Odds & Ends: Owings, Zaun, Rangers, Hawpe

Links for Thursday, exactly seven years after the Padres traded Jason Bay and Oliver Perez to the Pirates for Brian Giles. Bay and Perez are teammates once again, though Perez barely pitches and Bay is on the disabled list with a concussion…

 


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36 Comments on "Odds & Ends: Owings, Zaun, Rangers, Hawpe"


5 years 7 days ago

In Juan Pierre’s eyes, I’m “probably one of the top five hitters ever.”

5 years 7 days ago

Manny says “Thanks, uh, you’re one of the top five hitters in my eyes too”

5_tool_MiLB_fool
5 years 7 days ago

i find what he said to be surprising, afterall manny was the reason as to why he sat his ass on the bench in LA, the same will be for chicago

coach_coryell
5 years 7 days ago

Gotta love those gut-busting jokes at Juan Pierre’s expense. I personally can’t figure out whether it’s his .299 career batting average or his 500+ career steals that makes him such a laughingstock among the experts that post on message boards.

moonraker45
5 years 7 days ago

lighten up buzz killington

coach_coryell
5 years 7 days ago

When it comes to defending the honor and integrity of Juan Pierre’s career achievements I will never lighten up—not even after moonraker45 lightheartedly advises me to do so.

ophaq2
5 years 7 days ago

You Sox fans always get your panties in a bunch….it’s that Hawk Harrelson homer syndrome.

Soxman17
5 years 7 days ago

Wait, so fans aren’t supposed to be “homers”?

5 years 7 days ago

what makes him a laughingstock is calling manny ramirez one of the top 5 hitters ever.

c’mon. I can start naming 5 players from the last decade that are/were better hitters than ramirez.

this is what happens when people play a game while being ignorant of its history.

5 years 7 days ago

He may not be one of the top 5 hitters ever but relative to his time he is one of the better if not best hitters to ever play the game.

Hermie13
5 years 7 days ago

In the last 20 years….the only hitters I would say where better than Manny were Pujols, Bonds, and Alex Rodriguez.

Manny isn’t one of the top 5 hitters off all time, but I’d put him top 25. Yes, the whole “steroid” thing puts a bit of a damper on it (though people forget that he never tested positive for ANY “enhancer” let alone steroids).

jwsox
5 years 7 days ago

and steroids dont help you take walks and hit singles, they do on the other hand help you hit home runs and win 2 world series when your 3-4 hitters, manny and big papi were on them…many is a career .315 hitter yes there are some hits in there becuase he was though to have used roids but I would easily put in in the top five hitters since he came into the league and for sure the top 50 of all time

Sleepykarl
5 years 7 days ago

“and steroids dont help you take walks and hit singles, they do on the other hand help you hit home runs”

You really don’t use reason in your argument. First, you shine no light on how steroids help a hitter, then use a terribly conceived idea highlighted above. If steroids make balls that were not gonna be HRs become HRs, then can they not turn a soft linedrive to the SS into a single into LF? Also, if they increase a hitters HRs, would pitchers be more careful in their approach to him and concede him walks more often than a guy with lesser power?

coach_coryell
5 years 7 days ago

Among the top 5 hitters most similar to Ramirez (according to baseball reference): Jimmy Foxx, Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams.As you say, “c’mon”. Like him or not, PED’s or not, Manny’s lifetime numbers are SICK and consistently sustained over an 18 year period. An off the cuff comment by Pierre about Manny’s greatness hardly makes him a laughingstock or a baseball history ignoramus.

5 years 7 days ago

You forgot the pop gun throwing arm only rivaled by johnny damon in its eliteness

coach_coryell
5 years 7 days ago

And now we are discussing his arm… OK, well name one player in the HISTORY OF BASEBALL that could make a running catch near the wall then HIGH-FIVE a fan better than Manny Ramirez could. Go ahead, I dare you.

the_show
5 years 7 days ago

lol Minaya would say that to the newspaper

5 years 7 days ago

check out giles’s stats he was a beast for a couple year period

5 years 7 days ago

Blake Beavan has an ERA close to 6.00 and is averaging 4.5 K/9 since coming to the Mariners organization. Not sure how that qualifies as playing well.

5 years 7 days ago

I hope Beaven does well but how is an almost 6 ERA and more than a hit per inning pitched split between AA and AAA pitching “very well”? Did the author even look at how he’s done before writing this?

icedrake523
5 years 7 days ago

The Padres can have Bay and Perez back.

wild05fan
5 years 7 days ago

Unfortunately for Pierre, one of the top five hitters ever doesn’t mean one of the top five hitters in the game today.

start_wearing_purple
5 years 7 days ago

Manny’s a great hitter definitely will have his name among the best… but top 5 all time? Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Ted Williams, Lou Gehrig, Rogers Hornsby, Stan Musial, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron…

darkhoarse820
5 years 7 days ago

I say the Dodgers give Manny to the Sox for Pierre and Andruw Jones…If that happens, I will seriously laugh myself to death…and then I’ll cry for twenty years.

5 years 7 days ago

I’m glad that, we pass in Hawpe we need another starting pitching.

FxFrenikk
5 years 7 days ago

I would like to see the Indians score a run or two per game.

I guess I qualify as the assistant Indians GM now. Can I be the assistant to the assistant and just be an armchair quarterback?

SmackSaw
5 years 7 days ago

Willie Mays was one of the top 5 hitters ever. I guess JP thinks he could help the Sox.

Hermie13
5 years 7 days ago

Antonetti hit the nail on the head there. The Indians MUST find a way to play better infield defense. Even Cabrera has sucked this year at SS.

Masterson’s FIP-ERA differential is disgustingly bad. Fans and “experts” are calling for him to move to the pen…..give him a defense, and this guy is a legit #3 right now.

Tribe would have at least 5 more wins now with better D.

Not too worried about the offense. Santana and Grady are out. Anyone notice how much of a funk Choo has been in since Santana went down? Choo has no protection in the lineup now….he has Duncan batting behind him half the time.

The defense and the top of the rotation are the biggest concerns. A better defense though, makes the rotation look a lot better.

5 years 7 days ago

I think we know enough about Micah Owings to know that he’s not a very good major league pitcher, his control isn’t up to par. That said, he might be the one pitcher who actually has a shot at transitioning into a hitter at this level (besides Ankiel I guess). Ankiel took time to reach the majors as a hitter, I’d guess that Owings wouldn’t need that much time. Who knows, hitting is hard but Owings has shown the ability, he should probably give it a try if his time is running out as a pitcher.

moonraker45
5 years 6 days ago

Dear Gregg Zaun,

No

Sincerely,

Everyone

Hermie13
5 years 7 days ago

What PED did Manny test positive for though? He tested positive for a drug that may or may not have been used to mask the loss of testerone from using.

There’s a big difference.

brstreet9
5 years 7 days ago

To drive your point home, I would like to see what kind of stats Mantle, Foxx, and Teddy Ballgame would have put up if they were on the juice. Ruth’s record might have went down a long time ago

coach_coryell
5 years 7 days ago

To help stave off more fictitious quotes such as “it doesn’t matter whether the guy used drugs to improve/sustain his performance”, allow me to paraphrase:
while his PED use or non-use is a matter of speculation, the fact remains that Manny’s stats compare favorably to some all-time great hitters.

Sleepykarl
5 years 7 days ago

The two medical uses of that masking agent are testicular cancer or to help an infertile female become pregnant. Will he join Brian Cushings in the reasoning of it being beyond medical doctor’s comprehension?

start_wearing_purple
5 years 7 days ago

I understand what you’re saying but almost any age in baseball you can say there was something that skewed stats one way or another. Ultimately we can only go with what we’ve got.

coach_coryell
5 years 6 days ago

Thanks for missing every single point on this tiresome thread. It seems that you can’t resist hitting that reply button, but in the future perhaps you should pause before doing so and ask yourself the following question: “Am I good enough at thinking, reading, and writing to use this forum without totally wasting the time of others?”