Roy Oswalt Rumors: Sunday

The Phillies, Yankees, Dodgers, and Cardinals were among the teams that had scouts watching Roy Oswalt's start against the Reds last night. Oswalt didn't exactly dazzle, allowing six runs over five innings, but there still seems to be plenty of interest in the right-hander, according to yesterday's round of Oswalt rumors. Here are today's updates, with the latest notes being added to the top of the list throughout the day:

  • With Haren off of the trade market, Houston's asking price for Oswalt will likely be too high for the Cards' tastes, writes Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
  • MLB.com's Brian McTaggart writes that Oswalt's pursuit of becoming the all-time wins leader in Houston won't affect his trade status. One win shy of the record, Oswalt says it would be nice to reach the mark, but won't veto a trade to make it happen.
  • In an update for FOX Sports, Rosenthal says the Astros are having trouble matching up with the Cardinals and Dodgers, leaving the Phillies as the most logical suitor. However, in a pair of tweets, ESPN.com's Buster Olney reports that the Phils are exploring the possibility of swapping Werth directly for a starter if they can't work out a deal for Oswalt or Dan Haren.
  • Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that the Phillies, as opposed to the Dodgers and Cards, are best positioned to acquire Oswalt if they move Jayson Werth. However, Rosenthal hears from an executive that Philadelphia's demands in a Werth deal appear to be changing daily.
  • Astros president Tal Smith tells Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe that he expects Oswalt to be moved. According to Smith, the Astros' ace is drawing "considerable interest," with at least "three or four" teams attempting to acquire the 32-year-old.
  • Cafardo also hears from an Astros official that New York might be too "big time" for the quiet Oswalt, meaning there's a chance the righty may not waive his no-trade clause to play for a Big Apple team.


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60 Comments on "Roy Oswalt Rumors: Sunday"


BravesRed
5 years 3 days ago

He won’t be moved, unless the ‘Stros lower their demands, by a lot.

oremlk
5 years 3 days ago

When you’re negotiating you start from a position of strength, that’s why the Astros demands are so high. Just basic bargaining practices. The demands will come down some over the next few days and a compromise may well be reached. I’m probably about 70/30 on Oswalt being traded before the deadline. I think some teams will get desperate, and I don’t think the Astros will demand as much as they have been, so a middle ground will be found.

smitty4
5 years 3 days ago

Ed Wade always lowers his demands at the 72 hour mark. a 30/30 Bobby Abreu got nothing in the end because the deal had to be made. Ed is reaching the “has to be made” point right now.

Bender44
5 years 3 days ago

Well that 30/30 Bobby Abreu person was traded by Pat Gillick, so….

Just_MLB
5 years 3 days ago

Wow if Oswalt is already shook of pitching in the big apple…then its def best he go somewhere else…not everyone has the cojones to play here…but as they say….if u can make it here…u can make it anywhere

5 years 3 days ago

Not everyone thinks NY is the be all end all of existence. I love the yanks. They were my first team before I knew what baseball even was, 20 years ago, but as a rural farmboy, I totally get why roy wouldn’t wanna pitch there. Its someplace you visit, not someplace you live. I’m sure you wouldn’t wanna live on the delta, so why judge him for thinking NY is just a bunch of noise and lights

Just_MLB
5 years 3 days ago

u…u can live in Westchester…or Stamford or anywhere within an hour of the city and its a completely different world…this sounds more like he cant pitch under the pressure of the spotlight/media…big difference between hou & nyc

5 years 3 days ago

Not denying there’s definitely more of a stage in NY, but media=drama. When has that ever been good? Roy wants to pitch and be left alone, not have the amateur psychologists at NY Times wondering who, what, where, when, why about every decision he makes. He’s more the silent professional, not the 3 ring circus that is the steinbrenners, aj, and arod.

The yanks are a great team, but you have to be flashy to wanna play there, and not wanting to be in the spotlight isn’t a weakness, its a personality trait. No one would say jeter wasn’t a real man if he didn’t wanna go mudbogging and catfishing. Just different people.

There’s no doubt NY makes careers, but roy is pretty well established as is. Lots of HoF pitchers never played in NY. Not saying roy is a hof’er, but he’s definitely great even without the Pinstripes.

Just_MLB
5 years 3 days ago

Jeter actually seems to be the kind of guy that doesnt like the spotlight ( unlike A-Rod )the only thing he does to call attention to himself is his high-jump ninja throw from anywhere in the field to any base…getting clutch basehits…and smashing Jessica Alba, Mariah Carey, Nia Long out the ball-park…and plenty of other low-key types have thrived in NY…joe torre…willie randolph…Andy Pettite…Bernie Williams…Mariano Rivera…Tom Glavine..Carlos Beltran….David Wright…Don Mattingly…none of them are really considered rah-rah spotlight seeker kind of people…( and one lives across the street from one of the best strip clubs in NY )…u never hear a peep about him cuz he keeps it low-key..u just need a set to survive here…

* edit ( please note…willie randolph thrived in NY as a player…not as a manager )

5 years 3 days ago

Can’t argue with evidence like that, but I still don’t think oswalts brass ones should be questioned :)

Just_MLB
5 years 3 days ago

Why is Oswalt shook of NYC ?

HerbertAnchovy
5 years 3 days ago

It wasn’t a direct quote, it was a quote by an “insider” that could (or couldn’t be) completely false.

cbcbcb
5 years 3 days ago

How about all three parties lower their demands slightly. Mr. Oswalt, stop demanding that your option be picked up. Mr. Amaro, don’t expect a major league ready top prospect or talent for Werth. Astros management, don’t expect top major league prospects and somebody to pay all of Oswalt’s salary. If all three of you each lower your demands only slighty, you can get a deal done within the hour.

5 years 3 days ago

Have you completely ignored the last 3 days? Oswalt has said, and reiterated, that his option will not be a dealbreaker, and that he’s willing to restructure. That’s the epitome of fair and reasonable compromise.

The team has said for almost a week now that they’ll pay some salary, and any speculation on how much, until the deal is made, is just that, and will vary largely on what is offered us in return.

Werth may not be worth a lot, but he’s definitely got value, which if he was on your team, or once he was traded to your team, you would likely admit, but everyone wants something for nothing. Very ignorant post all around.

Andy_B
5 years 3 days ago

For the Phillies to trade Werth they need to get more than what they would get at the end of the season if he signs with another team, because if not the Phillies are better off keeping him for the rest of the year. On the other hand as bad as Amarro got fleeced on the Lee deal, perhaps he will trade Werth below value just to try to pull in Oswalt.

coachofall
5 years 3 days ago

The way he is playing this year I wouldnt be shocked if he were to accept arbitration if offered. This may be the fear of the Phills front office. One year in a healthy protected Phillie lineup may help his value after next season

tmengd
5 years 3 days ago

actually Oswalt himself has not told the front office that he will only waive his option being picked up if traded to the Cardinals. He has said however that it depends on if he likes the place he is traded to. I doubt he would request it being picked up from the Dodgers either, or Atlanta (although I doubt they want him)

He has also never said himself that he would not want to pitch in NY. This is speculation by a news writer. One of his best friends is Andy Pettite, he has always pitched well in NYC and I am sure he would strongly consider it, if presented to him. That being said I am not sure who the Yankees have that the Astros would want. Montero is a great prospect but he is a catcher and the Astros already have a top prospect catcher. I did hear he can play first though, and they definately need that if Berkman isn’t resigned. Too bad Joba isn’t being moved that might be a deal clincher there.

slap1328
5 years 3 days ago

goto LA

BravesRed
5 years 3 days ago

I just read that the ‘Stros want Loney or Kemp in return for Oswalt, so doubtful on that.

slap1328
5 years 3 days ago

Colletti wasn’t going to include either in a deal for Cliff Lee who is a ++ pitcher compared to where Oswalt is right now, so no chance he will let them go now.

dc21892
5 years 3 days ago

I say the Phils try to get a SP from the Sox. Dice-K has pitched better of late and he is under team control past this year. He has a no trade clause and many other benefits with the Sox so it wouldn’t be easy but I’d welcome a Dice-K for Werth move with some prospects involved. Obviously Dice-K is shaky and I’m going to get ripped for even posting this but with one less threat in the lineup in the NL, and his past history proves he can be a solid ML starter. The Sox have the ability to offer up Bowden, Reddick and some decent prospects. It’s not something that is too crazy to even consider because the Phils could use Bowden in the bullpen and Reddick could help the OF. The Sox would probably consider giving up a good prospect or two also. But it all comes down to RAJr. He’s done some crazy things for the Phils.

cbcbcb
5 years 3 days ago

How about Dice-K for Ibanez, not Werth.

dc21892
5 years 3 days ago

Did you read my whole thing? The Phils aren’t going to be able to move Ibanez anyways. He’s being paid way too much. But if the Sox were able to get Dice-K to waive his no trade clause and the Sox add some B level prospects along with Bowden/Reddick why would the Phils not do it? They can’t afford Werth past this season.

cbcbcb
5 years 3 days ago

Why would any team want Dice-K? He has been very inconsistent. and the Phillies already have inconsistent pitchers. The Phillies would be getting rid of an albatross in Ibanez and the Red Sox in Dice-K. I don’t think Dice-K has much value, hence why the Red Sox would be offering him.

dc21892
5 years 3 days ago

Dice-K is coming off of some injuries still and he is much younger and much more capable of getting close to his top form again. Ibanez is finished. Simple as that. Prospects and a SP would be more than enough to let RA pull the trigger. The odds of Dice-K waiving his no trade clause are very much unrealistic. It probably won’t happen, but it would benefit both sides. Seeing Dice-K pitch every 5 days shows me that he’s still got something left.

5 years 3 days ago

lol. Werth for Dice k. I think the Phillies will just keep Werth then.

5 years 3 days ago

When Oswalt was in New York last month, he said he would accept a trade to the Yankees. I think the Phils want to trade Werth for money reasons so perhaps the Phils can deal Werth as part of what comes back from Oswalt which can then be used as a trade piece in the off-season.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
5 years 3 days ago

Roy Oswalt signed a huge contract way back when; it included a no trade clause, presumably because he wanted it in there.Now, things don’t seem so wonderful in Houston, and he doesn’t want to uphold his end of the deal-he has demanded a trade. Since he has a no trade clause, he can demand a trade, except then, he doesn’t have to accept the trade. But he wants to accept one to go to a DIVISION rival, oh, but only after he breaks the Astros all time wins record, and he will renegotiate his final year IF he goes to that same division rival.Am I the only one who sees Roy Oswalt as a jerk? I understand that moving Oswalt would be a great thing to help the Astros rebuild, but this whole situation stinks IMO. Oswalt’s “demands” make him look like a rat deserting a sinking ship. He’d be a perfect fit on the Cardinals though. Whiny, complaining, jerky players and manager-it would be a match made in heaven!

mrlyngreen
5 years 3 days ago

Resentment is an unhealthy emotion.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
5 years 3 days ago

I suppose you’re right that resentment may be an unhealthy emotion, but venting feels good. Damn good!

mrlyngreen
5 years 3 days ago

Nothing wrong with venting.

Andy_B
5 years 3 days ago

LOL who on the cardinals are whiny, complaining, jerky players? Sounds like someone’s a little upset about the direction of their franchise.

Ferrariman
5 years 2 days ago

well why the hell wouldn’t he want to leave Houston? he’s like 32 already and hasn’t won a world series ring and he knows his window of opportunity is closing. Pardon me while i think he is doing a completely fair thing.

Ferrariman
5 years 2 days ago

well why the hell wouldn’t he want to leave Houston? he’s like 32 already and hasn’t won a world series ring and he knows his window of opportunity is closing. Pardon me while i think he is doing a completely fair thing.

5 years 3 days ago

I say the Padres need to swoop in and offer up:
Webb
Richards
Castro
Darnell

5 years 2 days ago

If the Phils want to offer a right fielder straight up for a starter, they could try to see if Sabean will pick up the phone and see if he’ll let go of Matt Cain.

dire straits
5 years 2 days ago

As a Dodger fan, I’d love to see Matt Cain out of the West.

5 years 2 days ago

If you were a Dodger fan you would know Cain has ZERO wins against the Dodgers. I say keep him in the west.

ThinkBlue10
5 years 2 days ago

He may be winless against us but hes still a good pitcher. And plus without him the giants aren’t as good and that would be one team less we would have to worry about.

dire straits
5 years 2 days ago

Oh yeah, I forgot that wins are directly conducive to how good a pitcher is. Without Cain, the Giants are hardly a contender in the west and their rotation is average at best.

Ferrariman
5 years 2 days ago

zero, i mean zero, chance Cain leaves. they signed him to an extension for a reason.

Sanchez, maybe. Zito, definitely.

Dylan
5 years 2 days ago

I know the Phillies would love that, but NO WAY do the Giants trade Cain. As a Phillies fan, I would give Werth and prospects for Cain, but it ain’t happening.

philsWSchamps
5 years 2 days ago

As a phils fan I’d love to see Cain in our uni but even Sabean’s not that stupid.

phil33
5 years 2 days ago

I don’t want oswalt on the phils. A really player doesn’t care about the media and the fans. They care about winning. Perfect example is Roy Halladay. Hes not a cityboy by any means but he just keeps his mouth shut and stays focused and hasn’t said one word about the media since hes been here. We should go after Lilly instead if hes available.

Yoni Pollak
5 years 2 days ago

all oswalt stuff has been speculated…his quotes have been that it doesn’t matter about contract stuff, they can figure that out later…oswalt wants to win and has played in big games….how can you not want a guy like him

coolstorybro222
5 years 2 days ago

Oswalt is sloppy seconds now that Haren is with the Angels. I mean the astros are going to get somewhat bottom of the barrel for him.

5 years 2 days ago

what do the phillies have to put together to land Oswalt?

now a is perfect time for the trade, werth is playing better, the team is playing better, so Amaro wont be so scared to bring up Dom Brown.

I hope the phillies make a trade for Oswalt happen?

5 years 3 days ago

i think so to with the glimmer of hope these past two days may cause the front office to cause a knee jerk reaction and think they have a shot still to make the playoffs and win.

5 years 3 days ago

I just don’t see Oswalt going anywhere. No team wants to pay that additional 16 million dollars for a 32 year old.

5 years 3 days ago

Not competing this season? They’re like…2 games back of the Wild Card. How is that not competing? Durrrr

oremlk
5 years 3 days ago

He already backed down and said he won’t demand his option be picked up.

BajaPete
5 years 3 days ago

As I understand it, Oswalt has stated that he’s willing to “reorganize” the money stipulation ONLY to St. Louis; and as he has full no-trade veto power over every club this vetoes Houston’s demands that his options are to be picked up gives him the whip hand. This also strengthens the Cardinals’ hand in that if we’ve learned anything about Roy Oswalt over the year’s it’s that he will do things HIS way…and he wants to play for the Cardinals. St. Louis GM, John Mozeliak, has shown himself a skilled “poker player” and with option money stipulations no longer a problem and knowing a weakened Houston’s predeliction for last minute deals, he can afford to wait…and he will succeed just as he succceeded in waiting out Scott Boras and his stall tactics for Matt Holliday last season. Of considerably more interest to me, though, is that ANY major move by the Cardinals incurring additional financial obligations tells me that the Pujols extension is also in the bag and that ownership is on board, knowing that a loss of the best player on the planet would cause an insurrection in Cardinals Nation which would shake St. Louis in a manner MUCH more deadly than the New Madrid fault! Pujols has stated on many occasions that he wants to be a Cardinal for life and his major necessity is for the club to demonstrate a similar commitment in return. This trade and the Holliday acquisition amply demonstrates this and just because Albert refuses to get into contract worries during the season doesn’t mean ownership, management and his agent are so bound…only that he doesn’t want to hear about it while the season’s still in play. My hunch? A “creative” solution to the Pujols contract is already agreed upon by all but Albert…he’ll be a Cardinal for life; his eventual contract will be unlike anything ever before seen in major league baseball; it will pay him more than any contract ever written in baseball history; BUT as it will almost certainly involve obligations well past Albert’s time on “active duty” with the Cardinals and perhaps an ownership position as well in return for less money during his playing years, it will pay Pujols what he’s worth but also will give the club a continuing ability to sign players in the future, too.

Ferrariman
5 years 3 days ago

paragraphs are a wonderful thing…..anyways, i agree with your post.

except for the part you said John Mozeliak is a good “poker player”

he got absolutely fleeced in Matt Holliday and Kyle Lohse deals. Holliday should have been signed for at,or under 100million and Lohse shouldn’t get more than 1year+options.

Andy_B
5 years 3 days ago

as a cards fan I don’t think Mo should be bragging about signing holliday, in the end Boras got Mo to bid against himself and bid substantially more than any other team did.

5 years 3 days ago

Succeeded with Holiday? Waiting till the last minute, bidding against yourself, and overpaying by a ton is success? I love cardinal fans! The cards have weakest farm system in ML and have no money to spend on oswalt. Astros do not want to trade him to their most hated rival. The astros have stated Shelby Miller is not enough and the cards dont even want to offer that! Cards are out of the oswalt sweepstakes.

BajaPete
5 years 3 days ago

The Holliday “rental” trade became a success the minute he signed out of free agency and notwithstanding the “expertise” of the forever-carping P-D and the so-called “experts” at ESPN, Fox, and the other national pontificators that so many buy into, it got us to the post season last year; will again this year and well into the future. Mozeliak whipped Billy Beane and then outwaited Boras perfectly…and each successive season makes the deal even more of a bargain. I’m more in agreement about Lohse, but the logic was there, too, given his numbers…just that it’s always less certain with a pitcher than with a position player like Holliday. The jury’s still out, but it’s looking good…and a Lohse at #5 in the rotation behind our three aces and Oswalt is totally INSANE!!!

MoCrash
5 years 3 days ago

Amazing how the “weak” Cardinals farm system has managed to produce interest on the trade market for players which were deemed at the time to be quality — like Holliday and DeRosa — as well as the top rookie 3B (Freese, until injury), one of the top pitchers (Garcia), rookie or otherwise, in the NL, two OFers (Jay and Craig) who successfully filled the breach during the Ludwick injury and a SS (Greene) who has been both productive at the plate (.767 OPS) and field (4.85 RF/9). If the ranks at Memphis look a little thin, it’s probably because the bushers are doing good work at the MLB level.

Still, the Cardinals are low in near-MLB-ready SP prospects, and their positional depth doesn’t match the Astros’ needs. It may be that nothing works out there, despite interest from both Oswalt and the Cardinals, who still expect Lohse and Penny to return before the stretch drive.

mrlyngreen
5 years 3 days ago

I agree that the Cardinals are out of the Oswalt sweepstakes. As a Cardinal fan I am glad. The Astros have overpriced Oswalt and why should the Cardinals spend money on him when they still have Albert to sign? Astros and other teams hate the Cardinals because they win so much (2nd most championship titles in MLB history). That is a hatred that I for one can live with.

Dave_Gershman
5 years 3 days ago

I said “IF” they weren’t competing.

chucktb
5 years 3 days ago

One of the reasons the Cards’ farm system is weak is b/c the system has graduated many players to its major league roster over the last couple of years or traded them to other organizations for Holliday or DeRosa. Just over the last year and a half, the Cards’ system has lost Wallace, Perez, Todd, Mortensen, Rasmus, Freese, Jay, Motte, Boggs, and Garcia. Now, the system is relatively weak.