Jake Peavy told Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times that he would ask for a trade if the White Sox start a complete rebuilding process. That doesn't seem likely, and Peavy tells Cowley he feels good about his situation in Chicago, despite the team's 25-33 record. Before the White Sox became sellers, Peavy told MLB.com that he doesn't have interest in playing for a rebuilding team.
Peavy has a full no-trade clause and proved last summer that he isn't afraid to use it. Two months before the Padres traded Peavy to the White Sox, he vetoed a deal that would have sent him to Chicago. Ironically enough, the 34-24 Padres are now in contention, but they would presumably be looking for bats, not arms if they decide to deal.
Peavy, 29, has $42.6MM remaining on his deal, so few teams could afford him. His 5.90 ERA could turn clubs off, though Peavy's peripheral numbers suggest he has pitched better than his ERA would have you believe. The right-hander's salary and stats would make him hard to trade and the White Sox don't seem likely to start a complete rebuilding process, so it doesn't look like Peavy's going anywhere.
If you wanted to be on a competitive team, son, maybe you should have just stayed with the Padres to begin with.
Yeah – everyone had the Padres picked to do really well. New GM. Budget right there with the Marlins. There current success was easy to see.
And, of course, it will continue. It’s not as if this is a team that has been collectively over-achieving for 60 games.
Everything is there to say its legitimate right now. The Media just forgets about them because they play in San Diego always in the shadow the dodgers, but there is nothing surprising or shocking about Matt Latos, Clayton Richard (obviously because of the Peavy trade), and Wade LeBlanc breaking out right now to anybody who was paying attention.
Kenny is too dumb and Ozzie is too stubborn to begin a rebuilding process
Amen.
Oh, the irony.
Jake Peavy = lifted no-trade clause FAIL.
For the sox to not fully rebuild a few things need to happen.
Fire Ozzie
Kenny needs to stop trading away minor league talent
Let that minor league talent play in the bigs
trade away, paulie, AJ, Jenks, Putz, Pierre, getting decent talent back. Not the talent we got back from Nick Swisher, but the talent we got from, um let me think we really don’t get talent back when we trade vets. needs to learn from that little flaw
I think when you become a white sox player/manager/front office member, you automatically get more stupid.
“you automatically get more stupid.”
Look in the mirror, chief.
In retrospect, when Peavy lifted the no trade clause, the Padres were out of contention yet again and, for the better part of two seasons, were attempting to trade him (remember all those Peavy to the Cubs rumors?). I guarantee that whatever is going on with the Padres won’t last another 100 games. They are not a playoff team. I feel for Peavy; he came here expecting to win and, based on what we have, we SHOULD be winning. It’s just underachievement to the max.
I don’t think a complete rebuild is necessary, either. We just need to revamp a few things, i.e., we need a left-handed power hitter and a better bullpen. Bring up Tyler Flowers, trade Pierzynski, Jenks, Konerko, bring up Daniel Hudson, make Thornton the closer of this team, and in the offseason find a way to get Adrian Gonzalez over here. While we’re at it, put Alexei back at 2nd and move Gordon to SS (I don’t understand why it’s the other way around right now….)
I think the problem lies with this past offseason, and the idiotic moves made by Kenny. Obviously the starting pitching has underperformed. But we’re seeing signs of life from Peavy and Floyd, and Buehrle I expect to be fine in the long run. Danks has been awesome, save the last few starts, but he’s still young and has the most potential as of this moment.
Nobody would have predicted Beckham to be this bad. And I had some faith in Quentin, but I could definitely see this scenario too.
However, a lot of the blame lands on the predictable moves that Kenny made/didn’t make this offseason. He shouldn’t have (and it was absolutely clear to everyone):
1 – traded for Juan Pierre
2 – signed Omar Vizquel as FA
3 – traded for Mark Teahen AND signed him to an extension – sounds like Dontrelle Willis and the Tigers to me
4 – not signed Jim Thome for DH, and resigned Kotsay instead
5 – signed Andruw Jones. As in 2009, he lit it up for a month but has turned back into a pumpkin.
These are just a few of the big issues. Thome at DH would be a huge upgrade. Also, why not sign Mike Cameron, injury issues aside? Defense plus offense, and Alex Rios, while decent in CF, would profile better in RF. Cameron CF, Rios RF, Quentin LF would be much better defensively and offensively than Pierre LF Rios CF Quentin RF.
One call which is not Kenny’s is to finally spend above slot money in the draft. The White Sox have typically been terrible at drafting, making most of their improvements via trade. Low-ceiling, cheap first rounders, like Lance Broadway and Royce Ring. I mean, come on.
I certainly agree with a lot of what you said. Starting with the whole leadoff issue, I was REALLY disappointed that we didn’t push harder for Figgens and, later, Podsednik. I can understand why KW would make a trade for Pierre…after all, he was hot for LA when he filled in for Manny Ramirez. Also, isn’t he like a .300 career hitter? Unfortunately, he’s sucked beyond belief. You can’t expect to succeed in the AL with a leadoff hitter hitting in the .240s.
I really don’t have an issue with adding Vizquel and Jones. Sure, their best years are behind them, but we were told that they’d be coming in off the bench. I think they’re both competent enough for a spot start…they’re just not players I’d be interested in seeing everyday.
I can’t even wrap my mind around the Teahan trade + extension. Beckham was doing fine at 3rd base. I would have only moved him if we signed Figgens and, even then, it would have been to shortstop with Alexei moving to 2nd. The worst part of the situation was that we gave up Getz to get him. Getz had all the promise in the world at 2nd base…geez. I would much rather see Gordon at 3rd, Alexei at SS, and Getz at 2b than whatever the hell we have going on now out there.
I also think that the idea of a “rotating DH” is REALLY stupid….I think we would have been better off re-signing Dye and making Quentin the DH (especially with Quentin’s foot issues…).
how many years does he have on that 42 mil contract?
If the Sox ate some of his contract, or even just took on all of Pierre’s contract, I can see Peavy with the Dodgers. Probably not realistic cuz of Franky’s cheap wallet and the prospects don’t match-up that well.
The Dodgers could really use an ace, (Peavy, Lee, or Oswalt).
The White Sox would prefer that he’d pitch like the ace they thought they were trading for instead of a scrub, but that hasn’t been happening. Another fail by Kenny Williams. He has to go before he trades away more prospects in his fantasy world where that lousy team is contending.
Trading for Peavy wasn’t a fail. Peavy’s performance this year has been a fail. Don’t blame Kenny when the players underachieve because his responsibility is to put the team together and it’s up to the players to win games. The pieces are there for a winning ball club so Kenny has done his job.
zambrano for peavy striaght up would be a fair trade. peavy did not want to be traded from the padres; remember he rejected a trade to the sox earlier because he wanted to be their but then the owner and gm talked him into accpeting one saying it would really help the team with the payroll relief and players they would get in return. so ya can not blame peavy. he really wanted nothing to do with the american league in the first place.
I’m sick of Peavy complaining. Doesn’t he think that everyone else on that club wants to win, too? I’m starting to wonder if he a clubhouse cancer.
If the Sox are to contend next year, the following things need to happen IMO….
Either trade Paulie right away for at least one prospect that can play within a year or two at the major league level. Paulie wont bring the Sox a premium prospect but maybe he could bring one who could be decent, either as a capable bench player or maybe a good bullpen guy…OR…plan on signing Paulie for another 2-3 years. Keeping Konerko would eliminate one hole the Sox will have next year if they trade him. If hes gone, who plays 1st?…nobody on the club currently and the cupboard is bare in the minors so a FA will need to be picked up so maybe keeping Paulie is the best choice here.
Trade AJ…asap…bring up Flowers and see if the kid can play at the major league level.
Trade Jenks asap and in my opinion, put Santos in as closer and see if he can handle it. If not, theres Thornton so the closer spot will be filled in 2011.
Find someone…anyone..to take Teahen. I know hes hurt now but as soon as hes healthy, get his sorry butt outta Chicago. Bring up Viciado and see if he can possibly handle the job. I seriously doubt it but maybe…unless hes eaten himself out of baseball. Teahen cant be the starting 3B on any team that expects to contend.
Find a DH for next year. If Ozzie and KW think that having Kotsay as DH is a good answer, they both need to be fired.
Trade Pierre…or hes a bench guy next year.
So….if we keep Paulie…we will need..
A 3b who can hit AND field. What a novel idea huh?
2 good relief pitchers…one LH and one RH.
A leadoff hitter who can get on base
A DH with some power….and NOT Thome OR Dye.
Sounds like KW needs some money to spend or else the Sox will be pathetic next year as well.. Since there isnt a ton of salary coming off the books, especially if we keep Paulie, I doubt any of this is feasible.
I think that if the Sox can take this series from the Cubs that would be something to build on for a last minute/12th hour run at this thing. Dismantling the team in June is not very smart. There is a lot of baseball to be played. I agree if it comes down to the all star break and we are in the same/worse boat than now then full steam ahead with the firesale. All I am saying… is give this team a chance ( thanks John Lennon).
I totally agree with the Teahen thing being dumb. He should be a bench guy not the starter. Not sure if that Morel kid is ready yet but Viciedo has been working out at first base for Paulie insurance. I think we would have to make yet another trade for a 3B. I suppose they could run Omar out there since he is golden with the glove, but you lose a bit with the bat. It sure would help if Beckham was hitting to pick up some slack. Not sure why everyone is so up in arms over him playing second instead of Alexei. Just because he was a shortstop in college doesnt mean he would make one in the big leagues. I dont think that Ramirez hurts you at all at short— especially this year. He miffs some of the routine plays but makes some that are impossible to get to. I dont think he is their problem. Gordon Beckham hitting a nickel over .200 is however a big problem. I say send him down to the minors and platoon the hell out of 2nd and 3rd with Omar, Nix and Lillibridge until he starts hitting. My dad keeps saying they will just let him hit with the big club until he gets it but I just gotta think his confidence is getting killed out there looking overmatched and unlucky. Play him yes, but play him against some lesser talent at a much lowered stress-induced environment. With that said, I have really soured on Ozzie as a leader. I think his antics with Kenny Williams are almost to the Martin/Steinbrenner level of absurdity. Jerry needs to cut bait with this hanger-on. He should have been fired a long time ago for his X-rated media banter but loyal ass Reinsdorf couldnt see his way to firing him. Every year they hit like a half ass semi pro team and Greg Walker still coaches. Most teams for better or worse would have dumped Walker and his no hitting ways but in the land of washed up has beens (Ozzie) and never weres (Kenny Williams, Darrin Jackson, Greg Walker) you can shit on your job and as long as you played in some capacity with the White Sox your employment is safe. I just hope that this season is still salvagable.
True, but if we do it midseason, then theres a chance we can compete next season. A full rebuild takes a few years depending on the front office, with Drayton Moore it will take several hundred.