baseball for significant chunks of the season (and spending excessive amounts of time being unfunny on Fox baseball broadcasts); expecting him to return to his 2006-207 form (even if he is “healthy”) is unrealistic, and doesn’t take into account how physically difficult it is to play baseball.

    Hitting isn’t something you simply pick back up, like riding a bike. Muscle memory. Hand-eye coordination. These things degrade with age and lack of practice. Even if he is healthy, Byrnes isn’t the same hitter he was two to three years ago, prior to these injuries. If you (or Dave Cameron, who I think is a great writer, but who simply can’t be objective when it comes to Jack Z moves) thinks the time off and the injuries are irrelevant, you’re both wrong.

  43. DickAlmighty 6 years ago

    3 hitter. He’s not ideal #3. But, he’s the best hitter the M’s have right now.

  44. DickAlmighty 6 years ago

    Rosterbator:
    You need to learn how to settle down, how not to take every word posted in a reply as a direct response to you, and how not to offend people you don’t know. Calling people “counting stat idiots” (or just plain “idiots”) doesn’t make your point any stronger, it just makes you sound like a pompous a-hole.

    In response to the substance of your argument, if you had read any of my other posts, you’d see that I, too, think Milton has a middle-of-the-order bat (indeed, in response to your proposed lineup, I suggested Milton bat #3 for the M’s instead of cleanup). My original response (that Milton was an average cleanup hitter, again admitting that he is a middle-of-the-order bat, until he gets injured) was a response to your diatribe on why Milton qualifies as a middle-of-the-order bat based on RATE stats. (My response conceded the point you are trying to make: WHEN Milton’s in the lineup, he’s a middle-of-the-order bat. Yet, you continue to argue this point as if I’m disagreeing with you.)

    Your response seemed to show that you comprehended the point I was trying to make, because your next argument was that the M’s would “safeguard” Milton by sticking him at DH.

    My response (the one you so kindly replied to above), was that you cannot “safeguard” Milton because he doesn’t play through injuries. My conclusion was that, even if Milton’s a middle-of-the-order bat 70-75% of the time, he can’t be an “impact bat” for the M’s because they’ll have to find a replacement for him 25-30% of the time. I wasn’t saying you called him an impact bat; I was using a frequently-used description of a player (he’s an impact bat) to summarize my point that Milton, even if he is a middle-of-the-order quality bat based on his rate stats, isn’t the kind of bat you can build an offense around because he doesn’t start 25-30% of his games, even when healthy.

    My response was directly on point. You’re ALL CAPS tirade was what took us off point. If you read all of my posts, you’ll see I’m right, and that you need to spend a little less time fuming over what you perceive as other people’s idiocy and affronts on your saber-superiority. Now, kindly remove your finger from the shift button, and try to have a civil discussion without blowing another gasket.

  45. DickAlmighty 6 years ago

    I’m not entering into this dispute; I’m just dropping in to point out that it’s easy to win an argument over whether someone’s an “impact bat” when you assume your own definition of “impact bat” is correct (“[a]n impact bat is based on the ability to change the game when you are in the lineup”). That’s a fair definition of impact bat; just pointing out that Crunchy1 may have a different definition of impact bat.

    Before you guys go nuts over whether Milton’s an impact bat, you may want to set the ground rules (i.e., define impact bat). Crunchy1 seems to include expected time missed due to injury/suspension in his definition of “impact bat” (“Is it because Bradley is a good, but not great player on paper but a completely different story in the real world? Is it because he’ll miss time on the DL and/or from suspensions? Is it because there is a very real possibility that he’s one more blow up away from getting released?). Rosterbator, you don’t. Maybe you should settle that before tearing each other apart.

  46. crunchy1 6 years ago

    I’m just amused at how you are just dying for people to think you’re so intelligent…so I prefer to imagine you mean “thesis” in the academic sense. Then again, if it were an academic thesis, it wouldn’t be riddled with run-on sentences, comma splices and misspellings (i.e. “rediculous”). Sabermetrics aren’t difficult to understand — if anything, it’s pretty intuitive stuff most of the time. I’m actually a fan of stats like wOBA and WAR (not a big fan of UZR though – mostly because it’s often misused, in my opinion). I think you’re wasting a lot of energy trying to make me feel stupid about it. I think that’s usually how it works with these things, however. There always seems to be the assumption that the other guy doesn’t understand sabermetrics and, for some, it breeds contempt. When I referred to the “real world”, by the way, it was the world in which Milton Bradley actually has to play. It had nothing to do with statistics. You added that part yourself. You might want to go back and read that again. Staying on the field has been an issue. Playing nice with others is another problem. He’s a talented baseball player but, unfortunately, he has a tendency to get hurt and do self-destructive things. It would have been nice to see what kind of player he could have been had he been more stable mentally and physically.

  47. crunchy1 6 years ago

    Very well said. We had the same idea, but you said it so much better than I did.

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