Ryan Howard Signs Five-Year Extension

Phillies first baseman Ryan Howard signed a five-year, $125MM extension, according to CSN's Jim Salisbury.  The deal includes a $23MM option for 2017 with a $10MM buyout.  Howard is currently under contract through 2011, so the extension runs from 2012 through 2016.  AOL FanHouse's Ed Price tweets the yearly salaries, noting that there is a limited no-trade clause.  Hot stove junkies won't be seeing Howard join Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder, and Adrian Gonzalez in the 2012 free agent class.

Howard is in his age 30 season, so the contract begins with his age 32 season.  The length makes this an unnecessary risk, and at $25MM a year the Phillies didn't get a discount for taking the gamble and locking him up two years before free agency.  Tip of the cap to agent Casey Close, who negotiated the deal. 

Back in '08 Howard set a first-time arbitration record with a $10MM salary.  A year later he signed a three-year, $54MM extension to buy out his remaining arbitration years.  The Phillies clearly like to lock up their guys.


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139 Comments on "Ryan Howard Signs Five-Year Extension"


04Forever
5 years 4 months ago

there goes alot of hopes and dreams for other teams

Guest
5 years 4 months ago

No, they can still hope and dream for Jayson Werth!

04Forever
5 years 4 months ago

Im not exactly sold Werth is in the same league of skill as Howard. Howard has been a Home Run threat every year now since he has started playing in the majors, Werth just got good over a career of sluggish so-so years. Smart move by the Phillies if this is accurate, they are signing the right guy to a longer deal

richphillies
5 years 4 months ago

Werth has much better platoon splits, can steal bases, see a ton of pitches and draw a bunch of walks (Ryan has just 3 this year, 2 of which are intentional!), and he can play any outfield position. I think all that makes him a better player.

04Forever
5 years 4 months ago

IF he produces on the level he did last year, sure.

leviticus6688
5 years 4 months ago

Unnecessary to the nth degree. There’s a good chance they’ll end up regretting this when he’s 34 or 35.

bustercherrie
5 years 4 months ago

I don’t know about that. I think the guy will be productive late into his 30’s. I wouldn’t sign him past this contract, but I think that the Phillies will be okay and I commend them for locking up Howard. Pending the dollar amount I like the deal so far, let’s see how we feel after we see the amount.

5 years 4 months ago

This is just a ridiculous, ridiculous contract.

leviticus6688
5 years 4 months ago

Agreed, it’s already got to be among the 8-10 worst contracts in baseball already.

On an unrelated note, you and I share the same last name.

5 years 4 months ago

how can you say this is a bad contract. we are talking about a guy who puts constantly over 45+ 140+ RBI’s?

jwsox
5 years 4 months ago

please dont count RBI’s they have very little to do with the actual batter, RBI’s have more to do with the runners on and less with the batter RBI’s are more or a team stat, much like wins and losses for pitchers

5 years 4 months ago

Because his real numbers show he’s generally in the 2nd tier of first basemen at best.

Pujols, Gonzalez, Teixeira, Votto, Youkilis, Fielder, and Cabrera have all been better offensively in 2008 and 2009, and he’s always been just an average defensive player.

They could have saved their money for a better 1B or used it elsewhere. Instead they’re dramatically overpaying even if he were younger.

5 years 4 months ago

Second Tier? We are talking about a guy who has been in the top 5 of MVP voting 4 of five years and won an MVP. but i gues we shouldnt count that either? Other than Pujols he is best pure power hitter in the game. what real numbers are you guys talking about. a power hitter is judged on the ability to hit home runs and knock people in.

mstevenk
5 years 4 months ago

thats the most ridiculous thing i’ve ever read that Joey Votto is a better offensive player than Ryan Howard, the guy consistently drives in 140+ runs and has 45+ HR’s. That’s like saying you’d rather have Dan Uggla than Chase Utley, both Votto and Uggla are nice players, but Utley and Howard are putting up HOF numbers and will for the next 8-10 years.

jwsox
5 years 4 months ago

Utley has a 100% better chance at the HOF than howard does. Not saying howard is not a good player but come on how many power hitters are out there…tons. and a lot of them dont make it to the hall of fame. STOP WITH RBIS its not a stat about the hitter just so you know if you were to say batting average with runner in scoring position thats a better stats than rbis…Howard has sub par defense strikes out A LOT and does not have that great of a Average…so I dont know if you can say howard is a hall of famer

5 years 4 months ago

Ryan Howard is on a historic pace in regards to home runs and in the top 5 of MVP voting every year and won an MVP. you people are buts to say he is a second tier first baseman and than say votto and youk are better than him. just stop.

richphillies
5 years 4 months ago

He’s on a historic pace for nothing. He’s already 30 years old. Yes, he hits a lot of HR. He also debuted when he was like 25.

markjsunz
5 years 4 months ago

Not sure what you are talking about Howard is one of the best RBI and home run hitters in the game.Without Howard you would not have won a world series. He is a large man so prehaps he is not a gold glover but he is good enough. You are the same fans that booed Mike Schmidt.

5 years 4 months ago

Have you guys ever heard of OPS? (SLG+OBP) He (Howard) finished 9th last year among MLB 1B – and it tells you a lot more about a player than RBI does. RBI is more a function of how many people are getting on base ahead of you, and Howard happens to be planted in the most potent lineup in the National League. If you’re looking for a fantasy first-basemen to plug your HR and RBI, Howard’s your man. But he’s not a top 5 1B in terms of real productive value. Check out fangraphs.com and look at some of the more advanced statistics.

markjsunz
5 years 4 months ago

I guess the philly ownership is not very impressed with your stats.The whole moneyball, bill james stat thing is a bust.

5 years 4 months ago

“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” :)

I forgot the Phillies had such a long, storied history of being successful. And of course, their recent success couldn’t possibly be attributed to the other incredible players *around* Howard…

markjsunz
5 years 4 months ago

Nice quote, I bet you can not tell me who you are quoting?

Yankees420
5 years 4 months ago

I bet you can’t either.

markjsunz
5 years 4 months ago

Any amount you would like to wager I will bet you.

Yankees420
5 years 4 months ago

The fact that you would suggest betting someone in a comment section is laughable in itself, but just for shits and giggles let’s make the wager Howard’s new contract total.

markjsunz
5 years 4 months ago

I did not think you knew the answer knucklehead, it is Abraham Lincoln whose quote you quoted. Go throw up on a little girl watching the game with her chief of police father. Only in the city of brotherly love.

Yankees420
5 years 4 months ago

Whoops, I obviously can’t read very far down the page. Anyway, back to the point, while there is evidence to suggest Lincoln did say something along the lines of the quote above, there is also evidence that about a dozen other historically famous people have also been “quoted” as saying something practically identical. The truth is that the message the quote portrays originated in the Bible:

“Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.” -Proverbs 17:28

So, yeah Kyle could’ve been quoting one of many different people, and the author of the original message is unknown.

0bsessions
5 years 4 months ago

Two things that consistently disappear early on people. This contract has him signed straight through to 37. This is a terrible contract to sign a power hitter who strikes out a ton to. Three years ago, David Ortiz was putting up those kind of gaudy numbers. That’s not even getting into the fact that this is an NL team. In the AL, you could shuttle him off to the DH spot and hope that gives him an extra couple of years by avoiding the wear and tear of fielding every day.

I’d love to have Ryan Howard on my team right now, but four years from now, much less seven? No thanks. This is a contract the Phillies are going to be SERIOUSLY regretting down the line.

barroomhero
5 years 4 months ago

You nailed it. Haven’t we seen the era of the aging slugger begin a serious decline? And the Phils just bought into a HUGE part of that. This will be a serious drag on that team towards the end of the deal.

leviticus6688
5 years 4 months ago

Like everyone else said. What decade is this? It’s silly and pretty moronic to evaluate a player’s value and worth based on RBI.

leviticus6688
5 years 4 months ago

Like everyone else said. What decade is this? It’s silly and pretty moronic to evaluate a player’s value and worth based on RBI.

5 years 4 months ago

Damn. I think they should have waited till he hit free agency and see if anyone else gave him that. I doubt another team would have wanted to give a 32 year old 1B a 5 year 125MIL contract.

25MIL a year from 32-37. You don’t see that everyday. Unless you’re A-Rod.

jwsox
5 years 4 months ago

they pulled a cards and over bid them selves for a player..the cards did it with holliday and the phillies did it with howard…..can i just say this Ruban said there simply wasent enough money to keep cliff lee on the team after getting halladay but there was enough to extend a sooner than later DH

5 years 4 months ago

I think Adrian Gonzalez’s agent just passed out.

foxtown
5 years 4 months ago

Yeah, so much for a mid-market team being able to afford AGonz. Can Prince Fielder command that kind of money? I would think that teams are wary of his beer gut. I can’t see him being productive far into his 30’s unless he gets in decent shape.

quintjs
5 years 4 months ago

It is probably such a bad contract it doesn’t help Gonzalez much. He can’t bring it up because other teams would just laugh at that contract and say just because the Phillies were stupid doesn’t mean they will be.

5 years 4 months ago

In fairness, the guy has been severely underpaid every year his first four years with the Phils…they’ve only paid the guy $26M for his first four years of MLB service and they got 225 jacks, 640 RBI, over a 950 OPS, a ROY season, an MVP season, two NL pennants, and a World Series. If they overpay for the guy on the back end of his career, I think it’s understandable.

5 years 4 months ago

You can say that about any young player out of the minors who makes an impact though.

mosby28
5 years 4 months ago

not a ridiculous contract. an AL team would’ve offered him way more just to DH. howard is extremely vital to the phils lineup and they were smart by settling this before the rumors kicked up. now utley and howard will solidify the 3- and 4-holes for a while. he’ll still be productive until his 37 year. however, i do agree that they shouldn’t resign him after that. this also probably marks the end of werth’s tenure here in philly.

BoSoxSam
5 years 4 months ago

….by AL team, you mean that ONE AL team. The Yanks. I don’t see any other team willing to shell out 25 million a year, for Howard’s decline years (okay, plus a couple prime years, but still), just for him to DH. Lackey is the Red Sox highest paid player at 18 million. I don’t think they’d just jump right up to 25 mil for Howard. He can hit those home runs, but his stats imply that he’s not going to age well. So, but this really is a ridiculous contract. If the Phils were willing to pay this much, they should have waited until free agency, and waited for him to lower his sights, and save a couple million. As someone said before, no other team, had Howard gone to free agency, would have been willing to pay 25m a year for his 32-37 years.

Vmmercan
5 years 4 months ago

But the Yankees WOULD shell out 25 per on a team with A-Rod signed until he’s 42 and Tex signed at first for the next 7 years? Not to mention the inevitably spending on extending Jeter and Rivera and acquiring a starter and the potential for Jesus Montero if he can’t catch full time?

I realize you may have meant the Yankees are capable of affording a 25 million dollar contract, but if you have followed their tendencies the last few years and know anything about the roster and farm system, you would also agree New York is less likely than Boston to make this sort of deal for Ryan Howard

BoSoxSam
5 years 4 months ago

whoops, sorry, let me elaborate. I meant that because of contracts like Teixeira and A-Rod, it’s clear that the Yanks have been willing to shell out 20 million plus for guys through their later years. I do agree with you, actually, that the Yanks don’t seem likely to pay up 25m for Howard. They’ve already got a starting first baseman, so he’d have to play DH as well. There’s no way they’d pay him 25m a year; I just meant that out of the AL teams, the Yanks are the most likely to be willing to pay a guy 20m+ through his late 30s, early 40s, if they wanted to. And if the Yanks aren’t that interested, then that’s yet another reason that the Phils just extended Howard to a ridiculous contract.

Vmmercan
5 years 4 months ago

Noted. I completely agree. Phillies bid against themselves and did it prematurely.

Yankees420
5 years 4 months ago

Didn’t see this comment by you before I posted above, so ignore what I said to you as I agree with what you’re saying here.

BoSoxSam
5 years 4 months ago

haha, it’s all cool. :) Yeah I didn’t really make myself completely clear the first time around, so no worries.

5 years 4 months ago

“Way more” to DH? Sorry man, but you are way off base on that prediction. 25m/per to just swing a bat for multiple years (5) is nothing more than an exaggeration.

Yankees420
5 years 4 months ago

I have to tell you that I completely disagree, very strongly might I add, with absolutely everything you just said. And BoSoxSam, the Yanks wouldn’t have paid him this much (or signed him at all for that matter) because they already have an overpaid DH-in-waiting.

gocrazy
5 years 4 months ago

Love this for Howard.

redsandyanksfan
5 years 4 months ago

SO if Howard got 5 years 125 million what do you think A-Gon is going to get? he has alot of power and he hits 35-40 homers in PECTO imgiane in a hitters park he plays gold glove Defense .

Alex
5 years 4 months ago

I’d expect a similar deal, perhaps a tad higher since he’ll be on the true open market. They are very comparable, I would not rate Gonzo higher though. Howard’s defense has been as good as any other 1B this year. And he has proved he can hit the 45-50 HR’s. Not just anticipated w/ better ballpark.

redsandyanksfan
5 years 4 months ago

But i think A-Gon would hit a couple more home runs a year in a hitters park true that a couple homers isnt something to get excited about but i wouldn’t complain have either one but if i had to choose i would pick Howard also he is a beast, But the only thing about your argument that we still have alot to go in the year and i think A Gon in fact will and does have better Defense than Howard

Yankees420
5 years 4 months ago

A-Gonz plays better defense than Howard, and Ryan Howard has enjoyed a little something called lineup protection over the last few years that Adrian has not had the luxury of having. Gonzalez is the better overall player and this contract is going to turn into an atrocity for the Phillies, the writing is already on the wall.

Games At Bats Plate Appearances STRIKEOUTS
716 2639 3015 560 Adrian Gonzalez
750 2767 3228 892 Ryan Howard

And if you put any stock into Fangraphs WAR, Howard hasn’t even been worth more than his own teammate, Jayson Werth, over the last 3 years. Howard has a combined 12.4 WAR from ’07-’09, while Werth has put up a 13.1 WAR over that same stretch.

roman411
5 years 4 months ago

Totally over paid him. Hopefully this does not inflate the FA crowd next offseason.

Call it a funny feeling but I think this contract is going to bit them in the rump. I can see Big Papi Part II written all over this.

5 years 4 months ago

“Hopefully this does not inflate the FA crowd next offseason.”

Too late.

5 years 4 months ago

I actually think with so many good first baseman hitting the market it will decrease. Really only one or two teams will be able to shell out 100 million + contracts.

BoSoxSam
5 years 4 months ago

Ooh, and Big Papi Part II is gonna be much more painful; 25 million a year is going to sting a LOT more than 12 million. Not to mention the fact that Howard’s got more years on his contract…I could see Vernon Wells part II if he does a Papi-like decline, which, while not necessarily likely, is definitely possible.

bj82
5 years 4 months ago

A-Gon? how about Pujols? 6-180 maybe or 7-210?

5 years 4 months ago

I would add a year for AGon so 7-180, Pujols is going to want way more.

barroomhero
5 years 4 months ago

Yeah, but I see that as probably being worth it. 6/180 for Pujols would be an AWESOME deal for the team that gets him.

I should note, he is going to get more though.

S_B_G
5 years 4 months ago

$30 million a year is not my definition of an “awesome deal” for any team, even if it is for Pujols.

quintjs
5 years 4 months ago

IF howard gets 5/125, Pujols gets 20/GDP

$1529282
5 years 4 months ago

Wow… that was completely surprising and completely unnecessary. Terrible deal for Philadelphia. If Howard loses an ounce of bat speed, they’re screwed.

This contract will be an anchor that weighs this franchise down for at least the last two seasons probably. Shocked and really just confused overall by this extension…

Alex
5 years 4 months ago

Though I think its overreaching on years (where have we seen this before with Ruben Amaro Jr.), it may actually serve the Phillies well. In 2 years, who know’s what the economy will be like and what the market rate will be for a player like Howard?

Also factor in what a fantastic job Howard has done with improving his defense and becoming a more complete player. This is a ballclub that has created a tremendous culture of success and hardwork. With Utley/Howard/Halladay its gonna be a very competitive team for years to come regardless of how they’re surrounded.

Does the decision make sense in a vacuum? No. Better to wait til free agency and get the better value player. But with this team, it makes sense since he is part of the identity of the team. Sadly, it does mean our one good RH bat will be gone (Werth) this time next year.

NYBravosFan10
5 years 4 months ago

Werth will be gone sooner than you think. If Ruben has any intelligence whatsoever he will trade Jayson Werth by the deadline in order to restock his depleted farm system. You guys lost alot in the Lee and Halladay deals and by trading Werth for nothing less than AA top prospects you can make up for it. He shouldn’t wait until free agency because he will most likely be a type-A and all you will get is a couple early draft picks. Whoop-dee-friggin’-doo. It’s going to be a tough good-bye for Philly but it needs to happen.

Alex
5 years 4 months ago

Right cause you trade a top-20, 35HR OF in the middle of the season when you’re a world series contending team. Been awhile since you reach the playoffs Bravos, understand the misunderstanding. We take the draft picks and move on. Also, did you miss the Lee deal when we did restock?

NYBravosFan10
5 years 4 months ago

Wow just like a Phillies fan. I try being nice and starting an intelligent discussion and I get crap in return for it. You said you’d be satisfied with draft picks? Tell me this then. What happens if your first round draft picks go into nothingness? Then losing Werth in free agency instead of trading him will go down as a sad, wasteful moment in Phillies history. Now I know that you people consider your current team to be gods deserving of toilets made out of solid gold but let me tell you something buddy. Inisde those toilets is where most Phillies fans belong. Lighten up and consider reason.

5 years 4 months ago

This might be the dumbest comment I’ve ever read.

Those prospects the Phillies would be trading Jayson Werth for would have the same chance of success as draft picks.

Alex
5 years 4 months ago

Exactly. Perhaps a slightly better chance of working out then the picks but what team ever traded a core component of a championship team in the middle of a playoff run?! With Lee, hey it was suspect but it was before the season started and quazi related to getting Halladay here.

5 years 4 months ago

Yeah, and – for the record – Halladay has worked out a lot better than Lee so far.

NYBravosFan10
5 years 4 months ago

notice how I said “AA top prospects”. Meaning guys that have a future in the majors. How many first-rounders fall into obscurity and don’t make it out of single A ball?

Yankees420
5 years 4 months ago

Except the Phillies won’t get a huge haul for a half-season rental of Werth, best case scenario is they get 1 prospect from a team’s top 6-7 at a position of need. Werth (+ 2 draft picks when he leaves via FA) has more value to the Phillies when you take into consideration that they are in “win now” mode.

NYBravosFan10
5 years 4 months ago

You have a point but let me elaborate on how I see it. It would have to be a perfect fit. The ideal team would be one that is one piece (power hitting outfield bat with good fielding and speed) away from seriously contending. The team would also have to have the money to extend him or be so desperate for a world series that they don’t care about long-term. They would also need a deeper than deep farm system that they could delve into without seriously killing their chances for a team of home grown superstars some time in the future but also satisfy the Phillies.

crunchy1
5 years 4 months ago

Really? So some kid out of high school (or even college) has the “same chance” of success as a top prospect who’s already playing well at AA or AAA? And you just called someone else’s comment dumb?

5 years 4 months ago

C’mon man. Everyone knows trading Lee was stupid. A World Series would have been on lock for you guys had you kept Lee.

BoSoxSam
5 years 4 months ago

“In 2 years, who know’s what the economy will be like and what the market rate will be for a player like Howard?”

All I know about the economy is that it will NOT have bounced back enough to say that Howard is worth 25 million or more. That’s some major inflation we’re talking about there.

melonis_rex
5 years 4 months ago

So the Phillies are on the hook for 164MM guaranteed through 2016, since this 125MM deal adds on to the 39MM Howard was already owed through 2011.

This is really, really dumb.

htlee4
5 years 4 months ago

Phils fans, do you want to know what Howard is going to be like in 2015? Just look at David Ortiz today!

5 years 4 months ago

I was thinking the exact same thing

Alex
5 years 4 months ago

Except Ortiz was almost entirely a steroids invention. He never has had the talent Howard possesses nor ever played as quality of defense. Hell he might not have ever been in as good of physical shape.

Patattack
5 years 4 months ago

Actually, he was a product of Manny Ramirez batting in front of him. If the Phils can hold onto Rollins and Utley in the future, I actually don’t think this deal will be as bad as people think because of the people batting around Howard.

melonis_rex
5 years 4 months ago

Except he’ll have to play the field, since the Phillies are in the NL and can’t DH him.

5 years 4 months ago

yea except howard in the past 2 offseasons has lost over 40 lbs and also howard wasnt on juice.

bomberj11
5 years 4 months ago

We don’t know that, especially since 9/10 above average players in this day and age are taking some type of PED, or multiple PED’s.

5 years 4 months ago

A bit of an exaggeration. In my opinion, Howard and Ortiz are not comparable.

Anson Ng
5 years 4 months ago

This really sets a high bar. Now the other big first basemen will have grounds to ask for similar money. And if Howard’s getting 25, what’s Pujols gonna get?

RyanPhils5
5 years 4 months ago

You guys act like you know how good he’ll be when he’s 35. I’ll rank the contract in five years when it’s over. Right now I’m happy we locked up one of the top players in the game.

brewersnrays
5 years 4 months ago

Wow. I wonder what this means for Prince? This is clearly a terrible deal for the Phillies, and Scott Boras will no doubt spin this into more dollars for Fielder.

danks50
5 years 4 months ago

Wow, Joe Mauer 23 million a year? Ryan Howard 25 million until he’s 36 years old?

Phillies Fail.