Royals Intend To Listen To Offers For Greinke

The Royals boast baseball's best farm system, deep with impact bats and power arms, but the timetable for those prospects might not match up with their best player, starter Zack Greinke. Because of that, ESPN's Buster Olney reports (Insider req'd) that the team intends to listen to "any and all" offers for the righthander, who has two years and $27MM left on his contract before free agency.

Five days away from his 27th birthday, Greinke would instantly become the best available starter on the trade market this offseason and the second best available pitcher overall behind free agent-to-be Cliff Lee. The 2009 Cy Young Award winner posted a 4.17 ERA in 2010, but his peripherals were still excellent (7.4 K/9, 2.3 BB/9) and his fastball was as lively as ever. The high ERA is the result of a 65.3% left-on-base rate, well below the 72.2% league average. Kansas City's porous defense (-44.5 UZR, third worst in MLB) had a hand in that.

Olney notes that because Greinke is under contract for two more years, they don't have to trade him just yet. They could wait until the deadline or next offseason to get the offer they want, and there's always the possibility of an extension assuming Greinke likes what he sees as far as the rebuilding process. He sounded pessimistic about those efforts back in August, though.

Greinke does have a limited no-trade clause in his contract for this season according to Cot's, though the extent of his veto power is unknown.


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208 Comments on "Royals Intend To Listen To Offers For Greinke"


dizzle4
4 years 10 months ago

With Greinke, Prince Fielder, Adrian Gonzalez, Matt Kemp and Colby Rasmus all rumored to be possibly traded this off-season (not saying they will, but that at least we’ll hear a bunch of rumors about them!), this winter could be a blast.

4 years 10 months ago

The Cardinals won’t trade Colby Rasmus. He is a top (Cardinal farm system) prospect, young, and cheap. Also, I don’t think a lot of teams will be interested in the baggage that comes with Colby: his dad who thinks he’s a coach

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

I agree, and as a Royals fan, it’s really exciting to imagine our farm system even better than it already is. Imagine Montero and Betances added to Lamb, Duffy, Colon, Giavotella, Moose, Monty, Eibner, Keating, Hosmer, Myers, Perez, Dwyer, Collins, Coleman, D-Rob, Arguelles, Ventura, Sandford, Cuthbert, Santiago, and Simmons? That would be incredible. Although I think it’s best to trade Greinke next summer when his value is higher, I think the Royals can still get a lot for him now as well.

And all of this talk about him not succeeding in a large market, the truth is that nobody knows, so we just can’t rule out any teams. As you said, it’s going to be so exciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FriedCalamari
4 years 10 months ago

just curious, how many teams are you a fan of? Seems like a bit^^

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Every single one

4 years 10 months ago

cough except the yankees cough

4 years 10 months ago

I’m going to laugh at you when this doesen’t happen.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Trust me, if you laugh at me, ill understand

4 years 10 months ago

Wouldn’t Greinke’s value be highest now while the team has him for 2 full years instead of 1 1/2 or less?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

He didn’t have a good season so if they kept him until next summer he would have the chance to really rebuild his value.

Ferrariman
4 years 10 months ago

he would also have a chance to damage it even more if they waited till the deadline…..

if teams are still willing to give up an ace’s ransom to get grienke NOW, then i would do it.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

As would I, I was just pointing that out. Trade him today. 3:20 EST.

jth532
4 years 10 months ago

Plus teams contending at the deadline tend to be willing to give up more in an attempt to win that year.

Guest
4 years 10 months ago

He had a very good season.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Explain why? He did not.

jdub220
4 years 10 months ago

He’s 7th among AL pitchers in fWAR. That’s why.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Okay. And his ERA was over 200 points from what it was the year before, his K rate was down, he was extremely inconsistent. I’m sorry he didn’t have a good season.

opp BABIP was .314
He was -.50 clutch

Guest
4 years 10 months ago

come on now.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

I’m sorry, what do you want me to say?

He did not have a good season.

vtadave
4 years 10 months ago

Clearly he took a step back, but taking a step back from a Cy Young season to a solid starter doesn’t mean he had a “bad” season. Maybe bad by HIS standards, but far from bad when measured versus the overall SP population.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

So what I meant was, for greinke, it wasn’t good.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

I’m sorry, what do you want me to say?

He did not have a good season.

Guest
4 years 10 months ago

come on now.

jdub220
4 years 10 months ago

Just because this year’s performance wasn’t as good as last years, doesn’t mean he didn’t have a good year. He still was one of the best pitchers last year. You can book him for around 220 IP with a 3.10-3.40 ERA next year.

EDIT: My God, I said “year” like, 1000000000000000 times there. Oh well.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Certainly. He is one of the best pitchers in baseball, but to me, a 4.14 ERA doesn’t qualify as a good season. And he will have a good season next year.

jdub220
4 years 10 months ago

Just because this year’s performance wasn’t as good as last years, doesn’t mean he didn’t have a good year. He still was one of the best pitchers last year. You can book him for around 220 IP with a 3.10-3.40 ERA next year.

EDIT: My God, I said “year” like, 1000000000000000 times there. Oh well.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Okay. And his ERA was over 200 points from what it was the year before, his K rate was down, he was extremely inconsistent. I’m sorry he didn’t have a good season.

opp BABIP was .314
He was -.50 clutch

jdub220
4 years 10 months ago

He’s 7th among AL pitchers in fWAR. That’s why.

Ian_Smell
4 years 10 months ago

It’d be stupid for them not to listen, if someone is willing to ridiculously overpay for him, then they should think about trading him.

4 years 10 months ago

Greinke’s past anxiety issues will definitely deter most contending teams. Is there anyone out there that would trust him to not implode on a big stage? I wouldn’t, he’s a disaster waiting to happen.

4 years 10 months ago

This is true. His $27mil (2 years) is a hefty price tag for someone that could be the next Khalil Greene.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

no one knows what will happen. You can only assume or guess.

David McCutcheon
4 years 10 months ago

Which is why his point is legitimate.

4 years 10 months ago

As far as I know his mental health issues have never led him to break down mentally during a game.

4 years 10 months ago

They don’t lead to breakdowns–just laspes in judgment, an apathetic demeanor and a wandering mind.

Just_MLB
4 years 10 months ago

sounds like oliver perez has been leading a double life.

Just_MLB
4 years 10 months ago

sounds like oliver perez has been leading a double life.

Potrzeba
4 years 10 months ago

I bet the Yankees get into this one, maybe a trade like Phil huges, chamberlian, Gardner, montero for grienke and soria.

mikeclyne
4 years 10 months ago

Keep Hughes and Gardner and add Brackman and keep out Soria.

Brackman, Joba and Montero for Grienke

Next 5-10 years of Grienke and Hughes would be untouchable for Yankees. Add in CC and maybe one more year of Pettite. The Yankees would be back in the WS no question.

Potrzeba
4 years 10 months ago

U forgot cliff lee. Plus I’m a sox fan so we’d be screwed o this happened.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

How about just Betances and Montero for Greinke?

Soria is staying, but if he went to the Rays for Jennings and Hellickson that would be awesome for my Royals!!

Potrzeba
4 years 10 months ago

The royals would be set if they got hell boy and Jennings. I think the rays would trade Wade Davis for soria. But Jennings is gunna be there replacement for Crawford. I think the royals could easy get huges, chamberlian and montero for grienke. Or Gardner, chamberlian, montero, and 2 top prospects.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

I think Betances and Montero is more than enough for Greinke.

Potrzeba
4 years 10 months ago

I don’t know this betances guy? Who is he and what postion does he play?He wasn’t on the top 100 prospects list. Unless he’s really good I Expect the royals to ask for more.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

He is one of the top 5-10 pitching prospects in Baseball.

Potrzeba
4 years 10 months ago

They might ask to have chamberlian thrown in. Or the Yankees will throw him in. That sounds like a pretty even trade. I’d still ask for huges, Gardner, nova. Justvone though.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Nova Betances montero

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 10 months ago

Not even close! Montero couldn’t get 3 months of Cliff Lee, nevermind 2 years of Greinke!

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Okay I hear you. Montero, Betances, Adams, and Gardner?

4 years 10 months ago

Gardner isn’t going anywhere. David Adams might be solid trade bait. Span, if the Yankees(Hopefully)don’t trade for Zack, wouldn’t you like to see Texas go after him? Better atmosphere for Grienke.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Honestly Henry, absolutley…but I seriously think that maybe 2/3 of MLB teams might go after him and would be a decent fit. Because obviously there’s a chance that the pressure and media will get to greinke, but there’s also a chance it won’t, which is what a lot of teams see banking on and rightfully so. I would like to see the Rangers make a play but I would like to see tons of teams make a play as well

Potrzeba
4 years 10 months ago

Deal!

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Sounds good to me.

4 years 10 months ago

montero is the best hitting prospect in baseball. His value is increasing .

RoyalBlue
4 years 10 months ago

Are you kidding me look again…

4 years 10 months ago

he Yankees aren’t going to trade Phil Hughes. He won 18 games and is 24.

RoyalBlue
4 years 10 months ago

I sure they would!!! But you are also dreaming if you think the Royals would trade Soria for Davis…

Montero1220
4 years 10 months ago

How about NOT trading Montero. I was fine with Cashman trying to trade Montero for Halladay and maybe even Cliff Lee but Zack Greinke is NOWHERE near the caliber of those guys. The Yankees need Montero, bad defense and all. His bat is godlike and if we can get him to play passable defense (Brian McCann like defense) that would be epic. Cervelli has been uninspiring and Romine is looking like a below average starting catcher. Montero is the catcher Yankee fans have been waiting for.

How about Betances, Romine, and Joba for Greinke. I could see Eduardo Nunez and Brandon Laird also being trade bait for deals like this. The Royals need a shortstop after all. Call me greedy but I’d love for the Yankees to get Joakim Soria somehow. Who knows?

I have to say that this offseason is going to be way more exciting than last year. Alot of teams are catching on to small market success stories like the Rays and trying to build their teams the same way.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

I disagree with you bigtime

Potrzeba
4 years 10 months ago

Actually they drafted Christian colon this year. He’s there future ss. Ur giving up no good prospects for grienke. What do u think the royals are built off of? Prospects. That’s just like me saying trade grienke and soria to Boston for Anderson, bowden, reddick, ellsbury. If u want grienke and soria ur gunna have to give up good prospects. Like huges or gardner forthe center pieace, then montero, Betances, plus chamberlian or nova.

4 years 10 months ago

Brian McCann is an average defensive catcher

jwredsox
4 years 10 months ago

Montero isn’t a catcher. He doesn’t even play passable defense and is too big for the position. He is a career DH with Teixeira at first.

4 years 10 months ago

As a Red Sox fan, I would LOVE for them to do that. Oh man, my prayers would be answered.

I hope you’re trolling…

Potrzeba
4 years 10 months ago

I’m also a red sox fan to. We might e in trouble if the Yankees got grienke and soria. I don’t think Boston has room for grienke in our rotation. We would have to move dice-k. I don’t know if I could give up 4 top prospects for this guy. He would have a hell lot more pressure pitching for Boston or new York and in the AL east.

4 years 10 months ago

I don’t think so at all. If they gave up what you said, they would be a much weaker team. Greinke will not be in Yankee Stadium or Fenway Park. He just can’t handle the pressure.

I could definitely see a NL team going after him though. Maybe the Cards or Braves?

Potrzeba
4 years 10 months ago

I don’t know, I would say the Yankees will be on this one and the only way the sox get into this one is of the asking price is low. Which probs isn’t the case. I don’t think it will make there team weaker. The only guy they would really miss would be gardner. Grienke is an upgrade over huges, soria is an upgrade over chamberlian. Plus the Yankees will probs sign lee this offseason so cc, lee, grienke, pettite, nova. That’s still very strong rotation right there.

4 years 10 months ago

Pettitte is probably going to retire. and nova stats aftr the 5th inning are awful. nova should be a long reliver.

4 years 10 months ago

I think the Braves spent a lot trying to make something happen this year. I think you’ll see them unload a bit and not pick up big contracts in the 1st year of a new manager.

The Cardinals would love Greinke, but as mentioned by someone previously, he does have the anxiety issues. Two things that would not make St. Louis a buyer:

1) Pujols is going to cost a fortune and they will re-sign him for a long term deal
2) The Cardinals already have one expensive pitcher, Kyle Lo(h)se, that exploded in their face, I doubt they are going to throw down that kind of money ($10+ mil per year) on Greinke.

Potrzeba
4 years 10 months ago

Remember the braves also have some bad contracts. Like lowe, mcouth, and that asian pither. Plus I think they will foucus more on offsesne more that pitching. They’re stacked when it comes to pitching.

4 years 10 months ago

I don’t think there is any way the Royals trade Zack to the Cardinals. How many trades have these two done in the past? Any possible deal would start at the minimum with Rasmus if even possible to begin with.

Potrzeba
4 years 10 months ago

The cardinals have no good prospects outside of rasmus, and Shelly. Besides they are foucused on resigning pujols.

4 years 10 months ago

Cox?

vtadave
4 years 10 months ago

“Shelly”? Who is that?

And how is Rasmus a prospect? Ugh.

4 years 10 months ago

The Royals tried to pry Gardner away from NY over the offseason but they settled for Rick Ankiel. Personally, I was hoping they would get Gardner and would be open to seeing him play in KC’s horrendous pasture. DeJesus is all they have out there, and Brett could actually leadoff in KC. Seems like a fit, and if Soria is also thrown in, Hughes would have to come to KC too. But Soria, if not Billy Butler, is the most untouchable guy the Royals have.

RoyalBlue
4 years 10 months ago

Billy is far from untouchable we have an overload of talent that can play 1B…

RoyalBlue
4 years 10 months ago

LOL get out of here… Grienke and Soria… You want an ace and one the best closers in basebal… Keep dreaming!l

Ferrariman
4 years 10 months ago

the rangers seem like a logical fit.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

agreed. As do the Brewers…

Maybe some combo of Holland, Perez, and Scheppers and Beltre. (even though they have have a lot of LHP’s in the organization).

The Brewers could trade Lawrie, Odorizzi, Jeffress, and Cain for example…

The Reds could trade Mesoraco, Sappelt, and Hamilton.

The Dodgers could send over Trayvon Robinson and Dee Gordon

The Rockies could trade Wilin Rosario, Tyler Matzek, and Fowler.

The Nationals might have a decent package if they trade Norris, Storen, and Hood.

The Cubs, Brett Jackson, Chris Archer, and Colvin.

The Yankees, Montero and Betances

The Mets, Armando Rodriguez, Kirk Nieuwenhuis, Tejada, and Martinez.

Just speculating.

BillB325
4 years 10 months ago

Sorry unless he comes back to his 09 form I belive Brett Jackson Archer and Colvin is a little much for two years of expensive talent. Try Colvin, Lee, and Cashner.

theoldgrizzlybear
4 years 10 months ago

I’d consider dealing Rosario, Friedrich, and Fowler if I were the Rox, but NOT Matzek. I wouldn’t even be real keen on dealing Rosario, but I guess you gotta do what you gotta do.

grabarkewitz
4 years 10 months ago

If the Royals would go for that deal of Robinson and Gordon for Greinke, I would make it, but several things stand in the way. One, Frank McCourt cannot afford Greinke’s salary and two, with Rafael Furcal and his bad back, we need to keep Gordon around. If I was wearing Ned Colletti’s toupee, I would think that Kemp and either one of these young arms – Rubby De La Rosa, Allen Webster and Aaron Miller might get Dayton Moore interested.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Definetly agree with you.

Matt Kemp and Allen Webster would make me certainly happy.

Guest
4 years 10 months ago

“One, Frank McCourt cannot afford Greinke’s salary”

Yes he can but the Dodgers cannot afford to purge the remaining system and take the contract.

Tko11
4 years 10 months ago

The Rangers gave up their top prospect for Cliff Lee, I would think they go hard after Lee. I cant see them trading more prospects away for a SP.

basemonkey
4 years 10 months ago

Greinke is the most absurd pitcher in the big leagues. He’s like a video game. His fastball is easily mid-90s, sometimes upper. But then he has big loopy breaking balls that go as far down as 65 mph. When he first came up, I saw him throw in the 50s from time to time. He doesn’t get as cute nowadays, but he’s frustrating and confusing for batters.

mikeclyne
4 years 10 months ago

I totally agree. I saw him pitch in a AA or AAA All Star game in Rancho Cucumungo and he was awesome there too. He only pitched a little, but dang you could tell he was heads and shoulders above just about anyone there…

Ian_Smell
4 years 10 months ago

You should see him in MVP Baseball 2005. He has a mid 90s fastball with a 58 mph curve. It’s ridiculous.

Koby2
4 years 10 months ago

The scary thing is, he had a curve just like that when he came up (different from his curve now), but one of the pitching coaches back then (there was like 5 in two years before McClure got here) told him not to pitch it anymore.

jwredsox
4 years 10 months ago

Greatest baseball videogame. And Jake Peavy was straightup filthy in that game too with his hard slider, 4seam FB, nasty 2 seamer, and low 70s curve.

BentoBox
4 years 10 months ago

Beckett too. MLB The Show is a great baseball video game too.

basemonkey
4 years 10 months ago

One bone to pick though:

That link for Greinke’s lively fastball has nothing to do with movement on the fastball. It’s only about velocity. He throws hard, sure. But you were talking about life.

BillB325
4 years 10 months ago

Hey being a Cubs fan does anyone know what kind of package they would put together? I was thinking something along the lines of a Lee, J.Jackson,Wells , Cashner, and possibly a throw in like McNutt to grab someone else from them.
Please give your opinoin I`m stuck on this one.

Potrzeba
4 years 10 months ago

Try with Castro or colvin as ur center piece.

BillB325
4 years 10 months ago

completley forgot about Colvin thanks, so a Colvin, J.Jackson, Lee, Guyer?

Potrzeba
4 years 10 months ago

That may work. They would probs want one of ur rookie relife pithers. Or it may be cheaper just to give up Castro and one or two other prospects. I doubt they would move Castro though.

Ferrariman
4 years 10 months ago

Castro has more value than Grienke…. 20yr old shortstop that batted over .300 in his first pro season don’t grow on trees. Not to say that aces are always available either, but Castro-types almost never ever show up. In fact, i can’t think of the last time it did happen. Perhaps Elvis Andrus in the Teixeria deal, but he wasn’t the centerpiece and had no mlb experience.

TapDancingTeddy
4 years 10 months ago

The question is who has the prospects to bring back either Greinke and Soria. The NYY have Ivan Nova, Eduardo Nunez, Jesus Montero. They might be willing to add in Joba Chamberlain if Soria is involved.Gardner and his .380 OBP is not going anywhere, nor is Phil Hughes who might be as good as Greinke next year.So you guys who know your teams, say who your prospects are, and the Royals will probably take the best package. The unfortunate part of this is that the Royals, like the Pirates, are constantly rebuilding to no effect.As much as I like being a Yanks fan, I feel bad for the teams who have low payroll, and none of the smarts of the Tampa Bay Rays.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

I’m telling you, it’s all about Dellin Betances. Put Montero in there as I said and the Royals get more than enough.

TapDancingTeddy
4 years 10 months ago

Betances has only 3 games experience above A ball. But if the Royals want him, and the Yanks think that Greinke will be good in NY, I think they’ll let him go with Montero.

But, should they be set on Cliff Lee, and Lee signs with them, then all their efforts should logically go to Joakim Soria and not Greinke.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

supposedly…But they are the Yankees and they can really have as many good arms as they want.

TapDancingTeddy
4 years 10 months ago

There’s a payroll limit with the Yanks, too. It’s just a way higher limit than for other teams. Adding more than one pitcher will be tough for the Yanks, unless they can also subtract AJ Burnett and his 16 million a year.

But I don’t see anyone taking AJ off the Yankees hands.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Vazquez and others are heading in to FA

TapDancingTeddy
4 years 10 months ago

Taken into account. Vazquez, Nick Johnson, and what we may save on Derek Jeter’s next contract. Likely less than what we would need to pay Cliff Lee.

The rest of the potential losses are either low rent guys or late season acquisitions whose partial salaries don’t mean much.

It’s a squeeze to fit Lee in, and more so if they want to find a catcher or DH for 2011.

4 years 10 months ago

The Yankees actually balked at including Betances in the Lee deal. I’ve also heard Cashman and Damon Oppenheimer talk about Betances. The Yankees are pretty high on this guy. And ZG would never succeed in NY with his disorder.

4 years 10 months ago

Become Royals GM Span. I’ll become Yanks GM, because Cashman would tak that trade. We can haggle over Grienke, but Monty and Betances are our twwo best prospects, and ZG has that disorder that would hopefully keep him out of NY.

4 years 10 months ago

Reds got this one…Cueto, Pick From Yonder Alonso or Juan Francisco, Cozart, Ondrusek, and Pick from Todd Frazier or Dave Sappelt for Greinke and/or Soria

Potrzeba
4 years 10 months ago

Y would the reds trade for grienke? They are stacked with pitching like volquez, cueto, arroyo, wood, Bailey. I even heard a rumor that they may trade volquez. I would say trade some pitching and yondser to the dodgers for Matt kemp. It would probs look like either cueto or volzque and either wood or Bailey and Alonso for kemp and martin. Or like Alonso and volquez for kemp.

4 years 10 months ago

A) That is WAY too much to pay for two years of Greinke before he leaves in FA

B) We are stuck with Coco for 2011 to close

4 years 10 months ago

Greinke is not going to perform well outside of his comfort zone. I believe he is on record as not interested in New York, and I can’t see him going to Chicago either. Start the conversation with Milwaukee, Minnesota, and San Diego … maybe Tampa Bay (he’s from Florida iirc) and he can probably thrive in a second-tier market.

Yankeeboy11
4 years 10 months ago

The yankees wouldn’t trade Montero for Greinke. I think if anything they’ll do something around brackman or w/e. I wouldn’t want Greinke cause I don’t think he’ll do well lol. I wouldn’t mind trading Joba though. I wish they traded him before for Halladay or w/e LOL. They can resign KErry Wood and get that Beniot guy who is a free agent after the season he had with the Rays.

TapDancingTeddy
4 years 10 months ago

They were willing to give up Montero to get Cliff Lee, and Lee could’ve turned out to be only a rental. So I don’t see them eliminating Montero from Greinke trade talks, unless they, like you, just don’t like him. In which case they won’t give up anything of value for him.

I hate the idea of more Kerry Wood. Wood is a walks machine. Only Ian Kinsler’s stupidity saved him from a deadly situation last night. Wood should be gone after this year.

Now check out Joba’s second half numbers, and you’ll see his value. Having a bad first half can happen to anyone. Without Wood (and I dearly hope they are without Wood) the Yanks need to add a reliever, not subtract one.

Yankeeboy11
4 years 10 months ago

A rental really? do you think the yankees would let cliff lee go if they had got him LOL. They know they would and can lock him up thats why they’d give him up. Greinke isn’t a Lee and with that issuse he has I wouldn’t even want him honestly. I don’t think Kerry wood has been that bad. I didnt see him pitch last night though lol wasn’t paying attention that inning.

TapDancingTeddy
4 years 10 months ago

The Yanks lose players, too. In 2003 Clemens and Pettitte walked away; in 2004 Jon Leiber walked away.

At the time those losses were devastating. Clemens and Pettitte weren’t around to stop the 2004 Red Sox, and Leiber’s loss led to the Yankees trying to squeeze the last bits of juice out of Kevin Brown and Jaret Wright.

We sign free agents and we lose them. So Lee might’ve ended up being a rental. But the plus/minus on the balance sheet for having him potentially pitch the team to another World Series title was enough to make the Yanks risk giving up Montero.

MaineSox
4 years 10 months ago

He had essentially said he was going to test free agency after the season no matter who he was traded to. So yeah it would have been a rental and then they would have had to pay for him again in free agency.

4 years 10 months ago

I hope they don’t. Look at Khalil Greene, was a good shortstop for the Padres in a small market place. Then went to St. Louis, a significantly bigger market than San Diego. That’s where his baseball career ended. If the Yankees trade for Grienke, the same thing will happen, and that’s something Cashman has got to take into account. And if SPAN_demonium_is_back responds to this don’t give me any of that “You can only assume, but you never know” stuff. You know damn well it will happen.

Yankeeboy11
4 years 10 months ago

Im sure the Yankees focus on the pitcher after the season is Cliff Lee. I don’t see them going for Greinke anyway.

4 years 10 months ago

Besides the Yankees can have a much younger rotation in a few years with CC, and Lee being the veterans(in a case where the Yanks get Lee)and Hughes, Betances, and Manny Banuelos being the young guns(and A.J. being jettisoned.). Lee should be a top priority anyway, with that, that’s 3 spots taken care of depending on Andy’s choice. Other than that, Adam Warren, Ivan Nova and Joba should fight for rotation spots.

Yankeeboy11
4 years 10 months ago

Yea after the season they have CC/AJ/Hughes locked as starters. I don’t see Andy coming back. So yea Signing Lee we’ll have 4 starters and then they’ll have Jobe be the 5th or Nova or sign someone like Lilly or Webb.

BWOzar
4 years 10 months ago

Let’s not compare Zack Greinke to Khalil Greene. Greinke won a Cy Young Award. Greene was a mediocre player for San Diego, in only 2 of his 6 seasons did he have an OBP over .300. How about this, find some actual EVIDENCE (not guesses) that show ANY proof whatsoever that Greinke can’t pitch in a big market. I’ll wait (and I’ll be waiting for a long long time because there isn’t any evidence whatsoever)… Greinke is a fantastic pitcher and will be a fantastic pitcher anywhere.

4 years 10 months ago

In San Diego, as long as you have 25 HR, doesen’t matter if you have a low OBP, judging by their offense the last couple years. And I wasn’t even comparing them. That social anxiety disorder is a red flag.

BWOzar
4 years 10 months ago

Khalil Greene hit more than 15 home runs only once in his career. Also, I’m pretty sure a post saying how Khalil Greene couldn’t handle a bigger market thus Greinke can’t handle NY is comparing them. Why is the social anxiety disorder an issue? I’m not a doctor, and I doubt you are, and for either of us to guess about how it will impact Greinke is a foolish endeavor.

BWOzar
4 years 10 months ago

I should also point out that Joey Votto has done pretty damn well for himself in a pennant race despite his own depression/social anxiety issues.

4 years 10 months ago

I’m Surprised that Toronto Hasn’t come up yet. They have stated publicly that they are willing to trade top prospects, could use a “true ace” and Greinke would still be away from “the big spotlight”

They would probably have to trade Drabek and Stewart, and likely another prospect, but I think it would be a deal that would work for both teams, and for Greinke as well…

dizzle4
4 years 10 months ago

I thought of the Jays, I just figure that if they’re going to make a big splash, it wouldn’t be for pitching, where they’re already overloaded. I get the idea of trading two unproven guys in Drabek and Stewart for one proven guy in Greinke, but if you’re going to trade them both, why not land a star first basemen or right fielder or something, as the pitching should be good regardless.

4 years 10 months ago

The jays could use a Prince Fielder, I agree – but they could also use a big arm like Greinke. Drabek and Stewart seem like younger versions of what the jays already have #2/3 guys fighting to be #1 (I guess I should add the caveat: plus Morrow’s ace potential). At least that’s how i see it.
I like Greinke quite a bit and think he’d be a nice fit in toronto, but my impression is that AA wants to bring in more “hard nose” players – not the impression ZG gives me…so who knows? What do i know?

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 10 months ago

I’d stay away from Greinke. Aside from his amazing 2009 season, he’s been nothing but an above average #2 starter and the Jays have enough of those.

It would take something like Drabek + Snider and that’s just detrimental to the Jays. I’d inquire, and ultimitely pass.

RoyalBlue
4 years 10 months ago

Your a foo!l Zack is an ACE and one of the best pitchers in baseball…Put him on a team that can get him some run support and he will 20 or more…he had an avg. year because he is tired of going out there knowing even if he holds the other team to one run he still is not going to get a win…

Potrzeba
4 years 10 months ago

And cecil.

rzepczynski
4 years 10 months ago

Drabek and stewart? span says montero plus….
dont people remember what halladay got in trade?
grienke got one more year left in his contract but its still a pricy contract….
grienke coming off a so-so year at 2 year 27…. i think Doc had better value with one year left coming off doc being doc for 6-7 straight years

Threat_Level_RedSox
4 years 10 months ago

I imagine they jays would stay out of it. 2 years of Grienke over the 8+ of Drabek and Stewart looks worse considering they are playeing in the AL east, they did finish with 85 wins but i doubt Greinke would close the 10 win gap they need to just copete for a playoff spot.

Lloyd Parsons
4 years 10 months ago

Also remember the jays were scouting the Royals at the end of the season, coincidentally the games Greinke was pitching; They want two pitchers in return in a trade, in which we have a plethora of.

4 years 10 months ago

I would think every team will take a look at Greinke if it become obvious that the Royals want to move him. Listening to offers is different though, basically they’re saying they need to be bowled to move him since they don’t have to trade him now. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Cubs take a look, maybe guys like Jackson, Archer, Carpenter, Lee (not all of them) would be considered by the Royals. What do the Royals need most in their farm system? I’d think the Cubs could afford to part with Lee and a couple of the young pitchers, plus fill out a trade with lesser prospects. Maybe that wouldn’t be enough for the Royals. I’d like to see the Cubs hold on to Brett Jackson, he’s going to be necessary for them as Soriano and Byrd age, Fukudome leaves and if Colvin doesn’t improve his .OBP. The Cubs system isn’t great but it’s good enough and deep enough to pull off a trade for Greinke.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 10 months ago

As soon as I saw the headline of this post I wanted to immediately send out a request of “Please don’t include the Yankees in any trade scenario for Greinke”……and then I saw this:

“I bet the Yankees get into this one, maybe a trade like Phil huges, chamberlian, Gardner, montero for grienke and soria”.

Look Greinke is a great pitcher but let’s really keep things in perspect. He’s had 1 really outstanding year in 2009. He had one decent year in 2008. He had one ok year in 2010. However, look at the regression he had in 210.

He had comparable IP in 2009 (229) and 2010 (220). In 2010 he had a 4.17 ERA (2.00 runs above 2009), 181 ko (down 61 from 2009) and all the other numbers were slightly or dramaticaly worse than in 2009 (KO/9, H/9 and BB/KO ratio.

He certainly is still a good pitcher, but is he still elite?

His 1st half/2nd half splits are alarming:

-3.71 ERA to 4.72 ERA
-1.16 whip to 1.34 whip
-4.59 KO/BB rate to 2.42 KO/BB rate

Oddly enough he gave up twice as many HRS in the 1st half than the 2nd but still had a higher ERA in the 2nd half.

In 2010 he did NOT face the Yankees at all in 2010. He was great against the Rays (1.80 ERA in 15 IP) and ok against the Red Sox (3.55 in 12 IP). However, he was rocked against several AL Central teams.

Indians (5.32 ERA in 23.2 IP)
Tigers (4.91 ERA in 18.1 IP)
Twins (8.18 ERA in 22 IP)
W. Sox (4.50 ERA in 16 IP)

That a total of 13 starts vs AL Central teams and you really have to wonder if the familiarity of his AL Central teams has caught up with him?

I think some of the proposed trade proposals were completely crazy but I do agree that any trade for Greinke will probably cost something along the lines of Jesus Montero, Joba Chamberlain, Dellin Betances and maybe a lesser prospect. That’s a whole lot to pay for a guy w/ 1 elite year in the past 3 years, a well publicized anxiety disorder, and who is owed 2/$27 mil?

That, IMO, is way too much to give up for someone you know is going to be a HUGE question mark under the bright lights and intense media of NY. Greinke himself I think said he wouldn’t want to play in a city like NY.

A team like the Nationals who said they are ready to spend big might be a good place for him though.

RoyalBlue
4 years 10 months ago

Greinke is one of the best out there… He is just tired of playing for a team who gives him no run support…Have you ever been on a losing team for while because I have and I know that when we were always losing I just got fed up with it all… Put Zack on a team that gets him some run support and a team that knows how to win and see what happens…

TapDancingTeddy
4 years 10 months ago

Thanks for the great post YanksFanSince78. I like the fact that you looked up facts. And I agree that anyone trading for Greinke would have to be careful what they gave up and what expectations they had.On the other side of ZG’s potential mediocrity is that his numbers against the Red Sox and Rays show he can perform at the highest levels, and see RoyalBlue’s comments above.As for the anxiety disorder, I’m no psychologist, but I think only a psychologist can have an opinion about Greinke’s disorder and bright lights. A couple of catchers have had to quit because they couldn’t throw the ball back to the mound. But that had nothing to do with the city in which they were trying to throw.Just as it is possible that ZG would melt down in NY, it is possible that the external environment is no factor whatsoever. Only an expert could say which is likely, and anyone trading for Greinke is going to insist on having experts examine his records first.

myname_989
4 years 10 months ago

Still can’t see any market with an over the top, passionate fan base and high media coverage taking a chance on Greinke. Trading top prospects would be far too much of a risk for teams like the Phillies, Mets, Yankees, Red Sox, etc. to take a risk. He needs to go somewhere he feels comfortable, and that’s why St. Louis makes the most sense in my mind.

Just for the lol’s, can you imagine a deal centered around Albert Pujols and Zack Greinke / Joakim Soria swapping places? That would be insane.

Revive85
4 years 10 months ago

The Royals have no interest in Montero.
Why would they? They already are loaded with 1B prospects (which is what Montero is supposed to translate too in the Bigs). Even if he sticks at catcher the Royals already have Myers who is supposed to be a Brian McCann type player in a few years. I doubt the Yanks get Greinke unless the offer Hughes, which won’t happen. Zack will not be in the Bronx as a Yankee….ever.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 10 months ago

pssssst- There’sa thing called a DH.

I hope the Yanks aren’t looking at Greinke for reasons I’ve stated but if Montero + others were put on the table I can’t see the Royals saying no to him. Deal may have to be tweeked but I’m sure Montero would center the deal. Can’t see Hughes being in a deal though. The idea is to improve the 5 man rotation not simply upgrade one spot. So far for 2011 and 2012 the Yanks have CC, AJ and Hughes under contract/control. They want to add to it which would be the point of acquiring Greinke. Add to it and push Hughes and AJ further down the depth chart. REgardless, it’s probably a moot point and I would put it at less than a 15% chance of happening.

Revive85
4 years 10 months ago

Believe me, I know all about the DH. The Royals have had a logjam at 1B/DH for the last few seasons. With Butler and Kia still under contract and in the bigs, plus Hosmer (who hopefully can learn OF) and Clint Robinson, even though he isn’t an every day player, in the minors both projected at 1B, I don’t see the Royals trading their best player (and biggest trading chip) for a position that the organization is already loaded at.

4 years 10 months ago

The Royals have a ton of DH types. The Yankees could look at it to improve the rotation for years to come, but that anxiety disorder is a red flag. Montero could stay at Catcher for a year or two, just not stay there. He could also learn to play 1st to give Tex a day off.

4 years 10 months ago

Hopefully. Whatever is needed to keep our top prospects in NY.

Revive85
4 years 10 months ago

I bet the Royals keep Zack for 2011 mostly to see how all of our prospects do with another year in the minors to marinate. Keep in mind, KC’s talent is all very young (thanks to GMDM drafting top HS talent in the early rounds the last few years). It’s easy to call a 20-21 year old a top prospect but we really don’t know exactly what to expect until a few years down the line: hence – keeping Greinke another year.

bbxxj
4 years 10 months ago

Greinke and Butler for Perez, Scheppers, Chris Davis and Beltre.

Texas gets their young workhorse ace (who I think they would extend further than two years) and a very good 1B/DH who is right handed like they desire. I think Texas is aggresive enough with enough money to make it work and low key enough for Greinke to do well.

KC would simply add to their already crazy good farm.

4 years 10 months ago

Grienke would fit perfectly in Texas. It’s a family atmosphere there, and I think Jon Daniels, Nolan Ryan, and Chuck Greenberg could handle him well. I don’t know about Engel Beltre though. This guy has a Beltran ceiling, and someone like David Murphy could become good trade bait because of his strong year wih the bat.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
4 years 10 months ago

Oh, please, Jed, pick up the phone. Greinke in San Diego would be fantastic! A youngish veteran to front the staff in a nice climate with respectful fans and a youngish, very communicative manager and pitching coach-how could he not work out in San Diego?

The Royals say they are “listening” which doesn’t necessarily mean they are “dealing.”

4 years 10 months ago

That will take them Castro, Tate, B prospect, and someone on the big league level(San Diego doesent have a strong farm system).

dickylarue
4 years 10 months ago

I can see Texas going after him aggressively if they lose Cliff Lee.

Don’t see the Yankees paying the price in prospects for him because of the social anxiety disorder. They already had one Ed Whitson. They don’t want another.

If KC would take Mets prospects, the Mets would give them anything they wanted for him though. I could totally see them discount the anxiety issue.

The trade that could be interesting is Greinke & Dejesus for Rasmus and prospects.