Votto Unsure Of Interest In Long-Term Deal

Over the past few seasons, Joey Votto has built up a reputation as one of the National League's best hitters. This season, he's exploded for a .323/.423/.598 slash line with 37 home runs, carrying the Reds to the postseason for the first time in 15 years. He's a frontrunner for the NL MVP award, but according the Cincinnati Enquirer's John Fay, the Reds' superstar "doesn't know" if he's interested in signing a long-term deal.

The club has yet to approach Votto about an extension. And, while Votto may be uncertain for the time being about the prospect of a long-term deal, let's look at his situation a little more in-depth.

Votto will be arbitration eligible for the first time this offseason, and as Fay points out, an MVP trophy (or even a runner-up finish) certainly looks nice in arbitration hearings. Ryan Howard won his case and was awarded a $10MM salary following his MVP season, though he had a Rookie of the Year trophy to his name (Votto finished second in 2008) and gaudier HR and RBI totals. Fellow Canadian and 2006 AL MVP Justin Morneau had more similar numbers in his MVP season and signed for $4.5MM in his first year of arbitration, following that MVP effort.

The second time around, Howard inked a three-year deal worth $54MM rather than going through arbitration again. Morneau, who had a down year in 2007, avoided arbitration and signed for $7.4MM in his second year before erasing that deal and agreeing to a six-year, $80MM contract prior to the 2008 season. Votto could fit somewhere between the two MVP first basemen in terms of both years and dollars. As MLBTR's Ben Nicholson-Smith pointed out in examining Votto's extension candidacy in late August, the next three years could cost the Reds in the neighborhood of $30MM one way or another.

Votto's tear has continued since then, however, and in his article, Fay suggests Votto will submit a $10MM figure in arbitration this offseason. If that ends up being the case, Votto's arbitration years could cost in the neighborhood of $35MM or more.

There's no way to accurately predict the value of a contract for Votto, but contracts of some of his peers suggest that signing for five years at $15MM-$16MM per season might be fair for both sides. That would all depend though, on Votto's decision between signing or going year-to-year and hitting free agency at age 30. If that's the route he chooses, he could be in line for a mammoth Mark Teixeira-type contract on the open market.


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Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I bet Votto would think differently if the Reds threw $20MM at his face.

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dizzle4
4 years 9 months ago

Toronto would explode if he somehow ever came to play here.

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

That would be awesome, if he ever played for the Jays.

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

That would be awesome, if he ever played for the Jays.

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4 years 9 months ago

As a Reds fan, I want Votto to stay for his entire career, but he did mention how nice it was to play a game and then have dinner at home with his family in Toronto after the WBC games so I know he would definitely consider signing with Toronto. With that said if he is going to leave us we better get a king’s ransom in a trade rather than let him walk in FA in 3 years.

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4 years 9 months ago

As a Reds fan, I want Votto to stay for his entire career, but he did mention how nice it was to play a game and then have dinner at home with his family in Toronto after the WBC games so I know he would definitely consider signing with Toronto. With that said if he is going to leave us we better get a king’s ransom in a trade rather than let him walk in FA in 3 years.

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Ethanator99
4 years 9 months ago

I agree. The old Teixera to Atlanta trick

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dizzle4
4 years 9 months ago

I can sort of see that as a possibility. Say the Reds have a down-year in 2011, while the Jays keep improving – would the Reds consider moving Votto after the 2011 season before his salary gets crazy? It’s hard to predict what the Jays farm system will look like a year from now, but with the way its built, you have to imagine they would have at least 2 or 3 really good pitching prospects they can make expendable in trade, which is probably Cincinnati’s weakness.

Anthopoulos has said all along that when the Jays are in a position to compete, they’ll be willing to trade the prospects and/or pay the money for difference making players, and no one in this city would fit that bill better than Votto.

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4 years 9 months ago

If we still have Alonso around they would have to at least consider the situation. Cincinnati is actually pretty strong in pitching prospects but you can never have too many. I would think they would ask for a sure thing SS prospect, a top OF prospect for LF before discussing pitching prospects based on our needs as of now.

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4 years 9 months ago

If we still have Alonso around they would have to at least consider the situation. Cincinnati is actually pretty strong in pitching prospects but you can never have too many. I would think they would ask for a sure thing SS prospect, a top OF prospect for LF before discussing pitching prospects based on our needs as of now.

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

The Jays should not be moving any of their prospects though.

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dizzle4
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t have much problem with it, if it’s the right player. They’ve got pitching excess that they’re going to need to do something with. I wouldn’t want them to trade a bunch for a rental (ie. going after Prince Fielder this off-season), but for a guy like Votto, who they could get for two years if they traded for after the 2011 season, and who you would have to imagine has a chance to re-sign here, I’d probably be okay with it.

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I hear you. We’ll see what happens, but don’t get me wrong, I love the idea of Votto on the Jays

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I hear you. We’ll see what happens, but don’t get me wrong, I love the idea of Votto on the Jays

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Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Depends on who it is and when. I’m sure Jays will have another strong draft and I think even more money will be spent on the next one as it’s a very strong draft and considering how many solid prospects we have in A-ball, you have to consider the situation especially if a guy like Votto becomes available next season (assuming the above circumstances).

Lol maybe we can send them back Stewart if Drabek makes our rotation full-time. Drabek, D’Arnaud, Perez and perhaps Gose are the only prospects I would hesitate trading but even for a guy like Votto, I think I would be willing to trade any except Drabek. I just love the guy way too much.

We would have some pretty bad ass lefties if Votto came here: Lind (09), Votto, and Snider’s potential is huge.

Just curious but would you guys consider Votto as a franchise player? I think the Jays really need a new franchise player.

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I think there is still a zero chance that Votto becomes available until he hits his final year of arbitration. We have 25 franchise players on our team.

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4 years 9 months ago

In all honesty Votto isn’t going anywhere. Walt worked out a 7 year 100mil deal with pujols when he was GM of the cards and I fully expect the same when dealing with votto’s contract status.

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dizzle4
4 years 9 months ago

Votto in Toronto would definitely be that “franchise” “cornerstone” player. Depending on how much service time you get him with, the negotiation window, etc., would all change the package I’d be willing to give up. Assuming the time-period we discussed elsewhere in this thread, where the Jays would get two years of service time from him – I’d be problaby willing to give up Stewart, Perez and Gose. Obviously, this a year down the road, so who knows the values of these guys, who else has stepped up, etc., but if you asked me today what I’d give up for two years of Votto, I think I’d be fine with that package. It’s a lot, sure – but we used to give other fans on here hell for trying to come up with “low-ball” packages for Halladay, so we have to be willing to give up close to as much if we want a player like Votto.

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Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Depends on who it is and when. I’m sure Jays will have another strong draft and I think even more money will be spent on the next one as it’s a very strong draft and considering how many solid prospects we have in A-ball, you have to consider the situation especially if a guy like Votto becomes available next season (assuming the above circumstances).

Lol maybe we can send them back Stewart if Drabek makes our rotation full-time. Drabek, D’Arnaud, Perez and perhaps Gose are the only prospects I would hesitate trading but even for a guy like Votto, I think I would be willing to trade any except Drabek. I just love the guy way too much.

We would have some pretty bad ass lefties if Votto came here: Lind (09), Votto, and Snider’s potential is huge.

Just curious but would you guys consider Votto as a franchise player? I think the Jays really need a new franchise player.

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dizzle4
4 years 9 months ago

I can sort of see that as a possibility. Say the Reds have a down-year in 2011, while the Jays keep improving – would the Reds consider moving Votto after the 2011 season before his salary gets crazy? It’s hard to predict what the Jays farm system will look like a year from now, but with the way its built, you have to imagine they would have at least 2 or 3 really good pitching prospects they can make expendable in trade, which is probably Cincinnati’s weakness.

Anthopoulos has said all along that when the Jays are in a position to compete, they’ll be willing to trade the prospects and/or pay the money for difference making players, and no one in this city would fit that bill better than Votto.

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

So then if thats the case then why wouldn’t he sign with the Jays after he hits Free Agency?

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dizzle4
4 years 9 months ago

No one’s saying he wouldn’t, but that’s not until 2014, at the earliest.

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4 years 9 months ago

That too haha

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4 years 9 months ago

That too haha

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4 years 9 months ago

He would consider it but by the way the Yankees, Red Sox, and some of the other big market teams spend, you better get him while you can and make him fall in love with playing “at home” before he hits FA. Players love being home but they love money a lot more (at least from what we have seen so far). Toronto would need every edge it could get to sign this guy.

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dizzle4
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, I would agree. The Jays would definitely have a better shot at grabbing him through trade rather than free agency.

On that note, Anthopoulos has said before that he much prefers to acquire guys by trade rather than free agency also, which adds to that as the more likely outcome (of all of these highly unlikely scenarios!)

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dizzle4
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, I would agree. The Jays would definitely have a better shot at grabbing him through trade rather than free agency.

On that note, Anthopoulos has said before that he much prefers to acquire guys by trade rather than free agency also, which adds to that as the more likely outcome (of all of these highly unlikely scenarios!)

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Well he already has home, as a place where it would be attractive to go

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Well he already has home, as a place where it would be attractive to go

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4 years 9 months ago

Toronto could throw $15 million a year his way without hesitating…

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4 years 9 months ago

If that’s all it took he would be in Cincinnati for the next 10 years. Better make it closer to $20+

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4 years 9 months ago

no chance he makes $20+… but Im not sure if you have heard of Rogers.. the multi-billionaire owner of the jays that makes Bill Gates look like a bum

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4 years 9 months ago

The Reds have a billionaire owner in their ownership group as well and it doesn’t matter. Why aren’t the Jays spending like the Yanks then? Once he hits FA in 3 years and he continues his production (top 3 in 5 major offensive categories), no way he makes less than $20mil.

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dizzle4
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, Rogers as a company has a lot of money, but they’re giant assholes. I wouldn’t count on them forking over the money as much as they say they will. I think they’d spend on a guy like Votto, but that’s almost as much about marketing as anything.

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4 years 9 months ago

True canadian hero on a canadian team=match made in heaven. Will they trade for Jason Bay too? That would definitely put more butts in the seats.

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dizzle4
4 years 9 months ago

Well, I don’t think you wanna go crazy and overload on every “star” Canadian in the league. I think Votto is in a pretty different league than Bay.

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4 years 9 months ago

Ok how about adding Morneau? (I’m only kidding here)

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4 years 9 months ago

True canadian hero on a canadian team=match made in heaven. Will they trade for Jason Bay too? That would definitely put more butts in the seats.

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dizzle4
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, Rogers as a company has a lot of money, but they’re giant assholes. I wouldn’t count on them forking over the money as much as they say they will. I think they’d spend on a guy like Votto, but that’s almost as much about marketing as anything.

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4 years 9 months ago

The Reds have a billionaire owner in their ownership group as well and it doesn’t matter. Why aren’t the Jays spending like the Yanks then? Once he hits FA in 3 years and he continues his production (top 3 in 5 major offensive categories), no way he makes less than $20mil.

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The_BiRDS
4 years 9 months ago

Im gonna go ahead and call shenanigans on that one buddy… dont know if you know but Bill Gates is worth over 55+ Billion.. that would make him a multi-multi billionaire.

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4 years 9 months ago

True story

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4 years 9 months ago

True story

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The_BiRDS
4 years 9 months ago

Im gonna go ahead and call shenanigans on that one buddy… dont know if you know but Bill Gates is worth over 55+ Billion.. that would make him a multi-multi billionaire.

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4 years 9 months ago

no chance he makes $20+… but Im not sure if you have heard of Rogers.. the multi-billionaire owner of the jays that makes Bill Gates look like a bum

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4 years 9 months ago

If that’s all it took he would be in Cincinnati for the next 10 years. Better make it closer to $20+

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4 years 9 months ago

Unfortunately, the Red Sox and Yankees probably could as well. I’d love to see him stay in Cincinnati for several years to come, but if he had to go, I’d rather see him in a place like Toronto rather than Boston or New York.

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nathanalext
4 years 9 months ago

If there is any other team I’d see him on besides the Reds’ it’d be Toronto.. With as little as anyone knows about the guy, it seems like it would be more fitting of his personality as opposed to Boston/NY. I think Boston/NY are too big for him. He can’t stand the spotlight, which in either of those two teams, he would be in daily.

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4 years 9 months ago

Unfortunately, the Red Sox and Yankees probably could as well. I’d love to see him stay in Cincinnati for several years to come, but if he had to go, I’d rather see him in a place like Toronto rather than Boston or New York.

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4 years 9 months ago

Toronto could throw $15 million a year his way without hesitating…

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4 years 9 months ago

He would consider it but by the way the Yankees, Red Sox, and some of the other big market teams spend, you better get him while you can and make him fall in love with playing “at home” before he hits FA. Players love being home but they love money a lot more (at least from what we have seen so far). Toronto would need every edge it could get to sign this guy.

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The_BiRDS
4 years 9 months ago

Hahaha I don’t blame him.. he’s welcome to come play 3rd for the Cardinals if he likes

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4 years 9 months ago

You can pay him with monopoly money

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syphercx
4 years 9 months ago

Why do you assume the Cardinals have no money? Have you seen their attendance and tv/radio ratings? I would assume they have quite a bit more cash than most realize. Votto playing 3rd is not a realistic statement, but the cards not having money is also invalid.

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4 years 9 months ago

I don’t assume they have no money I’m stating they have a very large percentage of their payroll locked up in 4-5 guys and adding a player who will make around 10 mil very soon is not financially feasible. Plus, it was a joke.

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The_BiRDS
4 years 9 months ago

I think Brian is Bill DeWitts personal accountant.

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4 years 9 months ago

It would be a sweet gig

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syphercx
4 years 9 months ago

Why do you assume the Cardinals have no money? Have you seen their attendance and tv/radio ratings? I would assume they have quite a bit more cash than most realize. Votto playing 3rd is not a realistic statement, but the cards not having money is also invalid.

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The_BiRDS
4 years 9 months ago

Thats what he’s getting paid in now right?

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4 years 9 months ago

That’s all you will have left after paying Holliday, Pujols (after his extension), Carpenter, and Wainwright for the next 5 or so years

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catch21_2
4 years 9 months ago

Carp’s deal is up after next year and is due for a big pay cut. Lohse’s $10mil+ will also be off the books in two seasons…

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4 years 9 months ago

Carp is still producing I don’t see a big pay cut there but Lohse for $10+? I feel sorry for you that stinks

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The_BiRDS
4 years 9 months ago

Ya Lohse for 10+ is killing us

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catch21_2
4 years 9 months ago

Carp’s deal is up after next year and is due for a big pay cut. Lohse’s $10mil+ will also be off the books in two seasons…

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The_BiRDS
4 years 9 months ago

We got more out of Holliday than we expected this year.. for what Holliday did this season, it turns out Cards got more than they bargained for. Pujols will stay and trust me he and the front office will work something out in the off season and I honestly think it will shock the baseball world for what will sign him at…Carp, even if we resign him will take a huge paycut (not exactly at his prime anymore) and we dont have to worry about Waino for a few years.. but congrats to the reds for doing their job this year… Only took them 15 years.

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4 years 9 months ago

Best idea I have heard so far is to sign him to a life time contract for $5 mil a year until he AND his wife pass away. John Kruk from baseball tonight idea.

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The_BiRDS
4 years 9 months ago

We got more out of Holliday than we expected this year.. for what Holliday did this season, it turns out Cards got more than they bargained for. Pujols will stay and trust me he and the front office will work something out in the off season and I honestly think it will shock the baseball world for what will sign him at…Carp, even if we resign him will take a huge paycut (not exactly at his prime anymore) and we dont have to worry about Waino for a few years.. but congrats to the reds for doing their job this year… Only took them 15 years.

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4 years 9 months ago

I think that joke might have gone over your head.

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The_BiRDS
4 years 9 months ago

Na were on the same page.. where are you?

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The_BiRDS
4 years 9 months ago

Na were on the same page.. where are you?

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4 years 9 months ago

I think that joke might have gone over your head.

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The_BiRDS
4 years 9 months ago

Thats what he’s getting paid in now right?

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4 years 9 months ago

You can pay him with monopoly money

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Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

your greed disgusts me.

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The_BiRDS
4 years 9 months ago

aww Im sorry buddy

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Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

your greed disgusts me.

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4 years 9 months ago

Votto saying “he doesn’t know” does not mean he isn’t interested. The Reds players have been noticeably irritated by the local media which sadly consists of guys who can’t get reporting jobs elsewhere. Sometimes they give them a blow off answer. Votto very well may not be interested in a long term deal, but his comments to John Fay won’t really be an indication.

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4 years 9 months ago

Only one I have noticed is Brandon Phillips being irritated to the point where he won’t even talk to Fay, but I haven’t noticed anyone else. They all seem friendly for what I have seen so far. You know of any other instances?

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4 years 9 months ago

Rolen has been noticeably irritated by the repeated “veteran leadership” questions as well as some of the younger players. It was a good question at the beggining of the season but you can’t get through a post game interview without seeing it asked. After the playoff clinch I believe I heard Jeff Pecoro(spelling?) ask it 8 times.

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4 years 9 months ago

Votto saying “he doesn’t know” does not mean he isn’t interested. The Reds players have been noticeably irritated by the local media which sadly consists of guys who can’t get reporting jobs elsewhere. Sometimes they give them a blow off answer. Votto very well may not be interested in a long term deal, but his comments to John Fay won’t really be an indication.