The Brewers’ Asking Price For Corey Hart

The Brewers asked the Giants for Jonathan Sanchez or Madison Bumgarner in exchange for Corey Hart, according to Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle (Twitter link). Giants GM Brian Sabean is understandably hesitant to deal either pitcher.

The Brewers appear willing to deal Hart, though the right fielder has been red-hot since the middle of May. The Giants, Rays, Padres and Braves are among the teams interested in the 28-year-old. Hart has a .288/.349/.569 line with 21 homers this season after a disappointing 2009 campaign. He earns $4.8MM this year and doesn't become a free agent until after 2011.

Sanchez has a 3.47 ERA with 9.0 K/9 and 4.6 BB/9 this season. The Giants control the 27-year-old's rights through 2012. Baseball America ranked Bumgarner second among Giants prospects before the season (after Buster Posey). So far in 2010, the 20-year-old left-hander has started four games and posted a 2.57 ERA.


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119 Comments on "The Brewers’ Asking Price For Corey Hart"


clintbobsky
5 years 1 month ago

Well, that sounds like they’ll ask for Latos from the Pads

MoveInTheFences
5 years 1 month ago

They can ask all they want, but the only thing they will hear on the other end of the phone is dial tone.

GreySuit
5 years 1 month ago

Or the laughter of Jed Hoyer.

magnushanso
5 years 1 month ago

Melvin should be asking a lot for Hart. Hart will be a Type A free agent at the end of next year (and if any team doesn’t think he will be then they wouldn’t be trying to trade for him).

The price should be Type A compensation + 1.5 years of a slightly above average corner outfielder.

The Brewers’ problem is that Melvin doesn’t seem good at placing a value on what he’s getting back. Just the fact that he asked for Sanchez OR Bumgarner from the Giants shows that he doesn’t have much of a clue, as Bumgarner is worth quite a bit more than Sanchez is.

Piccamo
5 years 1 month ago

I would imagine that it would involve more in addition to Sanchez and that he would simply be one of the ML-ready pieces coming back.

magnushanso
5 years 1 month ago

Hmm, yeah that’s possible. Maybe Melvin is saying something like: Deal #1: Hart + something else (maybe Bush, maybe prospect) for Bumgarner.Deal #2: Hart for Sanchez + something else.That sure would make a lot more sense… though I still don’t know why Melvin would go after Sanchez at all when what the Brewers need is controllable pitching that is actually good. Sanchez in front of the Brewers terrible defense in a much more hitter friendly park scares me.

coolstorybro222
5 years 1 month ago

Well. The Brewers are a dead end team, and it’s better than losing him to Free agency, plus they help their horrible, horrible rotation out a little. What was the GM Of the Brew crew thinking signing Doug Davis and Randy Wolf two wash ups of pitchers, when he cuuld’ve signed John Lackey or anybody else.

vtadave
5 years 1 month ago

Uh, did you see what Wolf did in 2009?…and you think the Brewers should have signed Lackey to an $80 million+ deal? Fortunately for Brew Crew fans, you’re a message board guy, not a GM.

brewcrew6
5 years 1 month ago

4 words Melvin is an Idiot.

magnushanso
5 years 1 month ago

I can’t believe he puts Bumgarner and Sanchez in the same value universe.

Nylund
5 years 1 month ago

Agreed. Hart for Sanchez plus pieces? I say pull the trigger. For Bumgarner? No. Madison has a great future. At 28, Sanchez’ “potential” is quickly becoming another “could-have-been.” The Giants don’t really need 3 lefties in the starting five. My only worry is that there is no obvious pick for Sanchez’ replacement. (Martinez? Pucetas? Hacker?). If one of them (my guess is Pucetas) is the +”pieces” then it becomes even trickier.

clintbobsky
5 years 1 month ago

Well, that sounds like the Brewers will ask for Latos from the Padres…

aap212
5 years 1 month ago

How’s that? Latos is better, younger, and not even sniffing arbitration yet.

5 years 1 month ago

Latos ! is one of the top 5 pitchers in the league ,untouchable, for hart, padres will give LF/1B K BLANKS, 3 Pitching,prospects,,for hart ,wont mess with are pitching, ,Roy oswalt, is coming ,to diego and jermain Diy done deal DONE, DEAL, PADRES NL W CHAMPS

5 years 1 month ago

No they’ll ask for Castro and the Padres will tell them they aren’t interested.

aap212
5 years 1 month ago

What are the Brewers supposed to ask for, one of the Giants’ expendable positional studs?

oremlk
5 years 1 month ago

Um, wow. That’s too much for Hart, and is exactly why nobody should buy him right now.

5 years 1 month ago

Do not want. I wouldn’t trade either of those guys for a player like Hart who’s likely to be punished statistically moving from Miller to AT&T, and who’s also due for some regression in the 2nd half. We’ve seen Sabean make too many stupid trades for overrated position players. I still have shudder when I hear the name A.J. Pierzynski.

Soxman17
5 years 1 month ago

I’m a Sox fan who really wishes the Giants wouldn’t have given up what they did for AJ.

5 years 1 month ago

Pass. Hart is someone you just can feel is going to have a horrendous second half. Rightfully, the Brewers are trying to sell high, but any GM who bites should be fired on the spot. Miller Park is a launching pad as evidenced by the Giants 4 games there – they need a legit hitter. Not buying that Hart is one because of a flashy first half.

5 years 1 month ago

Milwaukee wants Jonathan Sanchez for Corey Hart? Are they nuts?

magnushanso
5 years 1 month ago

They’re nuts for being dumb enough to want Sanchez, if that’s what you’re saying.

SixtoLezcano
5 years 1 month ago

I wouldn’t give up Hart for Jonathan Sanchez. Bumgarner is probably too much though.

greengrove
5 years 1 month ago

You wouldn’t give up 1 1/2 years of Hart for 2 1/2 years of Sanchez? A pitcher with dynamic stuff for a hitter who has been good for half of one season? Never become a General Manager.

SixtoLezcano
5 years 1 month ago

I have “dynamic stuff” too, if you don’t need me to throw if over the plate. Hart is a former top prospect who had an .892 OPS in 2007, a decent first half in 2008, an injury-shortened ’08/’09, and a .918 OPS in 2010. But apparently I’m the only one with a memory longer than two years.

The Giants’ best offensive player is Aubrey Huff, they’re not really in a position to negotiate if they want to win this season.

I’m sure you’d make a superb GM though!

greengrove
5 years 1 month ago

Having a weak lineup does not weaken your negotiation powers… You’d be willing to accept less from the Yankees because they already have a good lineup?

And because you wanted me to include all of his numbers I included his career stats and averaged them over a 150 game period; the totals:
.275 Avg. 22 HRs 81 RBI .813 ops…. And a -3.4 UZR in right field. This is a ballpark that is much more hitter friendly then the giants home field… A year and a half of this for Jonathon Sanchez? No thanks.

rainyperez
5 years 1 month ago

Actually the Giants offense has been the 2nd best in the Majors since the start of July…Along with Huff and Ishikawa, Posey has been a huge upgrade and a punch in the arm for the Giants offense…Also the Giants have the most leverage, because the Giants are loaded with pitching talent and have produced great pitching prospects over the years…

Jason_F
5 years 1 month ago

An 11 game sample size means absolutely nothing, especially when 7 out of those 11 games were against pitching staffs as weak as Milwaukee and Washington’s. Also, Huff and Posey have been nothing short of spectacular, but you are absolutely kidding yourself if you have any confidence in Ishikawa sustaining this hot streak. All that said, I think Sanchez is an overpayment for Hart, a guy, as many other commenters have noted, who is due for regression in the second half. The Giants definitely need an upgrade on offense and with Huff proving his versatility in the field, it has given the Giants several options as to what position they would target in a trade (1B, 3B, LF, RF).

rainyperez
5 years 1 month ago

Hey Jason_F long time no see…anyway I was merely stating that Ishikawa has been contributing to our offense which has been 2nd in the majors for this past month. Believe me if you look at the other articles, I have been very articulate about getting another bat and a left handed reliever to upgrade the Giants…

55saveslives
5 years 1 month ago

You are a lefty that can hit 95?? Pshhh

magnushanso
5 years 1 month ago

Manny Parra. You just think you know it all don’t you?

Funny how you make it obvious that you are clueless.

55saveslives
5 years 1 month ago

LOL what the hell are you talking about??

magnushanso
5 years 1 month ago

Maybe I read you wrong, but I thought you were saying that the Brewers don’t have a lefty starter who can hit 95.

55saveslives
5 years 1 month ago

The previous guy said was comparing himself to Sanchez.

55saveslives
5 years 1 month ago

The previous guy said was comparing himself to Sanchez.

magnushanso
5 years 1 month ago

LOL. Some GM you’d make, obviously you have no grasp of a pitcher’s peripheral numbers. Notice Sanchez has a xFIP well over 4.00? Notice his career WHIP is above 1.4? Notice he plays in an extreme pitchers park? Notice he walks almost 5 batters per 9?

The Brewers already have a lefty with “dynamic stuff,” stuff better than Sanchez. His name is Manny Parra, and he struggles because he doesn’t throw enough strikes… just like Sanchez.

greengrove
5 years 1 month ago

Ha! You’re right, peripheral numbers are way over my head. Psych!
However, Jonathan Sanchez has a WAR of 6.5 over the last three years compared to Hart’s WAR of 4.1. What’s more, you get an entire extra year of Sanchez.

And I would make a great Gm. Problem is I’m an 18 year old Junior at UCSD with a major in biology. I do have a 4.0 Gpa, but there’s simply no precedent for that kind of hiring. Drat! Maybe they’ll take my fantasy trophies into consideration.

Yankees420
5 years 1 month ago

Wow, I haven’t seen someone use “psych” since the 7th grade.

greengrove
5 years 1 month ago

Hey man, it was a great word in the 90’s and it’s a great word now.
It’s also a pretty good class.

Yankees420
5 years 1 month ago

Haha, I wasn’t putting it down, just saying that it took me back.

greengrove
5 years 1 month ago

Ha! You’re right, peripheral numbers are way over my head. Psych!
However, Jonathan Sanchez has a WAR of 6.5 over the last three years compared to Hart’s WAR of 4.1. What’s more, you get an entire extra year of Sanchez.

And I would make a great Gm. Problem is I’m an 18 year old Junior at UCSD with a major in biology. I do have a 4.0 Gpa, but there’s simply no precedent for that kind of hiring. Drat! Maybe they’ll take my fantasy trophies into consideration.

55saveslives
5 years 1 month ago

Probably???

5 years 1 month ago

So based on those ludicrous demands they’ll want Hellickson from Tampa or Tommy Hanson from ATL?

The Brewers are reaching.

vtadave
5 years 1 month ago

Yeah…they really should just ask for Eugenio Velez and Todd Wellemeyer, right?

5 years 1 month ago

Equally ridiculous. Velez and Wellemeyer aren’t worth Shea Hillenbrand or Ricky Ledee. Seriously.

That said, Sanchez or MadBum are absurd requests. They’d be better to try for Pucetas and maybe a positional prospect…they’re vastly over-selling Hart(again, good for them) but this is a buy low market- I don’t think a lot of teams are going to be doing what Texas did by including Smoak- especially not for a questionable player running a good first half in a launching pad.

55saveslives
5 years 1 month ago

I’m sure you’d be ok with them wanting Kershaw!

CitizenSnips
5 years 1 month ago

Are you seriously comparing Sanchez to Hellickson and Hanson? Posters here are putting a lot of stock in someone who aside from his K/9 isn’t really that great at all.

rainyperez
5 years 1 month ago

You are greatly underestimating Sanchez Citizen. I don’t need to tell about his no-no last year, but Sanchez is a great pitcher and was a hard luck loser this year in a couple of games…His batting average against has decreased every year, while averaging a strikeout an inning. Every team in the league would want a guy like this! Besides his walk totals once he gets it all together he will be a better pitcher than Lincecum, Cain, and Bumgarner. You just can’t teach swing and miss stuff like Sanchez has. And this is coming from a diehard Giants fan!

CitizenSnips
5 years 1 month ago

You must be very proud of your son, Mr. Sanchez.

rainyperez
5 years 1 month ago

My whole point which I should’ve mentioned is that Hart for Sanchez will never fly, because Sanchez has higher upside and is under control until 2012. And yeah I tear up every time he strikes out somebody Citizen its just too much for my old soul…

55saveslives
5 years 1 month ago

Sanchez will never be better than any of those three

Yankees420
5 years 1 month ago

“he will be a better pitcher than Lincecum…”

That made me laugh pretty hard.

brewersnrays
5 years 1 month ago

hahahaha that was hilarious!

oh… you were serious…? I’d hesitate trading Hart for Sanchez, but in the end I think I’d do it. Hart had a season and a half long slump. He is still a career .275/.329/.484 hitter who posted back to back 20/20 seasons before he started swinging at every slider thrown his way. Since he figured it out, he has found his power stroke again. He’d be stealing bases too, but Macha hates running. He is not a superstar, but neither is Sanchez. The two match up pretty well, in my opinion. Sanchez is Manny Parra a little further along in his development.

magnushanso
5 years 1 month ago

Exactly. Sanchez is just a more seasoned Manny Parra. The similarity is remarkable.

5 years 1 month ago

“once he gets it all together he will be a better pitcher than Lincecum”

That is the most retarded thing I have ever heard on here. Sir you need to either stop drinking or start. Cuz that is the worst comment ever. Your mother must be so proud.

brewcrew6
5 years 1 month ago

Hart for Sanchez is fair, Minor upgrade over Bush.

rainyperez
5 years 1 month ago

You think Sanchez is a minor upgrade over Bush? You are hilarious!

Jay212033
5 years 1 month ago

Wow lol keep dreaming! Sanchez is way better than Bush!

brewcrew6
5 years 1 month ago

How so ERA and quality start wise.

magnushanso
5 years 1 month ago

ERA is a garbage stat though, the defense behind a pitcher as well as park factors influence it too much. You can’t really say one guy is better because he has a better ERA. The best way to evaluate a pitcher based on numbers is to look at everything together in terms of peripherals. WHIP, xFIP, K/9, BB/9, GB% and BABIP can give you a pretty good picture if you use them all.

sdsuphilip
5 years 1 month ago

that would be a rip off for SF, no way im trading Richard or Latos for Hart if im a Pad fan nor am I dealing Castro for him

sdsuphilip
5 years 1 month ago

if im a pad fan. Lol I am

vacommish
5 years 1 month ago

Braves should look at Hart and Gamel for top pitching prospect Mike Minor and OF Melkey Cabrera.

aap212
5 years 1 month ago

Milwaukee wouldn’t give up both those guys for one prospect and one spare part, and Atlanta has no use for Gamel, really.

5 years 1 month ago

we actually need a third baseman, as most dont really see chipper jones returning after this season..mat gamel would be a good choice, as would gioing after Alex Gordon…however, you are correct that wouldnt be near enough for both of them…probably more like minor,schafter,chris resop and cody johnson would probably do the trick for the two of them

aap212
5 years 1 month ago

Gamel isn’t a third baseman at the big league level. Additionally, I don’t think adding Resop and Johnson to a trade accomplishes much. Johnson’s not a big leaguer in the end.

NL_East_Rivalry
5 years 1 month ago

I wouldn’t trade 6 years of Minor for 1 1/2 of Hart. Minor has shown that he is not only ready to play in 2011, but that he’s actually a good pitcher now too.

aap212
5 years 1 month ago

I didn’t say I would either. I’m not a big Hart fan, and if the Braves are going to trade for a corner player, it should either be a real third baseman (i.e. not Gamel) or an outfielder who’s great enough to make you swallow benching McLouth. If I were the Braves, I’d be comfortable trading Minor, though. His start to the year was seen as out of his norm, his velocity has apparently already come down from earlier in the year, he has a walk rate, and he’s still not one of the top two Braves pitching prospects. I could see selling high on him, especially since you don’t need starters now. Not saying he’s a bad prospect by any stretch, but I could see trading him.

aap212
5 years 1 month ago

I didn’t say I would either. I’m not a big Hart fan, and if the Braves are going to trade for a corner player, it should either be a real third baseman (i.e. not Gamel) or an outfielder who’s great enough to make you swallow benching McLouth. If I were the Braves, I’d be comfortable trading Minor, though. His start to the year was seen as out of his norm, his velocity has apparently already come down from earlier in the year, he has a walk rate, and he’s still not one of the top two Braves pitching prospects. I could see selling high on him, especially since you don’t need starters now. Not saying he’s a bad prospect by any stretch, but I could see trading him.

coolstorybro222
5 years 1 month ago

I would jump in a tub with a toaster rather than trade mike minor for a guy that’s having a career year.

Jay212033
5 years 1 month ago

I really hope the Braves stay far, far, FAR away from Hart!

losingfaithinmightymelvin
5 years 1 month ago

Alright Jay, what if we offer up Hart for two boxes of baseballs, a case of Hank Aaron bobble heads, and a seasons supply of grape (or strawberry) flavored big league chew? As a Brewer fan I’d take that deal in a Hart-beat.

55saveslives
5 years 1 month ago

People in hell want ice water!

HHHDMS
5 years 1 month ago

Id say to hell no to the Brewers request because even if Sanchez is wild at times, he does have great stuff…in fact no hit stuff (last year) and Baum is going to be a great one..
Velez, Wellmeyer, Renteria , Burriss , Joe Martinez & Gary Radnich for Hart :-)

aap212
5 years 1 month ago

Would you instruct those players to actually pee on Doug Melvin upon arriving in Milwaukee?

CitizenSnips
5 years 1 month ago

Having no hit stuff is debatable. Sometimes you’re just facing a slumping ballclub or some really stupid hitters. I mean Doc Ellis was on LSD when he threw his and Edwin Jackson walked the ballpark to get his. Crappy control is crappy control no matter how dominant you *could* be.

rainyperez
5 years 1 month ago

He faced the Padres that night, who by the way since after the All-Star break last season have been in the top 5 baseball teams up until now…He also was robbed of a perfect game because of an error by Juan Uribe. Sanchez has undeniably good stuff, and yes I will agree with you he can be wild…but even when Edwin Jackson is on, it doesn’t even compare to when Johnathan Sanchez is running on all cylinders.

MoveInTheFences
5 years 1 month ago

The Padres also had the least amount of hits in all of baseball last year which means they where (statistically at least) the easiest team to have a no hitter against. Sanchez is good and worth more than Hart, but you’re making it seem like he’s a lot better than he is. Sanchez is a middle of the rotation pitcher with a top of the rotation arm.

rainyperez
5 years 1 month ago

He is good and make no mistake about it I KNOW Sanchez for Hart is not a good deal. Even if the Padres were statistically the “easiest” team to pitch a no hitter/almost perfect game against, it is never easy to throw one. If it were so, the other Aces of the league had a chance to throw one against the Padres. A no hitter against a team is a no hitter you can’t take that away from Sanchez. Why I like him so much is that he has swing and miss stuff plus his batting average against has decreased every year since he’s been up. I won’t say don’t trade him for a bat, but just don’t swap him for Hart.

MoveInTheFences
5 years 1 month ago

We agree he’s worth more than Hart and I’m not trying to take anything away from him. A no hitter is a no hitter, but it was against one of if not the worst offensive team in baseball last year.

He’s got good stuff. He misses a lot of bats. That’s all well and good, but he doesn’t keep runs off the board like the best pitchers in the game and that’s all that really matterS. At 27 years old and 500+ innings into his big league career, I’m not expecting him to get much better. He is what he is, a middle of the rotation starter. He’s a #3 AT BEST.

rainyperez
5 years 1 month ago

Well I think if you looked at Randy Johnson at age 27 you would say the same thing too. Everyone knew Randy had the stuff, but was just TOO effectively wild. But in the end he ended up having a HOF career. Am I saying Sanchez is going to be a HOF? No I’m not. If you’re give up on a pitcher who is still relatively young I feel like you’re jumping the gun…If you need another example look at Chris Carpenter.

MoveInTheFences
5 years 1 month ago

Great point, but don’t hold your breath. Sanchez hasn’t even finished a full season with a sub 4 ERA. RJ did that in his second full season and Carpenter didn’t have it quite as easy pitching in the AL East.

Tim Valencia
5 years 1 month ago

Potential is weak argument to keep basing your bias on. Would you say Oliver Perez and Sanchez are the same since they both have great swing and miss stuff but cant figure it out between the ears yet?

5 years 1 month ago

Agreed, no way I would give up solid pitching with upside for a guy who is prolly gonna flame out in the second half. But maybe Hart is finally reaching his potential, I’ve heard a few baseball guys compare him talent wise to Jayson Werth.

Civilization
5 years 1 month ago

If no hitters hold value to you then I’ve got a trade to make with you. Armando Galarraga was robbed of a perfect game, much as Sanchez was. I’d be willing to trade you him for the low low price of Buster Posey.

HHHDMS
5 years 1 month ago

Well if Melvin wanted to be “pissed ” off I would :-)
Seriously I dont see a trade happening for Hart..the Giants/Sabean value their pitching..
I dont believe in slumps when a pitcher no hits a team…Sanchez pitched the game of his life for that no hitter..it does take a break or two…and even so , when a team is slumping that shouldnt mean they should be no hit by a # 4 starter ..
Everyone says Sanchez has great stuff but is effectively wild like Mitch Williams…

5 years 1 month ago

I’d give up Sanchez, not Bumgarner 20 year old south paw no way. Corey Hart is good, but not that good.

HerbertAnchovy
5 years 1 month ago

Agreed. Bumganer for Hart would probably come back to haunt SF.

Will32
5 years 1 month ago

AHAHHAA! Sanchez or Bumgarner for Hart?? I could see Sanchez Hart, mid level prospect. But definately not a straight up swap.

Sage
5 years 1 month ago

Personally, I don’t care what we get for Hart. Word is that the Brewers and Rays are talking Corey Hart for Matt Moore and Matthew Sweeney. Seems fair to me, to be honest. Moore is an above-average prospect (but the Rays still have Hellickson, Torres, etc.) and Sweeney is an average 1B prospect, for a guy who, in a normal year, is just a bit above-average.

bigpat
5 years 1 month ago

I think Hart for Sanchez is a fair trade. Each of them have been inconsistent but have shown flashes of greatness and they seem to have it together this season. It just depends on whether you put a greater value on pitching or hitting. These teams match up well because Milwaukee is hitting rich and pitching poor and the Giants are the opposite, though they look better than last year depth wise.

I also think the Brewers should add a starter like Bush to fill the vacant rotation spot that Sanchez leaves behind. Pay half of his salary and that might get a warm body sent back at least.

oremlk
5 years 1 month ago

Hart for Sanchez, sure. Hart for Sanchez AND Bumgarner? No way.

CitizenSnips
5 years 1 month ago

That’s why there is an ‘or’ in the first sentence.