Brian Giles Retires

Outfielder Brian Giles announced his retirement today, tweets Dylan Hernandez of the L.A. TimesThe Dodgers had signed Giles to a minor league deal on February 7th, and soon after he told MLB.com's Ken Gurnick it wouldn't take long to decide whether his knee could hold up physically.

Though he's not a household name, Giles finishes with an excellent .291/.400/.502 line in 7,835 career plate appearances for the Indians, Pirates, and Padres.  Giles' career OBP currently ranks 59th all-time.  Giles made two All-Star appearances and received MVP votes in five seasons.  He was involved in a blockbuster trade in August of '03, joining the Padres for Jason Bay, Oliver Perez, and Cory Stewart.  According to Baseball Reference, Giles earned about $81MM in his career.


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36 Comments on "Brian Giles Retires"


wintwins
5 years 5 months ago

I guess he decided Dougie Mientkiewicz was just too good and didn’t wanna play for those Topes

Mario Saavedra
5 years 5 months ago

I believe corey stewart went to the pirates from the padres in that deal, it was a 3 for 1.

Yankees10
5 years 5 months ago

So what you are saying is if a person has a good OPS they deserve to be in the HOF and therefore home runs, hits, RBI’s dont mean anything. Thats great.

My bad not a response to your post, the one below.

5 years 5 months ago

Brian Giles was a juicer, so no, he doesn’t deserve Hall of Fame discussion.
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The Pittsburgh/San Diego trade that sent Giles to the Padres was not a blockbuster. Pitt was roundly ridiculed for the deal at the time because Jason Bay was not considered a top prospect.

5 years 5 months ago

Huh, I wouldn’t have thought that Giles pulled down more cash than Nomar.

eldiablo505
5 years 5 months ago

Good riddance to a bad person.

He probably was well behind Garrett Anderson at this point in terms of the Dodgers’ plans.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

What??? Come on now.. Giles was a OBP machine, if he had anything left in the tank he would of made a great pinch hitter. Anderson has never even tried to take a pitch, EVER.

Luckily Coletti picked up Johnson.

eldiablo505
5 years 5 months ago

Neither Anderson nor Giles are wonderful options at this point in their careers. They’re different players and Giles was superior to Anderson in their primes but like I said, their primes are well past now.

Not a huge bit of news, seeing as how it was a minor league deal and all, but I’m still not going to shed a tear that he’s gone.

So this means Doug M. versus Garrett A. for the LH pinch hitter role and X. Paul versus Reed Johnson (not sure what to make of Repko) for the RH role slash backup outfielder?

coolstorybro222
5 years 5 months ago

Ah. Wow. Thank god that happened because it seemed they took a giant step back when they signed him.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

I know right, he was gonna take Ethier’s spot.

vtadave
5 years 5 months ago

Giles was brought in to challenge Kemp for playing time, not Ethier. Gt your facts straight.

ivdown
5 years 5 months ago

If Manny wasn’t careful, I think Giles might have snaked LF from him.

barroomhero
5 years 5 months ago

Sort of funny to look back on Cleveland trading Giles to Pittsburgh for Ricardo Rincon. Man, THAT has to go down as one of the worst trades in the past 20 years. Giles had an awesome stretch in Pitt after that.

eedwards027
5 years 5 months ago

Roids! I think its funny to hear Brian Giles and HOF in the same sentence.

Dodgerblue18
5 years 5 months ago

Too many people worship OPS like it’s some sort of godly stat. Well wake up because there is more to baseball than OPS which I read about nonstop on here lol. Sure there are certain guys past their prime (i.e. Brian Giles and G.A.) but to solely focus on OPS as a means to get into the HOF is laaame and sadly is what a lot of posters on here would do if they were the ones judging the decisions. If you want to talk stats then throw all of the stats out there. Don’t continuously yap about OPS because that stat is really weak and seems to be pretty trendy as of late in the baseball world.

ivdown
5 years 5 months ago

You do realize OBP and Slugging % are 2 of the very most important stats for a hitter? Combine them…and you get OPS. It’s not perfect (what stat is?), because it can penalize any speedster type of player because they generally will not hit for a high Slugging %, but overall it’s very good. But just like with any % stat, you need to look at sample size. Giles had just over 6,500 at bats, and just over 1,800 hits. Obviously he didn’t play long enough to where that .900 OPS would matter in a HOF discussion. Now if he had 2,000 more at bats, preferably earlier in his career, that would be a different story. If he had those 2,000 more at bats, he could have around 90-100 more homeruns (average 25 per every 572 at bats), 350-375 more RBIs (averaged 95 per 572 at bats), 400 more runs, around 120 more doubles, and 400 more walks.

If that were have to happened, we would be looking at a Brian Giles with about 370 homeruns, 1,450 RBIs, 1,500 Runs, 1,500 walks, 530 doubles, and a career line of around .291/.400/.502. That would be close to a borderline HOFer. But as the real case is, Giles had far few too at bats to be able to put himself into a position to be in a real position to be placed in the HOF.

Tommy_Blackjack
5 years 5 months ago

Since we’re talking HOF here, and who should and should not be in, here’s a few pennies from me. Two guys not in the HOF who should be.

Steve Garvey and Gil Hodges.

I’m sure someone has some stat against them, but look at their careers, and the fact that I’ve heard some writers say they look for is “Were they dominiant in the era they played?” as how they judge a HOF player, how are these two greats not in the Hall?

aap212
5 years 5 months ago

Because they weren’t actually dominant? Both of them were memorable and very famous, but neither of them were true greats. Hodges was an integral part of a great team, but being very, very good on a great team isn’t the same as being great. Tony Perez got in on that logic, and that was wrong, too. Hodges in his best years was at best the fourth or so best player on his own team.

There’s a reason there’s a hall of fame AND a hall of fame museum. Garvey and Hodges have a place in the museum with guys like Roger Maris. It’s no knock on them. They’re just not inner circle greats.

aap212
5 years 5 months ago

Great career for Giles, and one of the great short baseball players of recent years. Too bad he spent most of his best years horribly underseen and underrated on mediocre teams. Kind of like a similar player, Bobby Abreu. Neither of them are hall of famers, but they both get plaques in the hall of very good.

FuriousStyles
5 years 5 months ago

81mm not a bad haul.

horatioalgae
5 years 5 months ago

He was a roider, his numbers should be considered “enhanced by PEDs”. I hope he can afford a new pair of ‘nads with his 81mm.

Dodgerblue18
5 years 5 months ago

And who exactly is taking him to court?

rainyperez
5 years 5 months ago

In all honesty Giles played in all those non friendly hitters park he could easily have had more HRs and RBIs…but otherwise whenever I saw that guy hit I thought he looked more like a football player than a baseball player dude was ripped PEDs couldve played a factor but that could be said for all those players during that era…

aap212
5 years 5 months ago

A professional athlete has to be on roids to be ripped? Call off the olympics.

rainyperez
5 years 5 months ago

I don’t think you got my comment at all…I said, “PED’s could’ve played a factor.” I didn’t state that he was on any sort of PEDs. This was me responding to this whole thread. All in all Giles was an underrated player. He was unbelievably hard to strike out and would always put up a battle.

alxn
5 years 5 months ago

great logic

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

Dude just wait until 85 percent of the players we grew up with, never come close.

Yankees10
5 years 5 months ago

So what you are saying is if a person has a good OPS they deserve to be in the HOF and therefore home runs, hits, RBI’s dont mean anything. Thats great.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

Maybe but Rice and Dawson should not be in the HOF.

bjsguess
5 years 5 months ago

I’ll say it … hits, RBI’s, and to an extent, HR’s are all significantly overvalued in today’s voting system. It’s not that we shouldn’t care about them, instead we should recognize that there are other metrics available that do a MUCH better job of evaluating how good a player really was.

Yankees10
5 years 5 months ago

In your opinion. My opinion they should have been in long ago

alxn
5 years 5 months ago

I don’t disagree with you, but you can’t just compare their career OPS and use that as ur basis for deciding who should get in. Not only does it not reflect defense or counting stats, but it is skewed and simply an average. Should a player be punished for a handful of poor seasons at the end of their career that lower their career averages?

bjsguess
5 years 5 months ago

The problem with a stat like OPS is that it doesn’t include variables for league, ballpark, etc. This is huge – especially when comparing guys from different eras. OPS+ is a better (though still flawed stat). Here’s how those numbers look:

Rice – Peak (77 – 83) – OPS+ 140 / Career (74 – 89) – OPS+ 128
Dawson – Peak (80 – 90) – OPS+ 129 / Career (76 – 96) – OPS+ 119
Giles – Peak (99 – 03) – OPS+ 157 / Career (95 – 09) – OPS+ 136

A guy like Rice doesn’t get in if he toils in Atlanta during his career. He is a truly borderline candidate that really benefited from the exposure of playing in Boston. Dawson was better IMO. Longer peak, played outstanding defense and was a great baserunner. He just couldn’t take a walk and his knees did him in after playing on concrete for all those years. Dawson doesn’t make it by his bat alone though. He needed the defense and SB’s to make it. I think he belongs.

Modern stats definitely look favorably upon Giles primarily for one reason – his crazy high OBP. From 99 to 2005 he posted an OBP below 400 just once. Amazing. Giles was also a great all-around player. While he didn’t have massive power (outside a few years) he was just remarkably consistent. Hit for a good average, had decent power, could steal a base and played solid defense. Because he wasn’t outstanding at anything (outside of walking), he was always underappreciated. Playing for Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and San Diego didn’t help with getting his name out there. Later steroid allegations won’t help either.

Giles doesn’t make it though. He needed to play longer to rack up more counting stats or do something special in one of the big categories voters care about (BA, RBI’s, HR’s, SB’s). That’s not to take away anything from him. He was an amazing player for a lot of years. Wish him the best.

Yankees10
5 years 5 months ago

Based on what you have written, Do you think Brian Giles should be in the HOF?

Yankees10
5 years 5 months ago

Ok, so do you think Giles is a HOF?

Yankees10
5 years 5 months ago

Such as? Please dont tell me you are going to say Jim Rice or Andre Dawson.