Odds & Ends: Indians, Dunn, Cardona, Giants

Let's check out some links on a beautiful evening in New Jersey..

  • Indians manager Manny Acta says that he's still focused on developing the team's young talent, writes Paul Hoynes of The Plain Dealer.
  • Adam Dunn says that signing another two-year deal wouldn't be his preference, though he's not opposed to it, writes Bill Ladson of MLB.com.
  • Other clubs are upset over Toronto's reported agreement with Adonis Cardona, writes Jeremy Sandler of the National Post.
  • Even more from Baggarly, as he tells us not to expect the Giants to sign Jermaine Dye or call up Buster Posey in the coming days.
  • Andrew Baggarly of the Mercury News (via Twitter) doesn't think the Giants would benefit from bringing back Ryan Garko.
  • Former Royals manager Trey Hillman said that the team had a lengthy players-only meeting prior to being swept by the Rangers, tweets Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports.
  • Giants manager Bruce Bochy, GM Brian Sabean, and hitting coach Hensley Meulens are "talking over options"  following a 1-hit loss to San Diego, writes Andrew Baggarly of the Mercury News (via Twitter).
  • The Reds have promoted Yonder Alonso to Triple-A Louisville, tweets Ben Badler of Baseball America.  Baseball America's 2010 Prospect Handbook rated Alonso ahead of Mike Leake in Cincinnati's farm system but behind Todd Frazier.
  • MLB.com's Jesse Sanchez writes that Major League Baseball is hoping to clean up the sport in Venezuela.


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24 Comments on "Odds & Ends: Indians, Dunn, Cardona, Giants"


aap212
5 years 2 months ago

Ah, Alonso. You shouldn’t draft for need in baseball, but he’s an example of why you should at least think about it. Gordon Beckham was by most accounts the best player on the board when the Reds drafted Alonso. No one got it at the time, and it doesn’t make any sense now. They could have a bright young shortstop instead of a first base prospect who doesn’t project to be as good as the young star they already have there.

5 years 2 months ago

I think once Chapman was added to the team, most people put him ahead of either Alonso, Leake or Frazier. Seems like most rankings were out before he signed though.

redsandyanksfan
5 years 2 months ago

Yeah but ranks were slided down just a little just moving to chapman to first with everyone that was on the top 10 sliding down one

redsandyanksfan
5 years 2 months ago

Hmm what to do what to do with, Do you guys think a Alonso swap with Tyler Flowers of chi sox would be far? i know he is the catcher for the future but they would get a great prospect slugging lefthanded hitter can replace paulie next year and even if the resign him he could play Dh but idk alot about his Defense at first. Another Option would trade for Reid Brignac of tampa ,but i would rather have either a catcher or a leftfielder. what do you guys think?

Joe L
5 years 2 months ago

Somehow prying Jeremy Hellickson from the Rays would make more sense even if they had to add a lower prospect or take on a contract. Doubt it’ll happen but Hellickson is something of a luxury for the Rays and a future rotation of Chapman, Cueto, Hellickson, Volquez, and Leake? looks awfully good to me (even if Chapman is the only LHP). And the Rays could use a long-term 1B answer with Pena most likely leaving, even if he stays he’s getting old.

redsandyanksfan
5 years 2 months ago

That sounds really good but starting pitching is the least of our worries right now , while Jeremy Hellickson is a cant miss propect and looks really good what about a trade with fransico and alonso for daniel hudson and tyler flowers? Juan Fransico is a way better option then mark theaen and he can play left and i already said my alonso taking over for paulie , im not sure i really like flowers and we really need a catcher

jwredsox
5 years 2 months ago

I wouldn’t say can’t miss. Very good, but a lot can happen. I remember when Bucholz was a can’t miss. I just think it is a little early. Plus he isn’t near the level of dominance that Strasburg is having right now.

jwredsox
5 years 2 months ago

and for comparisons, If you look at their minor league stats both Buchholz and Hellickson’s look very similar.

Buchholz: 443.1 Innings, 2.42 ERA, 1.002 WHIP, 2.5 BB/9, 4.05 SO/BB, and 10.3 K/9.
Hellickson: 501 Innings, 2.77 ERA, 1.03 WHIP, 2.0 BB/9, 5.00 SO/BB, and 9.8 K/9.

Hellickson also has a H/9 ratio that is almost one hit more than buchholz’s
History shows he shouldn’t be in the Can’t miss catagory.

redsandyanksfan
5 years 2 months ago

okay your right,i meant more of the lines of a pretty good prospect i think clay will always be better than him even though i hate the red soxs clay is going to be special, And well everyone cant be Strasburg but thanks for the numbers

jwredsox
5 years 2 months ago

I see what you meant. I just actually just used buchholz at random and noticed how similar they were and felt like posting it lol. The fact they had so much in common was just a coincidence

jwredsox
5 years 2 months ago

Both also have the same pitches for the most part. The comparisons are almost scary. Mid 90’s FB, very good change up, slow, looping curve that is a plus pitch. Hellickson is listed at 6′ 1″, 185, Buchholz: 6′ 3″, 190.

redsandyanksfan
5 years 2 months ago

give me clay because he has proven himself at the majors, but that was a good reference very good reference

redsandyanksfan
5 years 2 months ago

give me clay because he has proven himself at the majors, but that was a good reference very good reference by the way lol But one of my favorite pitchers is Jon lester and clay those two will form a very top 2 if both live up to the potienal reminds me of the felix and cliff lee (whenever he actually pitches) or something like a C.C and A.J Burnett

gigantes2425
5 years 2 months ago

the conversation in san francisco is basically brian sabean begging for forgiveness for signing derosa.

55saveslives
5 years 2 months ago

The best option is to FIRE SABEAN!!!

5 years 2 months ago

Yes, I’m sure Brian Sabean is apologizing profusely. It’s not like he has a history of talking down on the players he signed to the fanbase or anything.

nostocksjustbonds
5 years 2 months ago

Buster Posey is the Option, Sabean, you idiot!

jwredsox
5 years 2 months ago

and as

Nicolas_C
5 years 2 months ago

The Giants’ offseason was a joke, they couldn’t have done much worse with the money they spent. Huff and DeRosa, come on. And they’re stuck playing Renteria (who’s been OK this year, but he won’t keep it up).

vtadave
5 years 2 months ago

Great, thanks Baggerly. Who are you going to place #10 on your MVP ballot this year, Sergio Romo? Really appreciate the insight that Ryan Garko wouldn’t help the Giants. Here I thought they’d bring him and watch him bat .320/.440/.620.

As for Hellickson, he’s an elite prospect. Rays would deal Jeff Niemann before they would Hellickson.

redsandyanksfan
5 years 2 months ago

Walt did a damn fine job in St Louis if im not mistaking .so not sure why your making Jocketty Sound like Jim Hendry, but he is a pretty good Gm

strikethree
5 years 2 months ago

I’m not sure if you can blame the GM here when it’s basically the scouting director’s job.Yes, the GM has the final authority and probably has his own input but you may be discrediting the wrong guy.

A lot of people also credit the GM for good drafts. Again, I think the scouting director deserves much more credit (and blame for bad drafts) than the GM.

redsandyanksfan
5 years 2 months ago

Thats better, and the Mulder deal was just wow it makes cardinals fans look at what haren is today and just wants to make them bang there head of a wall,

Triteon
5 years 2 months ago

Mulder was arguably the top left-hander in the AL and among the best in the league; Haren was still developing. And remember — after Mulder went 16-8 his first year in St. Louis we all took a collective sigh of relief. Based on the career tracks of Mulder and Haren this was an awful deal, but at the time it was fantastic.

Jocketty won far more than he lost and was a great GM. What trades are you looking at that — when viewed at the time they were made — were bad?